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Topic Started: Dec 24 2011, 05:17 PM (64,962 Views)
andme
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Lol, not you in the Buddy Holly plane with the Mom jeans pilot - Ramoaner! Good thing he had his mom jeans all pressed and ready when she anticipated her faux freak out and calked him.

Didn't miss Aviva at all. I don't particularly dislike her that much, but I don't think she adds anything interesting to the show.

Liking Carole so much more lately. I blame friggin no-socks Andy Cohen for dragging out that book storyline and boring me to death.

Preview for next week - Kristen's jug-eared husband appears to once again be a douche.
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lovesnark
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I didn't miss Aviva, either. I forgot she was even part of the cast.

Ramona is awful on WWHL. Just spewing the traumatic childhood crap and the look on Andy's face and his comments say he thinks she's full of shit, too.
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Argh, am I all alone? For me I sort of felt some disappointment in Kristin. Ramona put out her hand and Kristin threw a hissy fit and slapped it away. So it devolved instead of got better. I cannot blame Ramona for that, Kristin seemed to be loving the drama and the chances to throw insults. I'd be pissed, too. But she escalated it instead of … well, it was a clusterfuck. I thought "thank goodness Ramona is reaching out" … and it was half-assed. But knowing Ramona, if you are kind to her she's kind back (and Kristin has watched this show, she should know!) I feel if Kristin had said "you cut my lip" instead of "are you kidding me? That's all?" that it might have gotten to them seeing who could apologize the most instead of who acted worse … I can't think that I would respond well to that response either.

And Ramona has said repeatedly that she was wrong to throw anything; on WWHL she said it would be wrong to throw so much as a cotton ball that she's making no excuses and owning her behavior and that she apologized later when Kristin was in a more receptive mood (read: the cameras weren't around) and that Kristin accepted the apology. So I'm kinda like Heather -- it's over and can we get past it?

Apparently Luann can't. I gotta hand it to her: an Intervention, her idea, guarantees her all the ladies will be there and SO WILL SHE. Way to wedge your way back in, Countless. I was happy to see her a bit, now that she's there and so insistent on her opinion over anyone else's … well, that Ramona lied to Sonja. Oh, and how dare Ramona do something with her time in the Hamptons. I agree with her; what should she be doing? crying? On WWHL she said she comped the wine for the Molly Sims party so since she was there she went with Mario and Avery. I'm thinking if Avery was in the Hamptons, this might not have been a time when Ramona caught him. Would he cheat with Avery around?

And I have to admit, part of my ire with Kristin is because she continues to mock Ramona for her age -- the whole "get over it" thing … I don't think you ever "get over" childhood abuse or seeing your mother beaten by your father. Ramona's brother is still a trauma in her life, so she's not free of her past completely. But we don't see her talk about it, so she's not swimming in it.

I was happy that Sonja did say to Kristin "you knew from the spa that she didn't like to get wet" … exactly. That was planned, IMO. That was Kristin being a bit sneaky and saying to herself "if there's an opportunity, I'm gonna splash her" …

I dislike intensely the whole "this is the country; this is how people act in the country" -- uh, people are people and are individual. I'd love to go to the Berkshires or anywhere EXCEPT the Hamptons, actually, but if I was in the Berkshires, I'd love air conditioning in the summer and I'd not want to swim or get wet …. and Kristin is at an age where wet or dry, she looks good, no make-up? no problem. Ramona, Sonja, Carole … they all need help.

Carole did look great at dinner. And I noticed she was quiet and not agreeing or laughing at Kristin's snide comments which made me appreciate her Switzerland stance.

As with Shopper, I do not let Ramona off for throwing ANYTHING at ANYONE EVER. But I also think Kristin is milking it. Which is a very RH move, so good for her in that, at least.
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dilbert2004
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What is the statute of limitations on being allowed to act horribly and blame it on your childhood? Are you telling me that in her almost 60 years Ramona has not set foot, as an adult, in a woods? You know due to her traumatic woods related childhood. What a heaping pile of bullshit was on display tonight.

And I gotta say, for me, speaking only in terms of annoyance levels, Kristin was coming in a close second to Ramona this show. Ramona threw a plastic stemware that hit you in the face, we got it. Everyone but the two psycho sisters (Ramonja) acknowledged it was wrong and were appalled. Give it a damn rest; harping on it for the whole rest of the trip. Jeebus. As weak as it was, Ramona did apologize to Kristin, not once but twice she actually said the words "I am sorry." That is HUGE for Ramona. Both times Kristin refused the apology and escalated the situation. Doing so, she gives up her claim on righteous indignation.

