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Topic Started: Dec 24 2011, 05:17 PM (64,936 Views)
Finestra
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Icy I think Heather was even bossy in the apology part. Lol. She sat down and basically told Kristin how to behave without even acknowledging that she acted pretty shittily herself to begin with. Of course Kristin shouldn't have gone there with the marriage but Heather started the whole damn thing with the rappelling and then being rude with the geocaching.

I think the non-apology was just that because she wasn't really sorry.

But Heather got her back about the marriage comments by saying that Kristin was projecting about her own marriage. Heather is one scheming woman.

BTW I watched the breakfast before the whole day and Heather was all "Awesome sounds amazing" about the geocaching before. So I think they all got snookered into thinking it was supposed to be something more than just wandering around in the woods.

Heather has been all over twitter retweeting comments that she was right to be bossy and it's ok. Even last night during the show. Kristen didn't tweet last night except to say that we would see her crying and that the rodeo was coming up.
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I really liked the show. I love Heather, and she IS bossy, but it is what it is, she would not own a company otherwise. Its her personality and take it or leave it. I think she more than makes up for it with her kindness and good friendship. I think when RHofNY was starting, I was hoping to see more women like Heather who seemingly do everything, kids, friends, hubby, company. But on the other hand, without Ramona and Sonja and their silly hijinks, we wouldn't have too much humor on the show.
I do think LuAnn was going through a bad time. I bet she and Jacques had been broken up all summer, and she dated others, but didn't want it known on camera. She doesn't want a "slut factor" thrown into her personality description. All in all for a girl from Bristol, Ct, she did good. Whoever said she need a few grammar lessons is right, but otherwise she really adapted to a social level she was not born into. Kadooz to her. And does she do pilates or yoga, whatever it is that is so wonderful for her posture, everyone should do.
I did love Lulu calling out Ramona for her hostess skills that involve calling other people to do things for them.
Kristen was really projecting. Hubby controls her and she tried to project it on to Heather. That was a no no. My TV is so old I could not see the moles, for which I am thankful. Hubby is a jerk.
And Carole is wonderful. She always has a funny line or two, and seems to adapt well to all environments.
And Montana is magnificent, not for me, but magnificent.

It is kind of funny to think Mario must have been really enjoying the weekend with his stalker. I think the shit hit the fan in the papers not long thereafter. I bet stalker was at the Hamptons' house, that is about as low as you can get.

I never noticed that Mario took over a room when he entered. Josh does because he is a dick and loud and obnoxious and you want to get away from him.
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Finestra
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Weaver ITA probably with your whole post. Although I do think Heather was a mean drunk and was trying to undermine Krisitn on the rock wall and down deep was a little peeved that the whiner accomplished the rappelling.
Everyone was able to do the things that Heather (the ranch bad ass) thought she would be the only one to do. Even Sonja out-rode her when they were culling the calves.

I bet your right about Lu and Jacques.

Loved Sonja's comments about Kristin and Luann bonding over being from CT, "I wouldn't admit that." Lol. So bitter.
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Entirely possible that Heather has assumed the relationship with Kristin that Josh has when K is with him -- that Heather has seen Kristin treated that way, responding to that, and went there. But I can't think of anything Heather did that was wrong. So Kristin's tone was "you're WRONG to be bossy" and that's where the problem is. She's not saying "I feel bossed around by you and it hurts my feelings" -- she's saying "here's a bad quality about you that is part of your marriage" … and letting that idea drip all over Jonathan. I do think Bravo helped Kristin by showing that moment in the Hamptons when Heather told Jonathan to stay out of the argument and he subsided.

But trying to make a woman apologize for knowing who she is and NOT being a doormat is horrible. I can't justify that in any way. And I do think Kristin, for all her "just own it", was trying to say "you're a horrible person, but that's okay because you CHOOSE to be that way and I'm pro-choice!" …. sort of.

In a way I'm seeing a parallel between Heather on this show and Heather in the OC -- both do have strong self-control and trust in their own ideals and both give hints at times that they think the other women can be stupid. Heather did show that during the non-apology. But I don't need them to be perfect, I guess, because I do think Kristin was being stupid … and mean. So I sort of agree.

BTW: I forgot -- anyone else hear the guy say "Settle down, ladies" as the women went up to the stands at the rodeo? Someone had just asked "I wonder if there's a VIP section?" … and with cameras following them (look at that poor man who came out of the chemical toilet!) they must have presented quite the picture.
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If you're sort of drunk like that after lunch, after repelling- I think it's Heather's right to not have to fully participate ;) I felt bad for Kristen in general and that she was crying- but it was more of her own doing. Heather HAS to be bossy to run her business and navigate all of ?Jax? Jett? that cute little Boy's surgeries and Health issues. Kristen needs to be more assertive, definitely. Heather said Kristen pays her Nanny to sleep over but then Kristen wakes up with the kids!!??? Sonja and Ramona really don't wish anyone well except themselves- this is a recent opinion of mine. With Ramona it's always been so(to me), but to Sonja it is more recent. It's being a rude Guest to tell a younger Woman she's a shitty hostess. Make suggestions, take her under their wing- I think Ramona and Sonja are thrilled when the other have aspects of failure- Sonja was never like that before- but she especially is with Luann.

