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| IcyAll | May 6 2015, 10:28 AM Post #646 |
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I'm one of ten people who loved the musical LOST HORIZON with Sally Kellerman, Liv Ullman, George Kennedy, and Peter Finch. Music was by Burt Bacharach …. panned by critics, but I have the soundtrack! :) |
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| Mariah | May 6 2015, 01:32 PM Post #647 |
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There are some really thoughtful and wonderful reviews this week, I just didn't post any links because, not sure you guys like them, not because the writers weren't wonderful. I can't wait to read Tom and Lorenzos, but it always comes up late. ETA It's up! http://tomandlorenzo.com/2015/05/mad-style-lost-horizon/ Edited by Mariah, May 6 2015, 02:37 PM.
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| weaver | May 6 2015, 07:14 PM Post #648 |
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Great cast. Don't remember it at all. |
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| IcyAll | May 6 2015, 10:33 PM Post #649 |
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Oh, and Michael York was the hottie in that Lost Horizon. Mariah, I LOVE that you post the links to reviews. I check for them every week and read them ALL! ETA: John Gielgud played a Chinese man in it, too. Edited by IcyAll, May 6 2015, 10:34 PM.
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| cccharley | May 7 2015, 12:01 PM Post #650 |
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Loved Peggy up the hall loved roger and Peggy Scene. Not sure they ever had an intimate scene like that before was. awesome. I think Don will restart his life again. Perhaps in sales again and not advertising. He can sell anything. He has developed much more empathy over the years |
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| cccharley | May 7 2015, 12:06 PM Post #651 |
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They wanted don however if he won't work For them they get rid of him as competition be of the non compete. Maybe he'll end up on a beach somewhere opening a bar kind of like the end of that movie where they get out of prison. What the heck was the name? Nominated for multiple oscars Tim Robbins. |
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| IcyAll | May 7 2015, 12:15 PM Post #652 |
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Shawshank Redemption. |
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| cccharley | May 7 2015, 01:30 PM Post #653 |
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Yes! I actually think that is Don and I am beginning to think his character Is at least partially based on redemption. Perhaps the idea was even based upon that movie's character coupled with some other themes of rise and fall. Peggy's character of course being the main rise. Joan partially tragedy. I just really hope it ends on an up note as I have stated before. Even Betty is rising and going back to school. Who would have thought? |
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| weaver | May 7 2015, 02:24 PM Post #654 |
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I'm listening to Terry Gross now on Fresh Air interviewing Weiner Very interesting. No revelations. In fact he doesn't always know what Don is thinking, huh? Sometimes Weiner takes himself too seriously. None of the actors knew it was their last scene while filming it. Edited by weaver, May 7 2015, 02:44 PM.
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| cccharley | May 7 2015, 03:37 PM Post #655 |
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That's consistent with Wiener he does that so they don't spill. The guest stars had to sign NDAs and not tell that they were even on the show. This has been pretty consistent. I think Don haha that's his name now is the only one who has been let into plot lines in advance and not always |
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| cccharley | May 7 2015, 03:39 PM Post #656 |
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NDAs are not that rare though. Even I have to sign many for my kid even for a few commercials. If you saw some of the scripts you'd be shocked because it's so silly. She's on a Louie episode and I cannot tell you the content. Watch. May 21
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| weaver | May 7 2015, 04:57 PM Post #657 |
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Oh, I have not seen her. I'll have to check that episode. |
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| Mariah | May 7 2015, 08:00 PM Post #658 |