Don't get me wrong, I am in no way excusing or defending Ramona. Her behavior was reprehensible. I do not know if I can stand watching next week with her screeching over everyone and seemingly not receiving what the gang is trying to communicate to her at the intervention.

And what pisses me off the most is that Ramona is gonna probably get away with all this shit due to everyone wanting to tread lightly because of the Mario situation. How many times have we seen this happen on these shows; someone acts deplorably all season long then when it is reunion time something comes up that makes them untouchable. Camille with Kelsey, Taylor with Russell's suicide, Cow with her son's Autism, etc.. I'm getting sick of it, just once I would like to see one of these bitches taken down. If I have to suffer watching their crazy shit all season I want to revel in their televised comeuppance.
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HA Icy, we must have been typing at the same time. You know what they say about great minds, re: Kristin!
Edited by dilbert2004, May 14 2014, 03:32 AM.
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IcyAll
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LOL, I was so happy to read what you wrote, Dil, I thought I'd be all alone!!
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Vicky is Icky
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Slept on this episode and this occurred to me.

Mona's wine got pond water in it when she got splashed. With her booze rendered undrinkable, Last straw. Hence enraged, she flipped the fuck out and commenced to hurl shit.

She is a alcoholic.
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But she wasn't sorry last week- even last week! I think Kristen had a right to her snippy remark- it wasn't her job to diffuse the Ramona-bomb. When Kristen snipped- "Is that an apology?" Ramona should've answered "Yes. I am sorry." I'm not buying that she's sorry. NOW it was unladylike. She mitigates every apology with 'Who would've thought it would hit her?" and #plasticCup. Now she's embarrassed. I think I'm normally a gracious apology acceptor, but after Ramona's behavior 2 weeks in a row- I'm just tired of her antics. I think Heather's blog nailed her- I think she's a snobby, not even very bright narcissist, and I'm over her- and almost over Sonja.
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Ramona has a pool in the hamptons and if I remember correctly during season 1 she was in that pool getting all wet! Perhaps she didn't dunk her head since she was too vain to be seen on camera without makeup and her hair done. This is when it was long.
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andme
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ITA, her apologies were always cloaked in something else. She is an ass, and she certainly wasn't sorry.

I can only imagine the Federal case Ramona would be making if a glass had cut her lip. Look how she's carrying on about some wet hair.

ETA - in her blog, Ramona said she gave Kristen a shitty apology because she knew she wouldn't accept it. WTF?
Edited by andme, May 14 2014, 08:21 AM.
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I thought her hair looked exactly the same before and after (but I do wear glasses. And I've never quite mastered my own blow-dry).

I thought the apology was a non-apology and that it was really creepy that she was physically hovering over Kristen while K. was reclined and icing her lip. Then, during the apology, Ramona physically reached out to grab K.'s face to look at the cut and K. recoiled. I just don't see it at all as an apology and I don't think that K. was obliged to treat R. as an eggshell-type offender and accept it just because R. is so dysfunctional that she can't apologize cleanly for cutting her.

Sonja was more disturbing to me though. The ranting/shrieking in the woods...she was also not seemingly able to follow the thread of the conversation. When K. tried to explain that she was not to be lumped in with R.'s father (I mean, right? Good GRIEF), Sonja started saying something like, 'She's not alone in this world. She has me.' with a weird look. She's really a horrible mess. And she was such a bitch saying she stopped splashing at 11. That's probably the last time she took responsibility for herself, too. Sonja: K. has nothing to do with the real or enhanced issues of your or Ramona's childhood. NOTHING. And the disturbing lack of empathy was Sonja's in particular - mocking Kristen, using 'provoked,' etc. The language abusers the world over use.

Sonja also straight-up harassed that kid and I thought asking for his number at the end was creepy. She said "I'll take you to heaven tonight" -- if that rings bells it's because "I'll take you to heaven" was part of her patter during her Caburlesque Extravaganza 2013. I'm all for some May-December fun, but I think that 20-year old may have felt obliged to give Sonja attention and his number (which was hopefully actually a number to a local therapist) because of the cameras and because he was working at the time. A relentless 50 year old dude doing the same to a just-turned 20 year old woman would probably be stopped from the pursuit by his friends. Just not a good look.
Edited by Camo, May 14 2014, 09:26 AM.
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Shoppergal
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Interesting point about LuLu and the intervention...when I saw her say that I actually rolled my eyes. What a way to worm yourself into the rest of the season LuLu. I'm taking back my positive opinion of her.

