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Topic Started: Feb 16 2016, 01:34 PM (435 Views)
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Regarding the FCFF mini league, not the main Futera league how is everyone getting on with setting auto games?

Are you still struggling to get games even if trying on Saturday morning when it's busiest?

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I set my team to auto play on Friday night, Saturday morning and found that when I logged in at about 0900 on Saturday morning I had still not played any games.

However most of the non auto play teams are using a chat room on Facebook to play. So far we have, The Mighty Mr Men, Betta FC, IMLMM5566, KG's Swans, Juventus FC, The Mythical Carcosa, Permata Depok and Indonesian League (I think that is everyone). It is just a case of playing as many games against the auto play teams as we can then just posting something like "available" and playing any non auto team that is available. As long as there is some time dedicated on a Saturday we are mostly able to play 50 games each week.
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Just looking at the league table it seems there are around 7/8 teams at the bottom that haven`t played many games at all .... don`t know who they are .. but are they set to auto play ?? .. if so when did they set their auto play up .. if they set it up Friday night/early Saturday morning then they are very hard done to.

As usual my games each week are a mixture of auto play and manual play .. I would hate to have to rely on just auto play to get my games done.

The auto play system clearly doesn`t work as it should from what people are saying .. so why is it still an option ????

Whilst the matchroom leaves things more open to unsporting play by certain teams at least this way people can get their games played .. and if futera were to properly police things and actually ban the teams that cheat/play in an unsporting manner then this would eradicate this behaviour.
None of this give them a slap on the wrist and tell them not to do it again .. just block access to their team for say 1 month for a 1st offence .. if then when they return to play they do the same thing again .. then for a 2nd offence say a 3 month ban .. if on their return to playing they do the same again.. then a total ban .. 3 strikes and your out.
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Just looking at the league table it seems there are around 7/8 teams at the bottom that haven`t played many games at all .... don`t know who they are .. but are they set to auto play ?? .. if so when did they set their auto play up .. if they set it up Friday night/early Saturday morning then they are very hard done to.

As usual my games each week are a mixture of auto play and manual play .. I would hate to have to rely on just auto play to get my games done.

The auto play system clearly doesn`t work as it should from what people are saying .. so why is it still an option ????

Whilst the matchroom leaves things more open to unsporting play by certain teams at least this way people can get their games played .. and if futera were to properly police things and actually ban the teams that cheat/play in an unsporting manner then this would eradicate this behaviour.
None of this give them a slap on the wrist and tell them not to do it again .. just block access to their team for say 1 month for a 1st offence .. if then when they return to play they do the same thing again .. then for a 2nd offence say a 3 month ban .. if on their return to playing they do the same again.. then a total ban .. 3 strikes and your out.
If the matchroom was set so no one could turn down games and had to play whoever asked them whilst they were in the matchroom then there would be less chance of cheating. That is my opinion. I agree with Gary that Futera should be able to police the game better and come down hard on people who are proven to be cheating. The 3 strikes and you are out is a very good rule.
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Feb 17 2016, 11:19 AM
Just looking at the league table it seems there are around 7/8 teams at the bottom that haven`t played many games at all .... don`t know who they are .. but are they set to auto play ?? .. if so when did they set their auto play up .. if they set it up Friday night/early Saturday morning then they are very hard done to.

As usual my games each week are a mixture of auto play and manual play .. I would hate to have to rely on just auto play to get my games done.

The auto play system clearly doesn`t work as it should from what people are saying .. so why is it still an option ????

Whilst the matchroom leaves things more open to unsporting play by certain teams at least this way people can get their games played .. and if futera were to properly police things and actually ban the teams that cheat/play in an unsporting manner then this would eradicate this behaviour.
None of this give them a slap on the wrist and tell them not to do it again .. just block access to their team for say 1 month for a 1st offence .. if then when they return to play they do the same thing again .. then for a 2nd offence say a 3 month ban .. if on their return to playing they do the same again.. then a total ban .. 3 strikes and your out.
If the matchroom was set so no one could turn down games and had to play whoever asked them whilst they were in the matchroom then there would be less chance of cheating. That is my opinion. I agree with Gary that Futera should be able to police the game better and come down hard on people who are proven to be cheating. The 3 strikes and you are out is a very good rule.
Cheating was a massive issue in the match room as stated before. Futera and I spent a lot of time dealing with alleged cheating, some well founded other times just hunches and guesses. It was ruining the game completely. I think some are looking back with rose tinted glasses!

It's not just a case of banning teams that cheat, I wish it was that simple. Futera have to be extremely careful when banning teams for cheating as the individual accused may have spent a lot of money on their team, if they are accused of cheating often it was argued that if the game allows it then it is OK, and of course what one country/players would see as clever gameplay another country would see as cheating, this also ignores taking the time to collect incontrovertible evidence of the cheating. So what is cheating? For example Is arranging to play games against some individuals 'forming a cartel' or just planning? Is turning down games against some players cheating or just not playing games when you know 100% you will loose? Unless all cheating forms are identified and agreed up front it's very hard to police.