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Here are some for you then Icy. I also liked Slate, and Hollywood Life and several others not in this list. http://www.vulture.com/2015/05/about-joans-hysteria-on-last-nights-mad-men.html I love this one! In "Lost Horizon," we see Betty reading a Freud case about "hysteria" and everyone else telling Joan in various ways that she's, well, hysterical. Can't you just tolerate constant degradation and humiliation? Can't you accept less money? Can't you be pleased — or at least act pleased — that someone far less competent than you is going to be your boss? The book Betty is reading is Dora: An Analysis of a Case of Hysteria, and one of Dora's presenting symptoms is aphonia, or "loss of voice." Hmmm! One interpretation of Dora's ostensible hysteria stems from the conflict between unconsciously enjoying the benefits of one's objectification and the conscious distress of being part of such a broken social system. Sound familiar? "Lost Horizon" shows us, through Joan, exactly this torment. Joan has faced sexual harassment her entire career — her entire adult life, probably — and when we meet her in 1960, she generally uses scuzzy male attention to her advantage. She even encourages Peggy to do the same, making sure to get in a few digs at Peggy's looks, too. But we know Joan's attitudes have changed, partially owing to changing cultural standards, partially owing to occupying a different place in society (being 40 is different than being 30), and a different place economically. Joan's rich. There was a time in her life when she had to tolerate cretinous male behavior because it was synonymous with financial stability; see Dr. Greg the rapist for Exhibit A. More important than financial and political changes, though, is the change in the way Joan sees and thinks about herself. http://www.latimes.com/entertainment/tv/showtracker/la-et-st-mad-men-recap-lost-horizon-20150503-story.html#page=1 Joan isn’t exactly thrilled about the move to McCann, but frankly even she seems shocked by how swiftly things go awry. An early visit from Karen and Libby, two female copywriters, perhaps lulls her into a false sense of security. Sure, their clients are Tampax and the pill (“If it’s in it, near it or makes you think about it, we’re on it,” one of them explains), but hey, at least they’re not secretaries! Watching the scene a second time, though, their eagerness actually reads as desperation. “We’d love to share the crumbs with her,” says the one with the short hair, referring to Peggy’s accounts. She might as well have added, “No, seriously. We’re starving here.” They invite Joan to drinks with other female employees, quickly dismissing the idea that it’s any kind of “women’s lib” gathering, “just a bitch session.” Their behavior is typical of women in the workplace -- they try to be as nonthreatening and self-deprecating as possible, making sure to soften anything that might be deemed aggressive by veiling it in jokes and niceties. Mo Ryan's: http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2015/05/04/mad-men-lost-horizon_n_7202412.html It’s only fitting that “Mad Men” is spending so much time saying goodbye and letting us spend so much quality time with these people before they go (and quality time = Glen-free time). The whole show is, after all, an exercise nostalgia, maybe for something that never existed. And yet, what we saw transpire for seven seasons was real, in a way -- the bonds between these characters, the love, the animosities, the crisis-driven drinking, the camaraderie. At its best, all of that was so heartbreakingly, hilariously real. So palpable that for all these years, we have been engaged on a level beyond flash. Think back to the great Season 1 finale, “The Wheel.” Talk about full circle: Now think about Drunk Peggy, traveling around and around the office on roller skates as Drunk Roger played the organ (no jests about Roger and organs, I’m trying to share a Serious Thought here). Alan Sepinwall's: http://www.hitfix.com/whats-alan-watching/review-mad-men-lost-horizon-one-for-the-road What's he leaving now? A new company that only wants him as a trophy? An ex-wife and kids who have learned to function just fine without him? A new apartment that Meredith hasn't even gotten a chance to decorate yet? He goes to Racine not so much because Diana is the true love of his life, but because seeing if he can help her seems about the most useful thing he can do at the moment, just as he decides to take the hitchhiker to St. Paul, because why not? No one needs him back home. (If Ferg really aims to rob Peggy of her authority and independence, there's little Don could do to stop him.) And wherever Don ends up in his mid-American journey, it seems that destination has to be better than the place that Roger, Peggy and the others have gone to. Bert Cooper's ghost hangs over the episode, not only in his appearance in Don's passenger as he passes through Cleveland, but in Roger's gift of the painting to Peggy, and even in the choice of David Bowie's "Space Oddity" as the closing music. The song's imagery of an astronaut stepping out into the void, unable to communicate with the people he left behind, certainly speaks to where Don is at the moment, but any talk of astronauts on this show will automatically evoke Bertram Cooper, whose best line of dialogue and manner of death both involved men much like Major Tom. ------ * The Ladies' Home Journal protest Joan alludes to happened in March of 1970, as 100 women staged a sit-in because they felt a magazine with "Ladies" in the title should actually be run by women. It took a few more years for the magazine to actually get its first