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Mad Men
Topic Started: Jan 25 2013, 11:26 AM (11,085 Views)
weaver
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So who is going to answer Don's phone now? Dawn was going to have the number transferred to the front desk, and now she's in her own office. Course she'll be privy to a lot of info from her position. Wonder if she'll still blab to Don.
The new guy in charge seems to be satisfied with a bimbo secretary as long as she's white. It will leave him very vulnerable to office political maneuvers. He'll go soon, at least I hope he will.
Wonder why Christina Hendricks has never gotten a skin/hair commercial, or has she? Her skin is spectacular.
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I think Dawn will still do it. It's cool that she was promoted.

Here are the lyrics to the song at the end. Hopeful?

THE ZOMBIES LYRICS
"This Will Be Our Year"

The warmth of your love's
Like the warmth from the sun
And this will be our year
Took a long time to come

Don't let go of my hand
Now darkness has gone
This will be our year
Took a long time to come

And I won't forget
The way you helped me
Up when I was down
And I won't forget
The way you said
Darling I love you
You gave me faith to go on
Now we're there
And we've only just begun
This will be our year
Took a long time to come

The warmth of your smile
Smile for me little one
And this will be our year
Took a long time to come

You don't have to worry
All your worried days are gone
And this will be our year
Took a long time to come

And I won't forget
The way you helped me
Up when I was down
And I won't forget
The way you said
Darling I love you
You gave me faith to go on
Now we're there
And we've only just begun
This will be our year
Took a long time to come

And this will be our year
Took a long time to come
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Love the Zombie's!
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Mariah
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Wow.

So real. Too real?

Shocked at the ending though.

http://blogs.wsj.com/speakeasy/2014/04/27/mad-men-season-7-episode-3-field-trip-tv-recap/

Great recap.

Another take on the show:
http://www.chicagonow.com/couple-critics/2014/04/mad-men-review-field-trip/
Edited by Mariah, Apr 28 2014, 12:38 AM.
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watching today. going to hide from anything madmen
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Finally catching up to the show and this thread.

They couldn't fire those girls because they're black -- civil rights, etc. That was what offended Dawn, was her realization that she was just a symbol for them.

I felt really bad for Don and really bad for Bobby. And I was plenty pissed at the partners. Especially Joan -- why are they all threatened? That's what it is.
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Well, it was only a few months ago that Joan lost a million dollars because of Don (remember, they were going to go public and sell stock?) Then he acted all alone and blew Jaguar. He has been a loose canon quite a bit.

There are some really wonderful recaps of this out there.

Here are a few:

http://www.latimes.com/entertainment/tv/showtracker/la-et-st-mad-men-recap-don-returns-to-work-20140428,0,1846938.story

http://time.com/78746/mad-men-recap-season-7-episode-3-field-trip/

http://artsbeat.blogs.nytimes.com/2014/04/28/mad-men-watch-the-dark-knight-returns/?_php=true&_type=blogs&_r=0

http://www.avclub.com/tvclub/mad-men-field-trip-203894

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2014/04/28/mad-men-review-field-trip_n_5224375.html

http://variety.com/2014/tv/news/mad-men-episode-3-recap-an-eventful-field-trip-1201165481/

Also, Megan interrupting lunch with Rod Serling? This was so supposed to be like the Twilight Zone. ;)
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Mariah, I read them all. I'm amazed at how much others see in this show. I almost think it's just a grand excuse for a normal TV show being one they all really enjoy. They're trying to make it more than it is.
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I don't think so Icy, :) If you ever listen to Matt Weiner talk on the DVD extra commentary, you'll see that the writers really DO put that much into, and sometimes more. Every once in a while a recapper sees something fresh, but in general, there really is that much going on.

I just love the DVDs for that reason. There is absolutely NO improv, and even gestures and sighs, or breaths are written into the script. There are "happy accidents" sometimes. There is one fade on Don curled up in a ball on his couch that turns into Betty in a snowy parking lot right before she sees the little boy. The snow perfectly outlines John Hamm's back. THAT was an accident they found during editing, but in general, even the flowers, or a scarf, hell, even the socks the men wear are thought out.

