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| Mariah | Apr 29 2013, 10:31 PM Post #91 |
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I love what the show is doing this season, 1968 was such a crazy/scary/volatile/heartbreaking/shocking/worrisome year, and they are reflecting that so well--it's almost like living through it again. Some favorites: Betty learning to turn off the TV. My mother never did, and I was watching when Oswald was shot. When Dr. King was murdered, I was older. Roger saying "He was a good talker, I thought that might save him..." just nailed that feeling of danger we all had for MLK, and the hopes, especially after his mountaintop speech. The way they handled the riots and fires. I loved Pete yelling at Harry, and frankly, loved that they showed Harry's reaction, which was not at all uncommon. I loved that Trudy didn't cave in to Pete, she's a strong woman, and if he ever wins her back, I doubt that guy will ever cheat again. all of it...so perfect |
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| cccharley | Apr 30 2013, 07:41 AM Post #92 |
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She probably turned it off because she saw Ruby being shot and she was alone. I think Don may actually fall in love with his neighbor. I see her as both a lover and a mother figure. She prays for him. Something that his mother never did or maybe anyone else for that matter. Edited by cccharley, Apr 30 2013, 08:19 AM.
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| weaver | Apr 30 2013, 02:07 PM Post #93 |
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I liked only two scenes, Don in the theater, and Don telling Megan how he feels about his kids. When Weiner brings too much "outside" to the inside, I rarely like the show, which is why I somewhat feared 1968. I find him heavy handed. And what the heck was the Ginsburg kid and his father all about? I'd forgotten all about that character. |
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| Mariah | Apr 30 2013, 02:39 PM Post #94 |
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Weaver, I really loved it, and feel like ignoring that event, and the changes it made in people would have been awful. I totally understand what you are saying though, and get that point of view. To me though, 1968 changed EVERYTHING, and as tumultuous as it was, of course it is going to change the characters on Mad Men as well. Does that make sense? This Huffington post recap put it better...the event did change everything, from the personal to the day-to-day, to history. For show purposes, it would push stories ahead or color them, as it did with Pete and Trudy, a whole new layer to that relationship, it brought things to a head, revealed souls in a way. http://www.huffingtonpost.com/maureen-ryan/mad-men-recap-flood_b_3176604.html
Weaver, you might like this recap, two guys arguing about the show, and though I don't agree with everything they are saying, there is dissatisfaction with much of it, including Ginsberg. http://www.vulture.com/2013/04/mad-men-recap-season-6-martin-luther-king-assassination.html For me though, the show hit me in the heart, and reflected how many things changed forever in that moment...a pretty nice feat to capture those emotions and reactions. ETA, I've been reading a ton of recaps and they are almost all really good. This one tells me something I didn't even consider!
Interesting, so Henry really is a shallow prick after all, no wonder he chose Betty. Edited by Mariah, Apr 30 2013, 05:15 PM.
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| cccharley | Apr 30 2013, 05:54 PM Post #95 |
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can't stop listening http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VIKpko4Ln90 Edited by cccharley, Apr 30 2013, 05:54 PM.
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| Mariah | Apr 30 2013, 06:01 PM Post #96 |
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http://www.themorningnews.org/article/the-night-new-york-avoided-a-riot Another account of the guy Henry insulted preventing New York from having a meltdown, riots, and burnings, and assaults that exploded in many other cities. I keep reading recaps because in about 70 % of them I am learning something new. Paul Newman really was saying that when someone in the audience shouted that out by the way, and they DID take a 10 minute break and then resume. Newman sat down, stunned and speechless. Can't remember which recapper mentioned that. So interesting, so many different reactions to the show, most loved it, but for different reasons. A few agreed with weaver though, one in particular was Brian Moylan, now writing for Hollywood something. Odd, I usually agree with his take on things. |
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| cccharley | Apr 30 2013, 06:38 PM Post #97 |
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I never thought Henry was that sweet. I always thought he wanted Betty as a trophy in a way. I did see him as her rescuer though and he liked that. I don't think any of the characters are supposed to be that cut and dry. There is depth to all of them - even Roger. I think that's the point of showing the many sides of their personalities and how complicated life is and when current events inflict upon these lives or as they say - the best laid plans.....
