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Topic Started: Dec 24 2011, 05:17 PM (64,880 Views)
Mariah
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Ramona blurting that out on television was typical Ramona, and it's why, after all this time, she still has a job. You never know what she will say or do, and usually, it's something true and not made up. She saved that little bit of disgusting information for this show. I can't help it, I love her for stuff like this. (As someone who watches this show for those real moments, as a friend I would be pissed!)

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Why is saying I shoved viagra down my throat and effed her for 6 hours more vulgar than peeing in a bucket or repeating how many effs you don't have. Or Luann bringing the married guy back to the house for the night of fun in St. Barths. I don't really get the difference. Maybe if he were good looking he wouldn't offend so much?


I think what John did is worse. I don't think it's just because I find him physically repulsive, and actually, if he behaved in a less sleazy/slimy/childish way? I don't think I WOULD find him gross physically. It's not looks alone for me, it's the whole package. So, let's just imagine John's body and face, but the humor and decorum of Anderson Cooper, Morgan Freeman, or Tom Hanks. (pick your choice of men here, as long as they are nice guys, or funny, or have good manners)

In other words, it's how he ACTS that skeeves me out. You don't have to have looks, and you don't have to have charm, humor, or education, but you damn well better have one or the other. I can't think of one thing this dude has other than money, and apparently a lot of Viagra.


Anyway, back to why I think what John did was worse. Luann and the married guy chose to have their little fling, two adults, maybe wrong, probably, but under their own control. We have no idea what the Johnny Depp guy's marriage is like, maybe it's open, maybe it's on the rocks, whatever. So, they were in control of that, their choice.

Peeing in a bucket on camera? Honestly, it's so weird that the hotel didn't have a bathroom in the dressing room for a bride during the wedding. Still, totally under Bethenny's control, her choice to let the cameras capture that. (Also, the scene didn't bother me at all, I could see something like that happening to a pregnant bride, I sort of like that Bethenny didn't care if they filmed it, but I can certainly see why others were offended.)

The John thing? He's talking BEHIND Dorinda's back, sharing private sexual things about her, bragging about "fucking her" (not "doing" her, Ramona said that she cleaned that up.) after getting blotto with her, and downing enough Viagra for 6 hours of fucking her brains out. To a large group of people! Totally not her choice to have that divulged to her friends and acquaintances, behind her back.

Of course, Ramona was a very bad friend to put that on TV so now everyone knows. Maybe she thought it would be the tough love truth that would finally force Dorinda to sober up, or maybe the veteran RHNY star knew it was perfect for this show, and that she could play dumb later and apologize.

Honestly, if I picked up a guy on vacation and got caught on camera? MY bad. If I pee'd on camera? MY bad. If my boyfriend was sharing details of my sex lives with groups of people at parties? Oh hell. He'd be GONE. Not MY bad. HIS bad. See you buddy, goodbye.

I mean her daughter can't stand him, that should at least give her pause, but I think sex and the endless drinking they indulge in, as well as his bankroll, is enough for Dorinda. Lushes are like that.

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Mariah the four seasons is a restaurant- not a hotel. The hotel is a different place. Did I post the article here about it closing or just on Fb?
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Edited by cccharley, Apr 14 2016, 06:44 PM.
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Thanks ccc. I'm sure real wedding venues would have a better set up.
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Both BH and NYC has used the device of the wives explaining what happened to their husbands later - but also of giving too much air time to the boyfriends. I never want to see John again. He's a famewhore like Simon, but not as interesting.
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I find John really unappealing too. Like look at him and crinkle your nose. I think he probably does a lot of drugs/drinking because he is red and sweaty. He doesn't have that endearing quality of Joe Giudice who is also sweaty a lot and red faced. But he was sweet to Dorinda in the dry cleaners. But the preview. Wow. Bethenny was alluding to drug use. Now NYC big spenders still play in Coke a lot. So I don't think these ladies are so shocked by it. But Bethenny going there on TV while using John currently for dry cleaning of her "moth" problem? I would be a little hesitant to let him into my apartment with dry cleaning agents. Not a good move for John to come on the show out his mind on drugs/drinking.
Edited by Finestra, Apr 15 2016, 09:43 AM.
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I just watched Bethenny and Ramona confront Dorinda and alls I can say is that they are horrible people. Whether they are right or wrong about John, they were way out of line. Terrible, horrible people. Bethenny is out of her mind and out of control. Dorinda needs to start giving zero fucks and start dropping Bethenny bombs like Bethenny is dropping about her and John. "Rapist dater, coke user, bulimic, correctol," and whatever dirt she has on Bethenny's divorce. We'll see how zero fucks Bethenny gives then. I am sure they all have non-disclosures on bethenny's life in their contracts.
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Wow, Finestra, I had such a different reaction!