The idea of the auto games is to take away (as much as possible) the ability of players to setup multiple weak teams and just play them yourself or form cartels where groups of players agree for one player to win each week by fielding week teams. While it might be possible with the new system it is much harder and of course other people will be able to play them. The new system should also randomize who you play so everyone should have equal chance of picking other players whether stronger or weaker.

Perhaps there are tweeks that can be made to the current way the game is working to make it better but I personally would not want to go back to the game room, if I have to start dealing with the constant cheating complaints again I think I'd not bother to run it at all!

If there is a better way than both the current way of running the game selection management and the old game room then fire away with your idea, I'm sure Futera would love to hear it!

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The biggest problem with not having the game room is that it is so hard to get enough games to compete to win the top prizes. If the auto play system worked for everyone, not just 8 teams then I don't think there would be such resistance to it. There is also a belief that the auto play system is causing a lot of the bugs within the game. Games against auto play teams, sometimes don't start, even after the 3 minute countdown and more regularly crash at half time. There is also the problem that the auto play system sometimes throws random teams into games, with strikers in goal and goalkeepers playing as strikers. These have been ongoing glitches since the new game format was started last year.

The auto play system also has the problem that if everyone set their team to auto play on a Friday night, ready for Saturday morning then no games would be played. I believe this is why the game is set as it is with only a limited number of teams able to use it.

I understand that cheating is very hard to prove and are the non auto play teams cheating when we play on the Facebook chat room? I can guarantee that games aren't thrown so one team can win the league one week and others win it another week, a look at the history of the league will testify this as we have only had one winner from the chat room and he wins simply because his team is better than everyone else's, no one refuses games against anyone else, whatever level they are at, so if we can do it then surely with a match room and the ability to never refuse a game everyone else can.

In my opinion a game room without the ability to turn down games is the way forward.

Would other players like to give their opinions on how to improve the game?
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Thanks Rob, some great constructive critiscm.

There is no doubt that we have a lot of good honest players but it must be said the game room made it so easy to cheat it did attract the cheats. Those type no longer play (I believe) as it is now much harder to cheat. I will speak to Futera regarding the glitches. They have made more changes recently but not sure if that has helped.

More similar comments would be appreciated.
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Futera have said that they will be bringing back the match room and the new features will launch after the platinum week that starts this weekend.
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Have read the comments on auto play and here are my thoughts.

I am all for auto play .. why ? cos I think for 1 it means I actually get to play games WITH EVERYONE around the world and not have to stay up into the wee hrs of the morning just to play games. It also allows other players to play me who would not usually have been awake when I am awake. I get to watch the latest Star Wars movie while the auto games are playing cos time difference means The Force Awakens gets released earlier here than other places ard the world :) Auto play now allows an Active Player to play an Auto Player (which should be the case) and not Auto vs Auto. So the current combinations are "Active vs Active" & "Active vs Auto". The problem with Game Room is that I have to be online ... I have to monitor when someone clicks me to play. I am not going to be sitting in the room 24/7 waiting for someone to click me ... I got Facebook post to read :)

If you have a rust-bucket boom-shaker of a car and you upgrade to a flashy sports car but the brakes don't work, do you go back to the rust-bucket ? No .. you fix the brakes ! And that is what Futera needs to do and I think they have been trying their best to fix some of the issues, slow at times but still trying, just that sometimes when they fix the brakes the clutch goes haywire or worst the engine don't start !

There are issues both in the Game Room and Auto Play which Futera needs to look at and fix that allows all teams that have a Auto Play Setup to be able to play other Active Teams. A few things that I like to see are :-

* Able to see my list of last played games like in main league. Now you can't see who you won or lost or drew with.
* A replay of the match where I can select a game and see the match being replayed. (only need to keep last 50 games or the last weeks matches not every single match)
* I like the 4 game limit but having to play 4 games in auto ... hhmmm ... I think if want some human participation where you can only play auto twice might be better. I setup auto and go sleep, all the euro players play me max 2 times. then they go sleep. Gives me the option when I am up to play Active against all the euro players who have set Auto and twice as well. So 4 game limit is still held but YOUR Auto only max 2 out of the 4.
* Fix the substitution of players during half time. Like why is it sometimes able to sub 3 other times 2 and moving a player from left to right should not be a sub.
* Fix the Red/Yellow card issues. Still have red carded players scoring goals !!


well that's my take on the issues .. Keep the Auto Play but fix it properly so everyone can enjoy.
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it is already 2 year and they still didnt know to to fix it.. LoL
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