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Mad Men
Topic Started: Jan 25 2013, 11:26 AM (11,105 Views)
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cccharley
May 14 2013, 10:44 AM
Yes Weaver - I think he should win his Emmy already. He's been so expressive. He's such a sad, conflicted character. Goes back to childhood. I so hope he doesn't kill himself in the end. That would kill me and too obvious. Walking away in the end may a way to end it. Maybe they'll go public and he'll cash out and leave or the exact opposite. He'll become whole -so to speak. Maybe Roger will get him into therapy but that is so passe (sp) Or maybe it will end as it began. Him changing his entire persona into somebody else when he leaves. Shows up somewhere else with a new name, new job etc etc. because you can't escape your past and it keeps coming back to haunt you. This entire episode was a rerun in some ways of things that happened but with changes.

Did anyone watch him when he was younger in that LIFETIME show when he was like the only male cop with all the female detectives. I need to look up the name.
I don't think he'll kill himself. I think it might be a Soprano type ending where we won't necessarily know. He'll leave, and maybe its for a new start, but we know his new starts end up the same, or a new woman, but they don't work out either. He is doomed to be miserable, conflicted, controlling. Maybe we'll just see him in a bar like at the end of last season.

In that scene with Sylvia in the elevator, his facial expression shows everything and he says nothing. I do think he is a brilliant actor.

He did a comic turn on 30 Rock and he was pretty good in that too. Boyfriend of Liz Lemon.

I always want them to use Springsteen's song, "Brilliant Disguise" in a show, but I guess it's an 80's song, so Weiner wouldn't use it.



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Agree, he's a wonderful actor.

I don't know how it will end either, although last night Bob looked SO much like a younger, fresher Don--especially in one scene where they went from Don's profile to Bob's. Bob already reminded me of Don, how he was so eager to join the firm, like a puppy really, nearly begging Roger. Bob's our puppy now, just as ambitious as Don, and almost as charming as Don can be.

So, this flash came over me, and if they really do end the show next year, I thought of a way they might end it. I have no idea what happens to Don, maybe dead, maybe hitting the road, maybe living his miserable life but no longer having his mojo and getting fired from the new agency. That last would be my guess--he just pisses off too many clients, stops being able to handle the constant boozing, or is too old fashioned, and Ted and Coop and Roger bring the hammer down.

In previous episodes, Bob finally gets into Creative, and he's GOOD, bright ideas, good with clients, handsome, charming, basically Don before the fall. He may even marry Joan, everyone's sweetheart, and it will look really good for him, the Don without issues.

Last scene of the show, or one of the very last scenes. Bob gets on a train to go home, a soldier breaks out in a smile and says, "Hi Benny! Fancy running into you, I'm Franky, from Fort Bragg, remember?" (Or something like that.)
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He couldn't just get fired. He'd have to be bought out. He's a partner. So he's leave with lots of money
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True, or maybe quit, or die. What actually happens with Don isn't the part I can envision.

I just think Bob will have the same moment Don did in that train scene. Just when we think he's great, and handsomer, cleaner, nicer version of Don...we'll find out he is a fraud too.

He just looked SO much like a fresher Don last night in a couple of scenes, I mean I always thought that in some way he might take over Don's history with moving up in the ad world, but last night I just had a flash of the way the series might end.

From listening to DVD commentaries, I know that Wiener never does a single scene without a reason, and there was something about the silhouette doppelganger effect or something in scenes with Bob and Don...it just struck me.

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Specifically it was the hair, and part, the slope of shoulders, and angle of their heads, that's one I remember..I should probably watch it again to be more specific.
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Maybe I don't find Bob as good an actor. He just appears too fake to me which I didn't get in the feelings when they did the Don flashbacks. I know he is supposed to be compared to him starting out but it just doesn't work for me.
Edited by cccharley, May 14 2013, 03:55 PM.
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Ooh, interesting ending idea Mariah. I like it.

They are coming to the hippy dippy free love of the early 70's. Maybe Don will just say screw it and go do some LSD at Woodstock and just become a hippy.
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Interesting, Woodstock was in 1969. I somehow can't see Don there, remember how awkward he was at the Stones concert? (Or am I getting my characters confused)

Roger seems to be handling his drinking better, I wonder why? Just like Chaough is now Sir Galahad, without explanation.

I don't think Don has lost anything in the ad game. In the ride in the plane, I think he developed a respect for Chaough he had not had before. He still seems to be the one who can come up with ideas, no matter how dumb his method seems to be (get drunk, get laid, and think of an idea).

The ending will be very interesting, that's for sure.
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He was awkward at the Stones but remember when he went off to CA and was blending in with odd Palm Springs crowd? Didn't they sleep around etc. Who knows? We shall see. One door closes and another opens - or a window or an elevator.
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The Jet Set, almost as far from being hippies as corporate America, all about the money an opulence and glittering lifestyle. I just re-watched that one the other night. I can't see Don as hippy, for one thing he's too old to trust (Never Trust Anyone Over 30!)

