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| Mariah | Oct 1 2012, 04:32 PM Post #2251 |
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As much as I hate grown ups talking about bullying, watching that last night was a classic case of gang mentality and bullying. The "gang" pushed each other into more atrocious behavior, and since each comment was received with more and more immediate support, it kept getting uglier. One of my favorite messages from To Kill A Mockingbird, which also has come in handy in my own life at times, was when Atticus explains to Scout that you can't reason with a mob, you have to individualize them, address single people by name, don't engage with the mob as entity. What I watched last night was an example of that. The "Atticus" were some viewers, but that out of control, self propelling mob couldn't see us or hear us, so they just kept going and going, thinking they were so cool and "winning" while Andy let them completely humiliate themselves, and show their true selves. Cold light of Atticus will hit them in the coming days. They should be completely embarrassed, but will they? |
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| IcyAll | Oct 1 2012, 04:39 PM Post #2252 |
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I think most of us wound up here (eventually) through the TWOP boards and the shutting down of the RHONY thread, yes? Maybe a few from other places, but most of us via TWOP, I think. But how did we find TWOP? For me it was via a search for a recap of an episode of ALIAS and I found the recaps there ... and the rest is herstory. However, for people who don't know about other message forums (and my dentist's asst. is one of them), the Bravo boards are IT. Of course, there would be a board spectrum of people, but the style is either moderated or not. Here we do it ourselves (take THAT, M64), at TWOP they have the rectum police, but at Bravo I never see anyone stepping in. They must, but who is it and what is over the top there? |
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| Mariah | Oct 1 2012, 04:44 PM Post #2253 |
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I found TWOP through a mineral make up board. Someone posted excerpts of the hilarious recaps of The Bachelor that the original recapper was doing in those first seasons. I went over to read them all and even ended up watching that stupid show so I could enjoy the recaps more. So done with that place now though, I don't think the posters are smarter, or more polite, the daggers are just sneakier. The conversation is completely stilted now as well, a good example was not being able to even mention Russell's suicide until it aired. Edited by Mariah, Oct 1 2012, 04:45 PM.
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| Cosmocrush | Oct 1 2012, 04:46 PM Post #2254 |
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I like that too Willy. We all seem to understand [most of the time] it's just a reality show and it's just the ho-wives. Besides, if everyone felt the same this would be a fan site not a fun site. I'd say it's tough to get more disgusting then telling someone they are whoring out their 10 year old but then I found the montage with FAKE sobbing the equally gross.
Ha!!! I forget who first posted this but I flove it and I'm using it from now on. I wanted to say that I never thought Katfish was unattractive - except for the hair and the clothes but last night she kind of looked like a drag queen to me with her big fake face. Edited to make sense by including the quote from Willy.... several posts from when I opened the reply window and when I posted made this look jarringly out of place. :$ Edited by Cosmocrush, Oct 1 2012, 08:14 PM.
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| WillyWonka | Oct 1 2012, 05:09 PM Post #2255 |
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This is a prime example of why I don't like Teresa. http://www.bravotv.com/the-real-housewives-of-new-jersey/season-4/videos/melissa-sings-for-teresa Instead of just saying "She sounds nice" or something, she has to go on and on about how she should have sang the entire song. I cannot tell you how much I wish Melissa had said "I'll sing the entire song right now if someone brings you a laptop and you write your blog while I do it." |
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| Mariah | Oct 1 2012, 05:22 PM Post #2256 |
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I don't like any of them. I don't know women like this, and if I did, I would never be around them. They are embarrassing examples of women being displayed to millions of people each week. BUT, I hate bullies and gangs more than almost anything, so lately, I side with Teresa. Only because of that though, and I think Bravo dug up that "former boss" and colluded with other wives to set up Teresa for that whole thing. It's what Bravo does. |
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| IcyAll | Oct 1 2012, 05:45 PM Post #2257 |