Agree Ramona was a bitch to bring that up in public, but John is just so odious to Bethenny, I don't mind her speaking up. Also, I think she's right.

Dorinda is looking like an out of control lush to me right now, and I don't think John is what she needs (another drunk.) It reminds me of Kim Richards and Ken.
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What I thought was the worst was Bethenny's delight at John being pissed.

And Ramona constantly smirking and looking for the camera.

Two sad people desperate for air time.

Bethenny needs to get off of John's jock.

Oh great...she's bringing up her personal bills again. Just another way to bash Jason.

Good for Jules for actually being a friend to Dorinda. Bethenny couldn't stand it that Jules wouldn't gossip with her. She's "special needs" because she doesn't agree with you? I thought Bethenny was going to shove the entire bag of popcorn down her gullet.

ETA - I really liked Bethenny saying "I have an ugly mug and newscaster hair. ". It's a shame she can't be like that more often.


Lol...and with the previews we're back to reality. Shoving food in her mouth while yelling at Jules and her husband about their house.

Edited by andme, Apr 20 2016, 11:01 PM.
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OMGosh Andme. I'm NEVER TeamBethenny- but I am 8000% on her side on this one. Her defending her business to John's nonsense- and so perfectly- that's the Bethenny I've missed- loved it so much I'm watching again. I hate him for ruining my favorite name :) but that John is bad news. I guess I'm naive- I had no idea you could be that out of shape and that John's age and do cocaine. I know Bethenny was just alleging- but...

Even the stuff he was saying to Dorinda in the car- alienating her from old friends, not owning his part at all (because I feel like it's obvious that he made the demeaning Viagra remark in front of Ramona's friend)- and how Dorinda was cringing from him in the hotel room- it seems like a really bad, borderline abusive relationship to me. No dry-cleaning is worth that much.
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But none of it is Bethenny's business and to throw around accusations of drug use is despicable. Especially since everyone is handcuffed based on some ridiculous contract that Andy Cohen signed with her.

I'm not defending John's actions, but Bethenny started this fight and no one is allowed to fight back. No wonder Bethenny was saying "I'm so happy right now" in the middle of the fight.

Loved the Ramona had to run her apology by Bethenny to get her approval.
Edited by andme, Apr 21 2016, 12:01 AM.
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I'm with you ranjake!
http://www.bravotv.com/the-real-housewives-of-new-york-city/blogs
Although I only watched it once, because it's The American's night, and I just watched what I think is perhaps the best episode on TV EVER. For reals, it was so good. I don't think I drew a full breath in over an hour.
Edited by Mariah, Apr 21 2016, 12:43 AM.
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Going to watch "The Americans" now :) I think John started it with Bethenny- and Dorinda is such a drunk now :( I'm so sad- she can rarely speak without slurring- I'm a Widow, too- so I get it and I'm concerned.

I would agree that Ramona was out of line, strengthened by Bethenny for the pile on. If Ramona was one of my best friends, though, I would've wanted to know privately- but the next day. Apparently, John has a pattern of speaking to Dor deragatorily (only Lu and Sonja are still on his side). I just think he's BAD news- and he fights way below the belt.
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Pay attention to what William says to Philip, I think it's going to be VERY important very soon, just a hunch.
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Apr 20 2016, 10:33 PM
What I thought was the worst was Bethenny's delight at John being pissed.

And Ramona constantly smirking and looking for the camera.

Two sad people desperate for air time.

Bethenny needs to get off of John's jock.

Oh great...she's bringing up her personal bills again. Just another way to bash Jason.

Good for Jules for actually being a friend to Dorinda. Bethenny couldn't stand it that Jules wouldn't gossip with her. She's "special needs" because she doesn't agree with you? I thought Bethenny was going to shove the entire bag of popcorn down her gullet.

ETA - I really liked Bethenny saying "I have an ugly mug and newscaster hair. ". It's a shame she can't be like that more often.


Lol...and with the previews we're back to reality. Shoving food in her mouth while yelling at Jules and her husband about their house.

I'm with you. All I thought of in the entire episode is SHUT UP BETHENNY. It isn't all about her.

I don't like John but the attacks on him on camera are out of line. So he is vulgar and maybe does some cocaine. Isn't that SOP in that crowd?

Andme, I was disgusted too about the mention of the legal bills. Open your jewelry safe again Bethenny and I might feel sorry for you.

Yeah, Jules should have piled it on over the phone, knowing she was on camera, just to satisfy Bethenny. Otherwise she's dumb and special needs.

Bethenny must have gotten half the air time last night. Hope LuAnn and Sonja get a bit more when they are full on HW's.

I like Jules husband. Et tu Bruti, lol.

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