This might be too clunky to do, but I read a few more recaps, didn't list them all because the 3 I did list were so good. Anyway, one recapper mentioned it, but I didn't really buy into it. Don's marriage to Betty broke up during the aftermath of JFK's death. That recapper speculated that Don and Megan might during the aftermath of RFK's. It didn't seem that likely to me, but I watched the last 3 episodes of season 3 last night, and Betty and Don's break up was in there. I guess it's possible.

I think it would be much more likely for Megan or Sally to go to Woodstock, or one of the younger staff.
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Those reviewers really see a lot -- much more than me. I enjoy reading them AFTER I've seen the show.

i thought Don was an asshole to Sylvia and I didn't find anything he did sexy. I'd have left. But then again, I wouldn't be married and having an affair! LOL

I thought Don, in the airplane, was philosophic. Why worry about what he was going to say when Ted flew them there in his own plane and that would be the excitement they could build the meet-and-greet on? I didn't get any sense that he was upset or felt one-upped. I saw that Ted took it that way, but I think what I like about Don is that basically, in regards most things, he just doesn't give a fuck. It's why he always "wins" -- Betty leaves him? Whatever, now he gets a younger, sexier wife and doesn't have the kids all the time, AND gets to live in the city and skip the traveling by train. The old agency is sold? So what, he never signed a contract and leaves anyway, taking everyone good with him. He tells Jaguar to fuck off and gets Chevy. He fucks up the public offering, but then makes the company so much stronger, in a few months they'll all go public and make 10x the cash. He arrives late, but in time to get the last seat. He comes late for a creative meeting, but it was a waste of time anyway. He wins by not trying.
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I think I'm confused as to why Don is cheating on Megan. Is it just the conquest? The variety? Megan seemed to meet all his needs. I guess it has something to do with her success as an actress...

I miss the very early scenes with Betty and other housewives. I remember reading that the Helen Bishop character was supposed to have a much more expanded story line than she did, but they cut that out after the actress was a super bitch to work with. And I miss Francine! (I loved that actress on Big Love too.)

I don't like the Sylvia character, she's just so one-dimensional to me. Linda Cardellini can act, but it seems she hasn't been given much to work with here.
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Freely, Don has deep, DEEP issues. Those first two recaps I linked are so very good at catching all of it, and they are good reads. It's really worth it to read all of their recaps.

I think there is a real overall story arc for Don, both this season, and for the series. He isn't falling in that opening sequence for nothing! Unlike Icy, I don't see him "winning" at everything, his wins are mostly shallow and temporary, and this episode, I saw him lose, lose, lose. Yeah, he got Ted drunk, but then Ted, without stooping to such juvenile tactics, buried him in that plane. "You're lead on this, because no matter what I do in there, you are the one who flew us up there in your plane."

Peggy rejected him, Sylvia ended things, his triumph of a brand spanking new wife that is good with his kids and works FOR him has turned to dust as she has her own career and he can't even hear her anymore, Ted is as good as he is, and is changing his workplace. I'm sure there were more. He's worked his ass of for everything he has his whole life, but he's become lazy and luck may be running out.
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Two of those reviews (maybe three) suggested that Don wanted Sylvia to leave him, after he heard her and Arnold arguing. The trouble would be a Pete and the Neighbor situation, with Sylvia suggesting she leave her husband and he leaves Megan. That's not what gets Don off -- he wants the forbidden -- probably because of his childhood.

I see some correlation between him and Sylvia ending it and Peggy coming back. She said to him "you didn't have to merge the companies to get me back, you never even asked!" ... and he scoffed sarcastically at that ... but I suggested it before and her saying it AND him scoffing makes me wonder if there is something there. He treated Peggy (and seems to want to continue) as his non-sex slave. Be the person I demand you be. Sylvia went along for a while, then fled. Peggy went along for a while, fled, but as he heard through the hotel room door when she was pitching ketchup, she never really left him, she just became a mini-Don. I think from that moment it was somewhere in his head that he had to get her back. But asking her directly would not suit his style, not suit what he thinks his motives are. Would the Don who says "whatever" actually merge two companies just to win a contract or be the bigger agency? I don't think so ... unless there were other motives at play.
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Interesting Icy.

He should have married Anna for real. She seems to be the only woman who every understood everything about him, and loved him anyway. Megan knows more than most have, but Don just can't seem to relax and be himself around anyone, male or female...except maybe Anna.

The writer said in a DVD commentary I was watching last night, that around Anna, Don Draper accidentally slips and becomes more like Hamm, and he loves that. I guess it would be loveD now, since she's dead.

Poor Donny, slipping deeper and deeper into hell.
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I totally disagree and don't think getting Peggy back was anywhere in his mind when he thought of the merger. I also think she was "getting to big for her britches" when she said that. I think Don cares for her a lot. I also think, as discussed, she is turning more like Don than she knows. Everyone keeps comparing Don to BB but really Peggy is a lot of Don too. Copies his style and now wants to have an affair with her married boss and thinks she's not replaceable. Interesting concept.Hopefully she will notice this before she reaches the point of no return which I think she will. She has many secrets as well. She will most likely be redeemed before the series ends - unless she continues on his path.
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