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Mad Men
Topic Started: Jan 25 2013, 11:26 AM (11,069 Views)
cccharley
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Yes wiener did take some pot shots at the fans and all of their ideas about knowing the ending
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May 18 2015, 09:28 AM
Here's a bit of the story of the real coke some say wiener started the entire series somewhat based on this guy

That Coke ad was born in January, 1971, less than three months after the events depicted in “Person to Person.” It was developed at McCann, the agency Don fled, by an executive named Bill Backer (sounds like Don Draper). He got the idea when his plane was stranded in Ireland en route to meet Coca-Cola music director Billy Davis and Davis’ co-songwriters Roger Cook and Roger Greenaway. Backer saw other stranded passengers killing time by chatting over bottles of Coke. Upon arriving in London, Backer told the music team about his epiphany, and they got out an old tape of a song they’d started working on a year earlier, turned it into the now-famous jingle and shipped it to radio stations in February, and it became so popular that it became a TV spot that fall.

Well, if Don wrote the ad, I have to believe he wrote it with Peggy. It sure is Don's style, everyone together and happy like Carousel.

It was an unbelievably good ad. Now of course the cynics say it was hokey and was selling sugar based beverages that ruin your teeth, but it was a spectacular ad at the time.
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I was remembering the other day a woman who lived in my building for many years, Vangie Hayes. She was hugely successful in advertising, wrote a book on casting. She developed Alzheimer's and after we had a terrible accident in the neighborhood in 2008, she went into a nursing home. She died in 2009, I just looked up her obit.

I remember coming home from work and seeing her being picked up by limos. She went to every single event, was a huge drinker.

She would have been about 40 in 1970, so it definitely was possible for women to make it big in those days, probably very few, but it was possible.

http://www.legacy.com/obituaries/nytimes/obituary.aspx?n=evangeline-hayes&pid=132352017

And here was her very successful book.

http://www.amazon.com/How-Get-into-Commercials-Succeeding/dp/0064637042/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1431959386&sr=8-1&keywords=vangie+hayes

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I'm certain it would be a compilation baed upon the idea.

Here was a very interesting comment on Tom and Lorenzo. I never notice these things

The Sun card from the Tarot deck appeared at the end of the credits of each episode. This card predicted the show's ending for Don all along. The Sun Card stands for renewal and rebirth after being stripped of everything. Each of the last 6 episodes showed him standing in the midst of one more loss. He finally gave away his car. Then, as Betty wished, he lost his family. He truly had nothing left. He never really had himself either, since he assumed another's identity.

But he found his true emotional self when he identified with Leonard at Escalon. This was his moment of redemption.

I believe that Don was finally able to cry for his own lostness, for all his sins and all he had hurt along the way. And in that "death", there is always rebirth - and a renewal of creativity.

At dawn the next morning, Don stands silhouetted in the light of the rising sun. This symbolic moment isn't really subtle to those who know the Tarot. Don is the rebirth represented by that ever-present Sun Card.

I believe Don returned to McCann and inspired the great CocaCola ad. He may go on to be more involved with his family, too, after Betty's death. I liked the clear rebirth Weiner showed us, as well as the ambivalence of wondering just how far the transformation will go.

I want to add that Don's continuous attempts to rescue lost women was the search for his lost self projected onto them. These sexual encounters could not give him what he sought. He ultimately found himself by making a genuine emotional connection with a man.
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I thought the woman telling Stephanie that her son would always look to the door, wondering when she would return, was a knife to Don -- whose own mother died and left him. I thought him going to Stephanie and saying "ignore that" was him telling himself, ignore that, but he couldn't. I think he heard that guy telling his story and realized he did have love, that people were saying "come home" as Peggy did.

But one thing that bugs the SHIT out of me. The sun rises in the east. Desire it though you may, you cannot be backlight by the sun and have your back to the Pacific in California. It just doesn't work that way. You can be on a bluff and have it to your side -- but that was a sunset that they called a sunrise … then they corrected it, mid scene by having the golden glow of the sun on their faces. Which, please, no one stares into the sun because you ruin your eyes! Lots of stupidity there.


BTW: true story notwithstanding, I believe Weiner was saying Don goes back to McCann and helps write that Coke ad. He has to take care of his children and I believe he would have done that.
Edited by IcyAll, May 18 2015, 02:45 PM.
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I keep watching the repeats, and each time I liked the episode more. Not perfect, but just so much better than what I thought might happen.

I liked it, partly because I was dreading a bad ending for Don, hell, when Pete and Trudy got on that Jet I keep thinking "don't crash!" after Buddy Holly last week.

I do like that Don's story is kind of open ended, it seems to give those who can't stand him the ending they like, and those that kept rooting for him an ending they can live with. For me (I like him, if not always his actions) the Coke commercial means he's back in NY, and that's where his kids are as well. I think he'll make a slow transition with his kids, and Henry will also be allowed in their lives until he inevitably moves on. He won't abandon his kids though. As an orphan himself, I will never believe he could do that to them, not now that Betty's dead.