One thing I love about rewatching this is that even when I've seen an episode several times, I can watch again and see something brand new. The actors are constantly saying "it's all there, in the script" when they do commentary.

That ending song, and Rod Serling reference were more dead-on than they usually do, but after such a "twilight zone" episode, I kind of liked them being more explicit that usual.

I think (but maybe I'm wrong) that Don's true love IS the work, and he'll take it at any price. A bigger part of me can't wait for them to take down that asshole he will be reporting to. I think a larger story is the impersonalization of big business though, and the denigration of creative individuals as corporate policies take over, and not just in advertizing. That is when it really began to roll that way, and Don, as hard as he is trying here, may not to be able to work like that, and may continue to fall. Maybe in the end he'll walk away again, and start his own smaller company?

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Yes I think we are all supposed to despise Lou. Perhaps it is Don's rise since it appeared that he hit bottom last season. Now he has to fight back but in an intellectual way and knowing much more.

God I love this show. Whether it's not my favorite it episode or not it appears much better than anything on tv. I love it and will mourn it when it's gone unless of course they end it badly. We shall see. As usual I am enjoying it very much. I'm trying to catch them earlier in the week. I'm too tired to watch and take it in at 10 so we've been watching it early or during the day.

I must say I really do not like Peggy this year. I know they have a reason but I can't stand her. I know Joan was angry with Don about ruining the company's chance to go public last year but if Pete can forgive so can Joan. He has been good to Joan and she also was a bitch. Maybe she thought Don may take her office. Who knows?
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I read somewhere that advertising WAS changing as the seventies approached. Guys like Lou DID replace the wildly creative people, so that is based in reality. The whole message Duck was pushing about dollars and cents became the thing about then, although certain firms did retain good creative. It was always a huge war between "creative" and the "account men" though, but around this time, the "account men" began to win.

Also, the long drinking lunches and dinners where business was done began to fall out of favor. They still exist of course, but a more businesslike approach and changes to what could be written off as business expenses (drinks, hookers, hotels, etc) started to be scrutinized by both the IRS and the companies buying the advertising and "corporate" gained over "individuals."

There is one blog out there I have to find, it's from an advertising news/mag that addresses the actual changes in business during time periods, and compares it to what is shown on Mad Men. Weiner pays a lot of attention to the reality of that by year, and of course has the ad people on staff to review scripts and advise them of historical accuracy.

I have to find that blog. Anyone remember which one it is?
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Those long lunches and dinners I don't think started to go away until later in the 70s. Lunches still happened in the 80s with cocktails of course. I remember my father, who was a stockbroker, said at one point no more writing off all his dinners. Sad day - lol
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lol. I remember Mr. Disco going to those lunches/dinners in his first years of his employment in the early 80's. I was so jelly as a college student, it seemed so sophisticated compared to my lunches in the student union.
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http://www.npr.org/2014/05/01/308608611/mad-men-creator-matthew-weiner-on-the-end-of-don-drapers-journey

http://www.npr.org/player/v2/mediaPlayer.html?action=1&t=3&islist=true&id=13&d=05-01-2014 Terry Gross interviews Weiner here.
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I just got to watching the show, cable problems last week. Unfortunately I heard Terry Gross interview Weiner last week, and during her show she played several scenes from last weeks show, so I knew about them. I hate that, but I love Terry Gross, and didn't want to miss her show.

Great show, I thought. I too think the drinking lunches didn't end until a good ten years later or so.
The Betty scenes were dull, we get it, no point in wasting any more time on her.

Was disappointed in Peggy and Joan. They've gotten a bit too self righteous. Roger had it right.
Hope we've seen the last of Megan too, let's end her this way.

I think Don is thinking he can fix it when he returns to work, and these strictures will not really apply to him. I haven't read any recaps, don't want to now, maybe later.

One thing Weiner said in his interview with TG is that he did not originally know that the network wanted to break up the season into two series. He found out rather late and had to redo concepts and rewrite a lot. Needed an "ending" show for this season. As of last week, he was still writing epi 10 of 14 I think. Huge mistake, I think.

I think the only ending for Don is like the ending for Tony Soprano, he'll be going downhill and his end will seem inevitable, but we won't really know.
Edited by weaver, May 4 2014, 08:05 AM.
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