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| Mariah | Apr 30 2013, 06:57 PM Post #98 |
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I didn't realize he was such an asshole though, and probably would have missed it if I didn't read that article above. |
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| IcyAll | May 1 2013, 01:29 AM Post #99 |
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Personally, the episode was sort of lackluster for me. I wanted to see more of Dawn and what it meant to her. I don't have a memory of the assassination, too young. So I'm surprised to find the history of rioting, which I didn't know about. I guess I'm shallow -- I don't watch the show to see a recap of history; I watch to see the characters and their lives. And yes, we got that, but I felt preached to ...and yet not. I felt bad for Don when Bobby worried about Henry. Oh, here is that last song: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rjsNNcsUNzE Edited by IcyAll, May 1 2013, 02:30 AM.
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| weaver | May 1 2013, 07:00 AM Post #100 |
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Thanks for all the recaps, Mariah. Must say the Henry thing was really puzzling to me. I recalled that Lindsay got kudos for his behavior during those nights, and I could not reconcile Henry's attitude that he was pandering. Now I get it. Well I always thought Henry was a jerk. Only good thing about it, on a shallow note, is maybe we'll get to see the old, gorgeous Betty if Henry runs for a state job. I know Weiner can't avoid the events of 1968, so I guess I wish he'd stopped at 1967! That's my only solution. As I recall I really liked the way they treated JFK's assasination, yes it was there, and it dominated the show, but more subtly. I thought I was being hit by a hammer this episode, OK, here is how Pete feels (and his attitude seemed out of character), here is Harry (usual jerk), Dawn of course is the stalwart employee, Roger is himself (thank heavens), Don is more interested in Sylvia, etc. etc, etc. It's why I'm anxious to see how they treat RFK's assassination. They can't avoid it, but I don't want it to dominate the show. I want more Roger. Slattery is being underused. Less Ginsburg, more Roger. |
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| cccharley | May 1 2013, 08:28 AM Post #101 |
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I love Roger and would also like to see more of him. He's the comic relief on the show. I like Ginsburg and I assume - which I should not with MM- that he will become a bigger character. Dh and I both thought the episode was really intense. Icy = I posted the song too but with some video to it. I'm afraid to start playing it again today since I went to sleep last night and couldn't get it out of my head or fall asleep. |
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| IcyAll | May 1 2013, 12:59 PM Post #102 |
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Sorry, CCCharley! I see that you did! I thought your link was for more Mayor Lindsey, so I didn't click on it! My bad! |
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| Mariah | May 1 2013, 01:11 PM Post #103 |
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I think that's the thing though, everything DID change when MLK was killed, it was a huge catalyst for so many things, at homes, in the workplace, the politics, the huge divide between young and old, and black and white--it began right then. It's almost like the volcano had always been there, but people were only slightly uneasy living around it, then it erupted and the lava, smoke, and fire spewed out and left a new terrain to navigate. I thought Weiner did so well last night because he did make it personal, and he really showed how life does go on, even when it's all different. Some of the characters realize it's all different now, some feel it but don't really get it yet. Most of what he did was so subtle last night, he just perfectly caught the flavor of a momentous moment in history. (Kind of the like smoking and drinking while pregnant ;) ) They can't not deal with Bobby Kennedy's death, because that murder was so soon after, and while MLK's felt like the end of all peaceful racial civil rights and equality hopes, when Bobby was murdered, the divide between generations became a war zone. JFK's death took away innocence, and made the world seem scarier. MLK's and RFK's took away hope, trust, and patience. In many ways they were much more significant in an everyday life kind of way, and certainly politically, and the repercussions from those are still echoing. |
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| cccharley | May 1 2013, 01:33 PM Post #104 |
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I will listen to all of them - I listened with the words - without the words. It's just amazing..........NP I also keep thinking of Don on the balcony and having sexy dreams. He's such an ass but I'd do him in a hot minute. Edited by cccharley, May 1 2013, 01:34 PM.
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| Mariah | May 1 2013, 02:11 PM Post #105 |
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:D ccc! I know what you mean! |
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