I thought the only clunker was the Peggy/Stan writing, although I did love it happening on the phone. I'm fine with them finally getting they should give it a shot, but something about the writing was more syrupy than Coke for me.

I just loved Joan's story...she's doing exactly what she should, starting her own business, and she has money to put into that, especially now that she's finally letting Roger take care of his son's future. She is starting small, in her house, but that company will grow, and she found her perfect little niche. She doesn't need a man to tell her what to do anymore, and being married no longer seems like a life goal for her. It may happen, but if it doesn't? She'll be fine.

Adored Roger and Marie, every bit of it. I could watch those two all day. Finally, an age appropriate fun woman who really gets him, and can volley back. Yes, I loved Mona too, but Mona's moved on.

Haven't read them yet, but Mo Ryan, and Alan Sepinwall's are up now.
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2015/05/18/mad-men-finale_n_7303870.html
http://www.hitfix.com/whats-alan-watching/series-finale-review-mad-men-person-to-person-id-like-to-buy-the-world-a-coke

http://tomandlorenzo.com/2015/05/mad-men-person-to-person/
Tom and Lorenzo's is always interesting.

There are going to be some really thoughtful reviews out today and this week, the ones I posted last night were quick and dirty, except for the Rolling Stone, but this show will be thought about.
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Icy, that wasn't supposed to be a sunrise shot, he's wearing a completely different shirt during the sunrise meditation. I just watched it again on HitFix.

http://www.newyorker.com/culture/cultural-comment/the-original-resonant-existentially-brilliant-mad-men-finale
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http://www.amc.com/shows/mad-men/video-extras/season-07/episode-14/inside-episode-714-mad-men-person-to-person Inside the episode,

http://www.mediaite.com/tv/the-man-who-created-iconic-coke-ad-didnt-even-watch-mad-men-finale/

Nice little video of the guy who actually created the ad. He stopped watching Mad Men because it wasn't as much about advertising as he expect. ;)
Edited by Mariah, May 18 2015, 06:59 PM.
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They could have ended the Peggy scene at the door opening. I guess some fans were just awaiting that kiss so he gave it to them
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I liked the ending. As I said before I'm a sap and I liked the happy endings after so many dark seasons on Mad Men. Sad about Betty (I always liked her too) but it was about that time that everyone started in with the smoking is bad, the Surgeon General warning on packs of cigs, no smoking on tv... so it figures Betty would get lung cancer.
I also liked the conversation with Don and Peggy. I think that was when he realized that he DID have a "home" (ie advertising) and people could care about him. And then he connected with the "dull" fellow and had his epiphany. When he was meditating and got the smile and it turned into the Coke commercial, I thought "Aha... Don went back to McCann, got the Coke account and made that commercial". And I noticed that the girl in the commercial had the same hair as the girl at the registry desk.
I liked that Sally was there taking care of things. She was such a snotty brat for so many seasons, I liked to see that she grew up.
So, there is my take. I'm not Tom and Lorenzo or whoever, but I liked it.
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Me too disco! I liked it more each time I watched it.

They should have NEVER split the season though, and I'm not fond of the way some of the episodes got us there, WAY too much Megan and WAY WAY too much Diana. We get it, she is another mother figure for the motherless abused child Don was, but damn man, we didn't need that much of her to start John's On The Road adventures.

If anyone is interested, here's John Hamm's take:
Jon Hamm Talks About the ‘Mad Men’ Series Finale

http://artsbeat.blogs.nytimes.com/2015/05/18/mad-men-finale-jon-hamm-interview/?_r=0
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Watched the first episode and I was surprised; I didn't recall that Rachel was in the first ever episode. Makes her death more poignant. I wonder if she also died of cancer. Did we hear, I don't remember. Also surprised Betty was in therapy by Episode Two.
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May 19 2015, 02:26 AM
Watched the first episode and I was surprised; I didn't recall that Rachel was in the first ever episode. Makes her death more poignant. I wonder if she also died of cancer. Did we hear, I don't remember. Also surprised Betty was in therapy by Episode Two.
Yes, Rachel had leukemia.
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Weiner is doing an interview at the NYPL today. I wish they would stream it. But I'm sure it will be available. Should be interesting.

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Agree, agree disco and Mariah with your comments above. I liked the finale. There was definitely too much screentime for Megan and especially Diana this season. Good season though.

Good that Joan accepted Roger's money for Kevin and nice line about her ex, Greg. I did agree with Alan Sepinwall (I think) that we didn't see enough of Richard to understand him. He was written inconsistently.

And it's nice to see how Sally grew up a bit. Weird how Bobby never aged in tandem with her, but whatever.

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