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Mad Men
Topic Started: Jan 25 2013, 11:26 AM (11,094 Views)
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I liked this one too. Peggy calling Stan, her work boyfriend, when she needed help was great.

Weaver, I think Don helping the Rosens out was part love and guilt but also his reflecting on his experience in the Korean war. I hope he was thinking why send an innocent kid to that nightmare?

Nice to see Betty, but I missed Joan.
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Jun 11 2013, 11:29 AM
I liked this one too. Peggy calling Stan, her work boyfriend, when she needed help was great.

Weaver, I think Don helping the Rosens out was part love and guilt but also his reflecting on his experience in the Korean war. I hope he was thinking why send an innocent kid to that nightmare?

Nice to see Betty, but I missed Joan.
Yes, he did remember Korea.

And Don outright said "the war is wrong." I don't think we knew he felt that way, did we? It was more "it doesn't concern me."

I wish Slattery wasn't reduced to a sideline character.
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John Slatterly played Tony Stark's father in the IRONMAN movie and he played him just like Roger. Annoyed the shit out of me.

TWO THINGS:

They will not have Megan die like Sharon Tate did. She might die, but it won't be pregnant and at that ranch in LA. They've never substituted a real life huge event with their characters taking the main parts before, why would they do that now? Weiner is just fucking with us. (Pun intended.)

I think Don might have a heart attack and Arnold will have to save his life ... after finding out about the affair. Good way to end the show with a "will the doctor save Don's life or let him die because he was screwing Sylvia"? ...
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I agree Icy, she won't die ala Sharon Tate--but I still think one of the teenage girls we've seen this season will join Manson's group. It wouldn't surprise me at all if Megan dies though, just street crime or another break in. As I said earlier, the crime rate was very high in NYC in 1968--one place I read, and I should have saved the link, anyway, it said the violent crime rate today is something like 1/3 of 1968.

I read a ton of reviews, because I kind of screwed up my back in a minor way and couldn't do too much else yesterday. I'd say it was about a 70/30 split, 70 % loving this episode and the other 30% who loved parts of it, but said it felt disjointed. That's how I felt. Still it did have so many WONDERFUL scenes.

Such good actors, all the way around. For me, even when this show isn't great for me, it's still the best thing on TV.
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I liked it so much I'm going to watch it again. Something I rarely do. Good little actresses = both of them. Who played the friend?

Icy - if the boy is back he'll cut his hair. I looked him up and he's been in lots of stuff. Seasoned for his age so to speak.
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The scenes with Sally and Don were so wonderful.

There were also a lot of very funny scenes earlier. I loved watching Peggy and Pete laugh, and Ted being jealous too. Peggy and Pete's mom were just perfection. I was kind of mad at Pete for taking his mother's happiness away and firing that guy.

If Bob's only deal is that he is gay, it's kind of a yawn. Maybe he's bi? Poor Joanie!

Oh yeah, he'll cut his hair, and join the Air National Guard to stay out of Viet Nam, just like Bush did in 1968. He made an impulsive stand by burning that draft card, but he's scared shitless and just doesn't want to die now.
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Jun 11 2013, 04:02 PM
Peggy and Pete's mom were just perfection.
I was cracking up when Peggy kept looking around nervously and goes "Where did she go for that tea? China?"
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Oh Mariah - I meant cut his hair IRL - he wouldn't do it if he was only on the show for that one guest spot. As a character yes. Icy mentioned it. As an actor they cut hair often but not usually for a bit part. If you look at his imdb page he always has his big head of hair.
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They could put a wig on him I guess, half the cast wears wigs.
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Yeah, but it's hard to do the reverse wig -- cover all the hair and make it short. Usually too bulky. Not impossible, but I think we've seen the last of Mitchell. I just realized, Sally won't have anything to do with him since she saw her father with Mitchell's mother.
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Doesn't he go off anyway if it works to some air force thing? Suppose it doesn't? That could be another way it could go and he has to go off and gets killed. I hope not. I'd be sad
Edited by cccharley, Jun 11 2013, 07:50 PM.
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It's Air National Guard, like Bush joined. There is no danger except for perhaps a flying accident.
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Yes I know that but he'd be off the show. I said if he didn't get in he'd have to go to war and could die.
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http://www.tomandlorenzo.com/2013/06/mad-style-favors.html

Involved and thoughtful article about Bob from Tom and Lorenzo.
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In 1968, homosexuality was a recognized mental illness by the American Psychiatric Association. A gay man in 1968 could not only be fired, he could be jailed, institutionalized, subjected to electro-shock therapy and even chemically castrated. The idea that any man in 1968 would pretend to be gay is akin to the idea of someone pretending to be a Jew in Weimar Germany. It just doesn’t scan. The stakes are entirely too high for anyone to fool around with that sort of stuff. It is virtually impossible to conceive of any sane straight person doing such a thing. It’s like pretending to be a pedophile for ulterior motives, in today’s terms. That’s how it would have been seen at the time. Some men tried it to get out of serving in Vietnam, but even then, it wasn’t a common tactic, even with stakes that high. No, as shocking and hard to accept as it may have been, Bob Benson really was hitting on Pete Campbell, and now we’re going to tell you why.
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And as to the question of whether a closeted gay man would do what Bob did, risking what he’s risking, we’d just answer with: they did. Gay men did, in fact, do this sort of thing and do, in fact, still do this sort of thing; risking the closet based on very deep infatuations (or even dangerous obsessions) or just an obsessively close reading of another man to see if he’s sending out signals. It was insanely risky on his part, but you can read the stories of countless men in Bob’s generation who fell in love with bosses or dorm roommates or teachers and eventually either made a successful move or made a fool of themselves – or worse. It looks and sounds crazy to us in this day and age, but like we said, Bob is almost certainly extremely stunted emotionally and very bad at intimacy. He’s all surface because he’s spent his entire life being all surface in order to deflect questions.

In addition, you have to remember that culturally gay people at this time had virtually no way of picking up on normal romantic and sexual cues. It was actually illegal for gay people to socialize with each other, which is at least partially why so many gay male assignations at the time happened in back alleys and tea rooms and why complicated signaling like Polari and the hanky code were used to communicate everything from sexual position and act preferences to basic gay social concepts (“butch,” “drag,” and “queen” are all Polari slang). Having never really been taught how to read whether a man is interested in them, many gay men of this period suffered serious crushes on the straight men around them and totally misunderstood any forms of friendliness or affection as sexual attraction. Also: while the camera lingered on their knees in this scene, such moves were in fact very common among gay men in order to non-verbally signal to each other that they were like-minded (like toe-tapping in tea rooms). They worked and were devised because it was something that was quite easy to deflect or ignore if signals got misread. People bump their knees all the time, right? No big deal. Pete obviously picked up on it, but it never quite goes so far that he needs to leap out of his seat in disgust. This move was very much part of the gay male playbook of the day, which was almost entirely about trying to figure out just who the hell around you was also gay and reaching out to them in a way that didn’t get you killed or arrested.
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What a coincidence- just read it this morning. Off to read the regular TL blog now.
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