female editor in chief, but the August 1970 issue did feature an eight-page special section written entirely by women. Read more at http://www.hitfix.com/whats-alan-watching/review-mad-men-lost-horizon-one-for-the-road#XZg4KOqHiTw45OOr.99 http://www.rollingstone.com/tv/recaps/mad-men-recap-skate-and-destroy-20150504 So Joan takes it up with Jim Hobart, and it's abundantly clear that McCann's misogyny stems from the top. Leaving her out while SC&P's other partners were assigned plum accounts was no oversight: The new boss was willing to tolerate her as long as she stayed in her place, but the moment she asserts herself, he flies into an incredulous rage. Hobart can't conceive that Joan might have earned her partnership (let alone the sacrifice she made to earn it): He assumes it was an inheritance, just as the McCann employee charged with sending flowers to all of SC&P's secretaries saw Peggy Olson's name on the personnel list and sent her some, too. Although Joan threatens the man with a lawsuit, invoking the holy trinity of the EEOC, the ACLU and Betty Friedan, there's no good way out, and she knows it. http://www.theatlantic.com/entertainment/archive/2015/05/mad-men-recap-lost-horizon/392291/ 'Lost Horizon' was a tremendously weird and mostly entertaining episode. ----- Which leaves me with Peggy. For seven seasons now, Peggy has seemed to try to emulate Don at work, but this episode suggested that perhaps she’s better taking Roger as her model—walking brazenly into work hungover with a cigarette dangling from her mouth and a 150-year-old painting of an octopus pleasuring a woman under her arm. Peggy has talent, and her authoritative wardrobe in this episode (who dresses up in an immaculate red and black suit to work in an empty office?) suggests that she knows it. Maybe having a degree of Roger’s joie de vivre and healthy disrespect for authority could be the making of her. http://www.npr.org/blogs/monkeysee/2015/05/04/401940792/mad-men-skates-across-a-changed-and-changing-landscape http://www.avclub.com/tvclub/mad-men-lost-horizon-218897 http://artsbeat.blogs.nytimes.com/2015/05/04/mad-men-recap-season-7-first-day-mccann-lost-horizon/ http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/style-blog/wp/2015/05/04/mad-men-defeated-and-with-little-pride-left-to-swallow-down-goes-joan/ http://blogs.wsj.com/speakeasy/2015/05/03/mad-men-episode-12-a-conversation/ Another, because hell yeah! Choke on that White Whale, McCann! http://www.theguardian.com/tv-and-radio/2015/may/03/mad-men-recap-season-seven-episode-12-lost-horizon-warning-spoilers Despite the sunny affection shown to Don – Jim Hobart’s white whale – the other SC&Pers are finding the transition difficult. Impossible. The Moby-Dick analogy is apt. Hobart seems to admit that the sole reason he bought SC&P was for Draper’s talents which, for years, have been better regarded outside of his own company. The hunt was futile and the consequences huge. Especially for the characters in Don’s orbit. The rest of the team have the talent and desire to make McCann money, but as we saw with the treatment of Joan and Peggy, it’s not important. They bought an entire agency to get Miller beer. They did the same to get Don. Culture watch Ground control to Major Don … We were played out, of course, by David Bowie. Not only was that pulled rising shot allied with the pre-chorus howl of Space Oddity (first released in 1969) the finest musical moment in the show since Don tuned out with Tomorrow Never Knows, it also drew a neat line between the Kerouac references. Bowie’s love of the writer is well known – and referenced in the song Subterraneans on Low (named for the 1958 novella) – but one of the most famous passages in On the Road also inspired the idea of the Spiders from Mars: The only people for me are the mad ones, the ones who are mad to live, mad to talk, mad to be saved, desirous of everything at the same time, the ones that never yawn or say a commonplace thing, but burn, burn, burn like fabulous yellow Roman candles exploding like spiders across the stars.” http://www.theguardian.com/tv-and-radio/2015/may/03/mad-men-recap-season-seven-episode-12-lost-horizon-warning-spoilers |
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| IcyAll | May 8 2015, 02:40 AM Post #659 |
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Awesome, Mariah! Now I'll be up all night, LOL I was reading some article linked on FB about MAD MEN and one of the "similar articles" was this one … which, though I'm posting the link, you MUST BE CAREFUL TO READ … if you hate spoilers. It has no spoilers, per se, but a theory about how it will end that is looking very likely. http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2015/05/06/did-this-woman-predict-mad-men-s-ending-two-years-ago.html I read it and sort of wish I didn't know what I know now. OTOH, how was I to know that before I knew that? :) |
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| Mariah | May 8 2015, 01:19 PM Post #660 |
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I've read it, and I seriously doubt it is true, but if it is, WHY, he's already rich! |
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