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| weaver | May 13 2013, 01:45 PM Post #166 |
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At least they muted most of her last scene. |
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| Mariah | May 13 2013, 02:07 PM Post #167 |
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I think we were SUPPOSED to hate that D/s scene, and while I certainly did, it showed Don falling so far down, grasping at any semblance of control, and then? He even lost that. It wasn't supposed to be sexy, it was desperation of an aging man who may have been "the man with the plan" but none of his plans are working out anymore. I love Betty too, even though she is marginal as an actress...it works for that character. I was watching a season 3 episode with commentary, when the grampa dies. The actress playing Sally is really amazing, so intelligent and insightful about her character. Matt asked her why she did one scene at the door after the cop told her mom, and both adults ignored her completely. Matt said something like, "I know I told you to put your head on the door, but I always felt there was more to that scene and somehow your performance made it work. He asked her how she felt with the door closed in her face, and Kiernan replied, "Sally never wanted to go inside." Matt was just dumbfounded and said, "of course, I never thought of that." She is a method actress with a photographic memory--but she's so precocious, just amazing. Her commentary and understanding of the things happening on the show is light years ahead of the actress who plays Betty. I remember one commentary with January and she was in this very moving scene, on the DVD she says, "I never understood those words, or what the whole thing meant." It was pretty basic really...but it's her blankness that made it work, not really skill. I hope to see both of them more, and I'm pretty sure we will. I keep going back to, yes, the episode was disjointed and out of sync, but it seemed intentional to me on retrospect. |
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| WillyWonka | May 13 2013, 02:27 PM Post #168 |
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I think it would be interesting if something happened to Betty and the kids all had to move in with Don, how he would handle that. |
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| Mariah | May 13 2013, 02:31 PM Post #169 |
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I was thinking last night, when he just blacked out Megan (she became like a whaaanh whannnnh cartoon in that scene) that Don just will never be happy. He is SO fucked up. Right now I feel like he wishes he was back with Betty and just able to go get a little on the side easily. Betty was so awful to the kids, basically a child herself as he once told her though. Don's descent into aging and hell just feels so sad and real to me. I still pull for him, but he made that even more difficult last night. |
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| WillyWonka | May 13 2013, 02:43 PM Post #170 |
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Sometimes I feel sorry for him but then sometimes he's just such an ass I figure he's getting what he deserves. |
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| Mariah | May 13 2013, 02:48 PM Post #171 |
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He is so damaged and needy though...poor guy. I know that most of my sympathy is probably because he is pretty hot though. ;) |
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| WillyWonka | May 13 2013, 02:50 PM Post #172 |
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You know what though? It's weird. Don Draper is kinda hot. I don't really think Jon Hamm is. I felt the same way about Kiefer Sutherland when he played Jack on 24. Jack was pretty freaking hot. Kiefer IRL? Not really. |
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| Mariah | May 13 2013, 03:07 PM Post #173 |
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I don't really know Hamm in any other work, and I've never seen him in person, or followed his off screen life, well, except for his huge dick which he apparently prefers to air out rather than confine in underwear. I get what you mean though--the character of Don IS sexy. That combination of confident and decisive and smart with his shadow side of completely messed up and needy, insecure about so much. You just want to hug him and make him all better. Or I do. If he were completely well adjusted, would he be as compelling? Probably not. Really interesting review/recap that caught a lot more than I: http://www.hitfix.com/whats-alan-watching/review-mad-men-man-with-a-plan-this-is-your-captain-speaking And two more: http://www.huffingtonpost.com/maureen-ryan/mad-men-recap-man-with-a-plan_b_3264527.html http://www.vulture.com/2013/05/mad-men-recap-season-6-don-sylvia-hotel-rfk.html Edited by Mariah, May 13 2013, 03:44 PM.
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| cccharley | May 13 2013, 09:27 PM Post #174 |
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Just finished. Don't think Don wants to be back with Betty. I also don't think he was ever the man with a plan. Only plans for ad campaigns or the idea man. He's a lost soul always looking for something or something more. It was funny Peggy telling him off. A bit too big for her britches and acting like Ted's wife. |
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| WillyWonka | May 13 2013, 10:40 PM Post #175 |
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I think that Peggy is one of the few women that Don actually respects so when she tells him off it means something to him. Maybe we weren't supposed to like the whole Don/Sylvia hotel room thing but it was just so 50 Shades. The Good Wife did the same thing with Kalinda and her husband, I guess trying to cash in on the 50 Shades craze, but I hated it there, too. That control stuff does NOT do it for me at all LOL. |
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| Mariah | May 13 2013, 10:48 PM Post #176 |
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That stuff was around long before that stupid 50 Shades. I think it was about loss of control, everything in this episode is spinning wildly out of control for almost all of them. Don couldn't hack it, so tried for some control elsewhere. Who would be "the man with the plan" if not Don? It doesn't mean his plans work, but the whole agency merge was his plan...etc. I figured the show title had to be about Don. |
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| weaver | May 14 2013, 08:27 AM Post #177 |
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In person, Jon Hamm is funny, in fact a bit goofy. So he doesn't come across as suave and handsome. He really speaks very few lines in the show, its all in his face. He can express so much without saying anything. And his voice, has anyone heard the American Airlines and the Mercedes commercials? He is mesmerizing, reminds me of the scene when he read the Carousel commercial. |
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| cccharley | May 14 2013, 10:21 AM Post #178 |
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Love him in person. Oh and thank you Matt Weiner for giving me the song of the week! One of my old favorites. Here you go -Reach out of the darkness - perfect song when you listen to the lyrics! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iSpRpOrVEiA I need to do a mixed tape of this stuff. Now I'm aging myself using the word tape Edited by cccharley, May 14 2013, 10:42 AM.
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| cccharley | May 14 2013, 10:44 AM Post #179 |
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Yes Weaver - I think he should win his Emmy already. He's been so expressive. He's such a sad, conflicted character. Goes back to childhood. I so hope he doesn't kill himself in the end. That would kill me and too obvious. Walking away in the end may a way to end it. Maybe they'll go public and he'll cash out and leave or the exact opposite. He'll become whole -so to speak. Maybe Roger will get him into therapy but that is so passe (sp) Or maybe it will end as it began. Him changing his entire persona into somebody else when he leaves. Shows up somewhere else with a new name, new job etc etc. because you can't escape your past and it keeps coming back to haunt you. This entire episode was a rerun in some ways of things that happened but with changes. Did anyone watch him when he was younger in that LIFETIME show when he was like the only male cop with all the female detectives. I need to look up the name. Edited by cccharley, May 14 2013, 10:55 AM.
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| cccharley | May 14 2013, 10:53 AM Post #180 |
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Mariah - I didn't say he wasn't the man with a plan or that the title didn't refer to him. He may think he has plans but he really doesn't or they don't work out. He isn't a planning character. I don't think he actively has plans ever - the opposite. He makes campaigns off the cuff and everything else. What would his plan have been? He's like a dart throwing guy - toss it and sees where it lands. Even with Sylvia - he tried something and it was a horrific mistake for him. I'm trying to figure out the imagery in the plane scene - well in my mind at least. More to it than one upping. |
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