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Mad Men
Topic Started: Jan 25 2013, 11:26 AM (11,068 Views)
cccharley
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They replaced the actor who played bobby at least three times I think
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I was just going to add, the kid they had playing Bobby in the second show, when you could really see him, was not the kid who played him last. But Sally and Bobby were only about 2 years apart at that time, and yes, more like 6 years apart in the end. Strange for Weiner to make a mistake like that, IMO. I mean, Sally was in HS a long time, should have been a junior at least meaning 16? So Bobby would be pretty small for 14 -- and with a Dad like Don and male relatives like Betty's, he'd be super stunted for 14.
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I would have barfed if both Joan AND Peggy ended up with the "right man" AND their career dreams being met. It was far more logical and realistic to have at least one of them have to choose, because, in many women's lives? That was, and still is what happens.
I don't think Richard was an ass, he was a grown man who knew what he wanted. Joan was a grown women who did the same thing. Both made the right decision, no villains.



When the whole Peggy/Stan thing happened, I was happy for the shippers, but if not for that? Ugh. Moss acted the hell out of a sappy rushed scene. It was like a romantic comedy, Harry Met Sally, or one of those. So lame. NOT them getting together, because that is logical, and works, the fertile ground was just waiting for that, but the rush of it all honestly didn't work for me.



Which brings me to my biggest problem with the split season of Mad Men. It was a horrible mistake, a stupid idea on AMC's part, which IMO really hurt the show. We didn't need ALL of the pay off in the very last episode! It made me, and I think others, frustrated with Don's wanderings, rather than interested. Keeping the main characters of this show mostly separated for so damn long didn't work for me. I had a hard time enjoying Don's journey because I was too busy being frustrated with both him not knowing about Betty dying, and all of the important scenes played out by phone in a rushed way in the final episode only.



We didn't need THAT MUCH of Diana! One episode could have set Don off on his journey of finding himself. Hell, 3 scenes could have done that! We didn't need that much Megan either. How much more important would the McCann stuff have been if characters could have shared those experiences? Yeah, yeah, yeah, I get it, they are all moving on, won't have each other anymore, BUT NOT RIGHT THEN! I didn't need that to get that it was over for them.



"Tell me your dreams so I can shit all over them!" is the last scene we get with Peggy and Don until a phone call? Really Weiner? It was disjointed and frustrating, and didn't flow, partly because the seasons were split, but also because although we had episodes of brilliance, we also had shit episodes full of people not one person did, or will ever, give a damn about.



Did the last episode work for me? Yes it did, for the most part. Did a few others? Yes, in a way, but it was mostly like eating KFC non stop, without the cold slaw. I wanted something GOOD, more filling, more satisfying. I wanted home cooking with the family, not fast food on the road. I wanted to enjoy their journey's not be sitting here saying "Get the fuck on with it!" until a very rushed final episode.
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I don't think Diana was there just for getting Don on the road. She was there for many other reasons. Of course once again metaphorically. Her abandons her child. Her torment over it and a a few other issues. It certainly wasn't a one off reason to get him on redemption road. Weiner could have had found many other ways to do that including a Megan or Stephanie storyline or a
Business SL. DON always needs a love interest so I guess Diana also fit the bill. I think she had parallel torment to his as well. She wreaked havoc wherever she went ...
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Oh Bobby Draper is 12 IRL born 2002 and 13 next month. He is the 4th Bobby. Sally wS born in 1999 IRL so she is less than 3 years older than Bobby. Not that much off assuming the kids were two years apart Were they 2 or 3 years apart on the show?

As for Joan having a blonde kid it's very possible. I know so many parents who have red or blonde kids and they are dark. It's pretty funny how they usually try to match the kids to the parents exactly when that doesn't happen half the time Irl
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She wasn't a love interest really, she was just more of Don trying to find the love in a brunette that he never had as a child, the wholeness. Nice that he finally found what he needed in a guy during therapy. Something he had always rejected because that "was for weak people." He felt more of a connection/answer with him than he did with any of those woman.

This is very good.
http://birthmoviesdeath.com/2015/05/18/the-annotated-mad-men-don-draper-buys-the-world-a-coke
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Coca-Cola’s history has always been tied deeply with advertising, and through that Coca-Cola has heavily impacted our culture. The modern version of Santa Claus? Invented by the Coca-Cola Company. That’s the level of cultural impact we’re talking about here. And the Hilltop ad would have that sort of impact again.