I can't get over Ramona re: the stuff about Mario in comparison to douchy Josh and Heather's Jon. You know she won't answer any of that at the reunion either! Ramona and Sonja never come clean. Sonja spins a fairy tale on her blog every week, still. They really do think they are better than all of the others.
Edited by ranjake, Jul 2 2014, 12:23 PM.
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Kristin may be whiny and geocaching may be boring, but that doesn't excuse Heather's behavior while doing it. Luann and Carole could do it with manners, and Heather should've been able to do so.

I think Heather's "wrong" is that she wouldn't acknowledge that she was being a rude bitch on the geocaching. She was mocking toward Kristin and said some pretty hateful things including the "But I'm Pretty" and the jabs about crying on the rock wall and that Kristin didn't do it and why did she do it anyway. She wasn't being supportive of an event that her friend had planned. And then when her friend went and corralled her back in, she was even ruder. She can blame it on the drink. But she was vicious in her comeback to the bossy claim.

Kristin was out of line with bringing the husband into it later at dinner and she owed an apology for that which she doesn't do a good job of on the trip. But I just don't think Heather will ever admit that she has done anything to offend anyone. Kristin does in her blog.
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Ranjake I think this will be an interesting reunion. I think Kristin was asking Ramona if she went to far with the Jonathon statements, and Ramona grabbed onto it like a baton in a relay and went crazy. If they show that clip on the reunion and juxtapose it with a question about "how do you feel about that now knowing that Mario was cheating on you at the same time?" Ramona's head will explode.

Kristin diffuses it in her blog, Heather had not seen Kristin's blog, so I bet Heather ripped her to shreds at the reunion for bringing her husband into it. Kristin can't argue with someone with skills like Heather.
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I thought it was okay to wander around drunk, and not be all in (sometimes it's all you can do :) I thought she was more rude after- when she sobered up a little and saw that Kristen was upset. yeah- with the rock wall- I agree. Luann was such a good sport with everything, and so was Carole- I agree. I think it was a combo of everything. I also agree that it's REALLY okay to be scared of repelling and then do it anyway!

Finestra- I love this season- still love this franchise- I HOPE it's a good reunion! Nothing I want to get answered ever does by the people I want to answer it! I think Ramona will shrug off her nasty comments and if they press on Mario she'll cry and walk off- as usual...
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Finestra
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I think it was fine to wander too until Kristin started calling for her to come back. Then it was either suck it up or explain to Kristin that she was too drunk and tired. Not get all, "I don't want to do this stupid stuff."

I love this season too. It's fun.

I know a lot of people don't like Kristin for her whiny ways, but she adds a lot. Her marriage is a big problem. She tangles and engages. Sonja hates her now. (see the media thread).

Carole and Heather are in a huge love-fest which is going to either implode or bug the hell out of everyone else at some point.

Luann has been great.

Sonja is losing touch and losing friends. She lost Luann this year. Next year if Kristin is back, she is totally going to give her the Cindy Barshop treatment.

And then Ramona. Whatever. The same old, same old.

Goodbye Aviva.
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Freely
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This season has been fun. However I think they spent too much time in Montana, though it was a gorgeous setting and Bravo sure showcased that expensive place. But I missed seeing the hos in New York and the Hamptons!

It was nice to see them without Aviva. I agree Finestra, I think she's going to be out after this season.

Kristen is whiny. I don't know why she chooses to argue with her husband and demean him on camera. I get it, he's a dick, but she is doing her family no favors.
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Freely there was a Gawker link for the OC recap and the author theorized that Kristin actually came on the show just to show the world what a dick Josh was. lol.
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I would pay some young man to make the ewwww face at Sonja when she does her fish lip face and comes on to them. We get it, Sonja. You're still desirable. I'm just tired of seeing it every week. Put some of that energy into paying off the people you fucked out of millions instead. You know, with some of that tens of millions you allude to in your blog.

I was fully expecting Ramona or Sonja to jump into the Kristen/Heather feud and blurt out that Kristen went off because she's married to a dick and has no control or say so in her marriage. I guess they weren't drunk enough.

Yeah, Ramona. Mario makes his presence known when he walks into a room. He's looking for his next side piece. You just know she's going to storm out of the reunion if the cheating is brought up.
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You know Lovesnark brings up a good point. Has Ramona not seen what a dick Josh is? Or is Ramona only offended by the women too dependent on the husband.
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Finestra
Jul 2 2014, 07:44 PM
You know Lovesnark brings up a good point. Has Ramona not seen what a dick Josh is? Or is Ramona only offended by the women too dependent on the husband.
When they were having their bonding session after Kristen left the table, Ramona commented on how Josh commands a room like Mario does. Makes me think she's spent some time around him. Kristen is the woman Ramona claims to be offended by. Dependent on a dick of a husband to support her.
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Jul 2 2014, 12:35 AM
Is Carole doing research for a book on Annie Oakley? I can think of no other explanation for her wardrobe. She raided the set of Gunsmoke?

Sonja's vagina is always on attack.

Lu is the only one who didn't bug me the last two episodes.
Carole's costumes were embarrassingly crazy or at least I was embarrassed for her, but then Luann had on fringe suede pants at the rodeo and huge turquoise necklace that was probably fake. It worked, but I did laugh at the fringed suede pants. Let's face it, Luann can wear anything and look amazing.

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They (Sonja and Ramona) really do think they are better than all of the others.

Probably because for a long time, they were better than most of the others. I'm thinking of Aviva, Cindy Barshop, Silex, Kelly, and Bethenny.

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