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Mad Men
Topic Started: Jan 25 2013, 11:26 AM (11,101 Views)
IcyAll
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Yes, CCC, exactly -- I remember in school in 1976 a teacher said something about the Vietnam War and I asked "When was that?" ... I led a sheltered life. Either that or I daydreamed constantly. I have no memory of Martin Luther King or Bobby Kennedy's assassinations.
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Nah - just don't remember - we were 5 back then. TVs weren't on all the time and if they were we probably were sheltered = probably a good thing. My kid sees too much. She knows all about Jodi. UGH. I only have a few memories from that age if at all. They may be from pictures.
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I was a freshman in high school when MLK and RFK were killed. I remember I got my first yearbook the day Bobby was murdered. I wrote an embarrassing and raving rant inside the book--and it's long, all my heartbreak and all the craziness, so it's pretty easy for me to put myself right back there. Just read my nearly incoherent rant with all of it's teenage heartbreak and emotion.

MLK broke my heart. RFK broke my everything.
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Huge difference in ages. I remember when John Lennon died. I was in HS. It must have been awful as teen for you Mariah. Lots of awful things happen these days. Nothing will overtake 9/11 to me. I still think about it almost every day.
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RFK was the one we believed would stop sending kids to die in Vietnam, and who seemed to actually listen to us. So when he died, it felt like thousands more would die in Vietnam, and I was getting old enough to go to school with those who were about to be drafted, and know people who had already lost brothers and sons, barely old enough to shave.

So, it wasn't just his personal death, it was the death of all sanity and hope.
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I was in Utero when JFK was killed. I don't remember ANYTHING about Vietnam- sadly. I still have my POW MIA bracelet- I think we got them when I was 10 (1974). I had a great childhood- we played outside a lot. But evidently I liked Hippies- and they liked me, too. We would meet them in Fort Lauderdale where we would drive to every Winter- when I get home and settled I'll post some pictures- me at 5 with a posse of Hippies :) Maybe they liked me because I had really long hair? (Our Norwegian Grandma was HYSTERICAL on the subject of our cutting our hair before marriage- was yours, Disco? Actually- I saw that Mansion on Facebook- and think we were the "other-side of the tracks" Norwegians. I envy all of you who have done so much geneology. I mean to when I get home.
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I was 11 when JFK was killed. I do remember watching him debate Nixon, and my mom came home and all of us told her she must vote for him, because the other one was too greasy and creepy for word. Ha.

My main memory is teachers crying, and then, wonder of wonder, they closed the school and sent us all home. We walked in 1963, and my house was about 1/2 mile + away. All the way home it was either stunned silence or tears--every adult we saw looked shell shocked, just completely out of it. So, you kind of picked up clues that this was a very big deal, the TV was on when I got home. My mother wasn't crying, and I don't think that TV was off for the next 3 days, until it went off the air. I remember seeing Oswald shot, and adults swearing somewhere, maybe my mom and a friend? My mother said they would cover it up, something about Cuba and the Mob and Marilyn, but it was in one ear and out the other. It mostly felt like a hush fell over everything, and adults crying was weird. Even my mother cried when John John saluted, but she was pretty skeptical about Jackie, saying "that woman is playing this for all it is worth."

Aw memories...
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I think Jacque was naive past the death of JFK. She woke up sometime after and has been quoted as saying after RFK was killed (something like) "If they're killing Kennedys, I'm taking my kids away" ... and she moved them to Europe and met AO.

I was in utero, too, Ranjake, born the morning Oswald was shot and killed. Famously (and I've probably posted this!), as my mother was wheeled out of delivering me, she heard one nurse tell another nurse "They just killed Oswald!" ...

This year will be the 50th anniversary of the assassination. However, through some sort of time fluke, I'll only be turning 39. ;)
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It was odd, later on my mother came to really respect Jackie, when other people were coming down on her for leaving and especially for marrying Onassis, my mother completely respected her for getting her kids away.
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Mariah, you are my brother's age (the one who "won" the lottery with his high draft number). Icy, ranjake and ccc... I'm 3 years older than you, so yeah, you guys were pretty young during the Viet Nam war. At eight, you are moving out of the "baby" stage and starting to be aware of the world around you and it's consequences. Plus, my brothers were all much older than me (12, 9 and 5 years older) so there was a lot of "grown up" talk around our dinner table. And what you younger ones probably don't realize is that the Viet Nam war didn't really end until 1974 or so .. so think about it... all of the 60's and well into the 70's. Throw Watergate in there along with the assassinations and race riots and you pretty much have my formative years. No wonder when I got to my teen years I just wanted to "boogie on" (remember that line? ) and party! Ok.. off my tangent now!
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I remember that line. I remember watergate and when the war ended. My mom thought Jackie was smart as hell marrying a billionaire or whatever ari would be in our real time dollars I remember them always thinking the Kennedy's were criminals especially Joe. Big daddy I think my mom said she was in Macy's when she heard JFK was shot and I was an infant. Wonder if she will remember that now. She's got Altz. Now I'm gonna cry. Ill ask her later. She may remember details like that but not what happened yesterday or her grandchildren
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Ha, cccc! Sounds like your parents and my dad would get along famously! My dad couldn't stand the Kennedys, especially "old man Kennedy" as he called him.I also remember when Jackie married Ari. I think the word used in our family was "whore", or something along that line; but I can totally see why she did it.
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My husband was born when Kennedy was killed. My mother-in-law heard nurses weeping in the hospital.

I know I am getting away from the "Mad Men" of this thread, but I will never forget that Jackie Kennedy ordered her son John to never fly his own plane. She believed he would be killed in it. Then after her death, he obtained his pilot's license and bought a plane.

I think I love the casting and costuming of the people and set on Mad Men more than the drama. It's just so brilliantly done.

I just rewatched the episode where Peggy looks at the pretty apartment that ended up getting sold to someone else. I am confused why she bought such a crappy place after looking at that one - I know Abe said it would be a smart move, but I can't see how she would have chosen it, it being her money.
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I think she did it because it was the first time Abe actually gave his opinion on something. He just went along with everything she wanted and never had any input. Anyway- looking to the future now and RE in NYC she made a great move!
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He said "raising our kids" and she was GONE. Sucker. Wait till he hears (if he does) that she had a child and gave him up.

Freely, your husband is two days older than me! Are you planning a big party for his 50th this November?

My first memory of anything political is when Nixon resigned. My father was (and still is) devastated. He took me on a bike ride around the town (Emerson, Iowa) and by the park and gently explained that the President was resigning and how sad and unfair it was. A year later we saw President Ford at the Iowa State Fair -- we were so far away his head was the size of a dime! LOL. Only President I've seen in real life. Though I did see Clinton's sleeve through a limo window.

But I digress.

Peggy should have bought a nice cute place, but ... what she did buy is a great investment -- we all know that, even if she doesn't.
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