For Coke, like Don and like America, the times were changing. Coke had long been a white people soft drink; this history began when it was available only at segregated soda fountains in Atlanta and it continued on through the 1950s as Coke assiduously ignored black customers. Rival Pepsi tried to take up the slack and advertised towards the black community, but they eventually gave it up after their product ended being racially defined - Coke was a drink for white people, Pepsi for blacks.

Coke’s whole advertising world was based on whiteness, with Norman Rockwell-ish images of white teens sitting at soda shop counters. That image began to fracture during the Civil Rights era - black protesters sitting in at lunch counters would often be doing so in front of very obvious Coca-Cola signage. By the end of the 60s that image was simply out of date - something new was needed.
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People wrote in to their local Coke bottling plants to say how much they loved the spot. They called in to radio stations and asked to have the song played on the air. It was such a hit that a second version of the song, without references to Coke, was recorded; at one point both versions were on the charts, only spots apart. The sheet music for I’d Like to Buy The World A Coke was the best-selling sheet music of the previous ten years.

The spot was a global hit. Coke had been a global brand since WWII, but this cemented it. And the imagery - the hippy dippy people on a pastoral hill, singing together - was exactly what the world needed to see as the Vietnam War dragged on and as revolutions exploded around the globe. In the United States the Hilltop ad wasn’t just a commercial - it was a vision of a better America. It was a healing moment that played on the TV in between news programs showing dead bodies in Vietnam.

And this is how the ad changed advertising. Coca-Cola isn’t even mentioned in the first six lines of the song. You don’t hear the word “Coke” for the first 25 seconds of the one minute spot. Nobody in the commercial drinks a Coke. They don’t enjoy the product. They just hold it as they sing about bringing the world together.

This is an ad designed to make you like the brand, not to get you to buy the product. This is an ad that is all about rewiring your brain in a way that changes the association of Coke from capitalist, imperialist sugar water to a force for good. It’s designed to make you feel like you’re being a part of making the world a better place by simply buying and enjoying a Coke. This is the ultimate culmination of Don’s speech about the Kodak Carousel way back in the first season finale - you’re not selling the product, you’re selling a feeling.

No other commercial in history did it as well.
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I call it love interest. I should clarify to his fuck buddy for the season brunette although Faye wasn't
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Interesting review, Mariah. I sum up my problem with these last episodes as "I'm the writer; fuck you" syndrome.
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So was Weiner in the episode?

I re watched last night and liked it even more. Tried to make a list of coke references and remember them from prior episodes

It's the real thing. Hahaa just like Don
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http://www.reddit.com/r/madmen/comments/36nd7y/characters_with_the_most_lines_in_mad_men/

This is kind of cool, in it's way. They counted how many lines each character had during all the seasons of Mad Men.
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This is the link to the Matt Weiner interview tonight at NYPL live stream.

http://www.nypl.org/events/programs/2015/05/20/matthew-weiner?nref=56896
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http://www.vulture.com/2015/05/freddy-rumsen-foreshadowed-mad-mens-final-scene.html

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Freddy Rumsen Foreshadowed Mad Men’s Final Scene


He said Ommmmmm first. Another reason why the damn split season sucked.

http://www.slate.com/articles/arts/television/2015/05/mad_men_cinematography_the_10_best_shots_in_its_seven_season_run.html?wpsrc=fol_fb
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The 10 Greatest Shots in Mad Men’s Seven-Season Run
Saying goodbye to the most beautiful series on TV.


Another from Slate about how the series really did nail office life: http://www.slate.com/articles/arts/tv_club/features/2015/mad_men_season_7_part_2/wrapup/mad_men_season_7_reviewed_we_ve_never_had_a_better_depiction_of_the_banalities.html

Grantland agrees: http://grantland.com/hollywood-prospectus/human-resources-work-friendship-and-the-hidden-legacy-of-mad-men/

http://tomandlorenzo.com/2015/05/mad-style-person-to-person/

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For this, our final Mad Style entry, we’re about to get high-falutin’ on your asses. But come on, you would expect no less from us, right? Give us one last chance to utilize all that crap Tom learned in film school.


Weiner did confirm that Don did write the coke ad (in the show obvi)
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These are probably my two favorite reviews, or at least, the author expresses how I feel about things extremely well.

http://www.hollywoodreporter.com/bastard-machine/mad-men-series-finale-what-795406

Linking in that one is this one: http://www.hollywoodreporter.com/bastard-machine/tim-goodman-mad-men-series-796469


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http://imgur.com/a/MhIy1/all

Some cute Peggy/Stan chops. You should get in on this Icy! Ha.
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Those are funny.
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