I'd be more in Ramona's corner had she just pulled a Vanderpump and just left. Or she should have just told the that there is no AC, I'm not comfortable after the altercation with Kristen etc.

I will say that I don't think there's any statute of limitations on how your childhood effects you - It doesn't excuse shitty behavior, but it explains it IMO. My childhood was shit, I haven't taken any steps to work through it (ie. therapy) and i fight to keep it not impacting me as an adult. Don't see that changing as I'm working closer towards 40.
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Viktor Frankel, the creator of Logotherapy and a Holocaust survivor, penned one of my favorite quotes. After studying who did and did not survive concentration camps (barring things like disease or execution) he found those who survived shared a trait, being able to control their reactions. He stated, "The only thing we can truly control in life, is our reaction to a situation."

None of us get through childhood unscathed and I am willing to bet that at least half of us had really shitty childhoods that left deep, permanent scars. That may explain our actions, but it does not excuse them. There IS a statute of limitations on using our childhood to allow bad behavior as an adult. If you have made it into your adulthood and still cannot navigate in the outside world due to childhood trauma, then this is a very serious issue that you need help to work through. We never forget the pains we are subjected to in life, nor should we as they are what forms and informs us as people. But there is no reason to subject and project this onto others, society.

Ramona uses her past as a convenient crutch to get her out of situations she either finds herself or puts herself in. We have seen her use her childhood as a positive to impel her to be an independent businesswoman and to instill that ideal in her daughter. I do believe she had a bad childhood, but she rallied enough to become successful in business and, from what we have seen of Avery, as a mother. Her past only seems to have a negative influence over her when it is convenient. She has impulse control and lying issues which may or may not have roots in her past, but need to be addressed now as an adult.
Bottom line for me is, I think Ramona has drinking issues, is spoiled, demanding, inflexible, and uninterested in changing any of these things. Bravo exposed her hypocrisy and fabrication by showing her arrange her flight out of the Berkshires before the walk in the woods meltdown. Why was she so insistent they all start the hike NOW? She had a damn plane to catch and needed to fabricate her excuse ASAP so she could be out of there by her 11:00 flight.

Edited to add: I am using the "royal" we and you in the second paragraph and not pointing fingers at anyone. Just want to make that very clear.
Edited by dilbert2004, May 14 2014, 12:53 PM.
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I think Ramona's issues may/not be from childhood. That lack of impulse control may not have anything to do with her dad's abuse. She does need an intervention/therapy.

I think Luann is just licking her chops at having some fun/camera time at Ramona's expense. She's getting her jab in and getting Ramona back for outing pirate-gate/the Italians on camera.

I think you're right Dilbert - if your childhood interferes with your ability to maintain relationships or get along with other people, then you need to look into resolving those issues/getting closure. My SIL has had a long marriage to my brother. She thinks it's wonderful. Him, not so much. She needs a ton of therapy. If they hadn't had kids, he would have left a long time ago. Their kids are screwed up because of her issues. They (the kids) are all in therapy. She had the kids so dependent on her and convinced that they couldn't live without her or live far away from her. Really she needs them to give her life meaning. She drinks like Ramona too. She had fucked up parents. A really unloving mother who made her feel worthless. She caused so much drama in our family. Still does when she drinks.
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I think Luann coming up with the intervention idea has been brewing for a long time. Ramona has said and done some really shitty things to the Countess over the years and this is her opportunity to strike back and have it documented for eternity.

I believe Ramona is an alcoholic and we've only seen a glimpse of her alcohol fueled crazy. I think she's batshit crazy without any booze but when she's Pinot'd up, the crazy is front and center.

We know she provided the Pinot while they were at Heather's. Kristen commented on it when she was asked whether she wanted red or white wine. I wonder if Ramona would have unleashed the cracken if someone at the table would have asked for Chardonnay or Riesling?

ETA: Fin, we must have been typing at the same time. Great minds and all that :P
Edited by lovesnark, May 14 2014, 01:20 PM.
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