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Tree didn't sound bad, but she didn't sound good. I think if Missy had dared to sing, she would have proven she's the same and is helped by auto tune. But so what? Most artists are helped by auto tune now. I have this debate all the time in photography, that some older photographes think using Photoshop is cheating and that the photographs that come straight from the camera are best. But the camera is a machine and there are too many, they vary. So you correct those problems or deficiencies with Photoshop - in the same way they fix the recorded voice, which has gone through a machine, with auto tune. I don't mind it at all. But I think Tree doesn't know how common it is and with her push for "authentic", she thinks less of Missy for her not being as good live. In the same vein, Missy and the other HWs think Tree hasn't written her blogs because she puts them through a "machine" (aka ghost writer) to clean them up and make sure they make sense and have good grammar. I do believe she writes her blogs, but then they're put through a word auto tune. This is not new to Tree, whose cookbooks were probably fixed, too -- and it was probably explained to her that it's always done or the publishers will reject the books. Everyone knows about editors and expects them as part of being published, right? There's even a cache to saying "My editor needs the last chapters by Friday" or such. So when they said "who writes your blogs" -- well, she does. They're just fixed up pretty later ... ETA: I feel like I have a bad case of "know it all" today -- forgive my tone. The above is just my opinion. ;) |
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| cccharley | Oct 1 2012, 06:20 PM Post #2258 |
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Eh I don't think the rest of the Ho's would have even questioned the blogs but not for "us" fans who questioned it first. I think they got that straight off the internet. Tre was mean when she said that to Missy. She meant to be mean and snark. She couldn't give a damn about her song. She just wanted to stick it to her. I doubt she even wanted her to sing the whole song at all. It is what it is. They hate each other and she found a loophole and used it. Not saying Missy wouldn't do the same. Just in this particular scene she did it to score points and hurt. She is not a nice person. I hope this doesn't run off onto her 4 girls. |
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| ryebread | Oct 1 2012, 06:36 PM Post #2259 |
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I agree. It's what Bravo does. However, watch clips from Season 2 Reunion and it was a HUGE gang up on Danielle with Teresa as the ringleader. I wish I could find the clip, but that was also the reunion that Teresa threw Andy into a chair, went after Danielle and had to be restrained by Andy and Caroline and the producers. While Caroline was trying to calm her down, Teresa was making these horrible, guttural ANIMAL sounds that turned me off her forever. Like, this is one.crazy. bitch. Deep DOWN crazy. I wish I could find that clip. Then when she started with Danielle at the fashion show and earned her Silverback moniker. This was all after the table flipping. When she was flipping the table, even though she did it with kids in the room, it was still kind of "Wow, what a fiery little Italian we have here!" But start making animal noises and charging like a wild gorilla and all bets are off. Willie, that example is a VERY good one of why, I believe by the end of this reunion she's going to lose a lot of her fan base. Again. |
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| WillyWonka | Oct 1 2012, 06:38 PM Post #2260 |
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Tree must not be pushing too hard for authentic if she's using a ghost writer for her blogs. And what that person is doing is much more than fixing up her spelling and grammar. |
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| WillyWonka | Oct 1 2012, 06:47 PM Post #2261 |
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Your wish is my command! http://starcasm.net/archives/63157 For everyone going about Rosie yelling backstage at the reunion, it seems like that behavior does run in the family. Teresa's rant towards Danielle sounds a LOT like Rosie's towards Teresa. Not to excuse Rosie's behavior but Teresa acted exactly the same herself a few years ago. |
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| Mariah | Oct 1 2012, 06:48 PM Post #2262 |
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I saw her make those noises so I know what you mean. They are all just so....ugh. I think Teresa talks into a mic and gets everything she wants to say on tape, sends it to her "editor" and the blog comes from that. Cleaned up, but her ideas, responses, and intent. |
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| ranjake | Oct 1 2012, 07:11 PM Post #2263 |
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If the blogs are all her- and I guess it's possible- then I think she's a very good writer- so....I'm just not sure. Those blogs hit EVERY single point and pander to her fan base without being obnoxious. I guess my personal belief is and has been this year that she has major help with her blogs- and I thought it was one of the smartest things she's done- if that's what she's done. I think a large reason she's become a fan favorite is because those blogs literally explain everything. Even if the things in the blog are clearly not true or one-sided- they're written so well that even I start believing it's all true- that it happened exactly that way. If Tree has an unscripted appearance- she can't convince me of anything- in the blogs- I buy everything. maybe she's just good with the written word- but it's a stretch- just for me |
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| Mariah | Oct 1 2012, 07:18 PM Post #2264 |
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True. It's possible that her editor also watches the show and prepares a list of topics for Teresa to address. I really think Teresa just talks into a microphone though, possibly addressing the questions. Then it gets majorly cleaned up and typed. I just can't see Teresa actually typing or even handwriting anything, the tape recorder makes more sense to me. |
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| WillyWonka | Oct 1 2012, 07:26 PM Post #2265 |
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I think I said it here before, I picture Teresa watching the episode and then calling the ghostwriter and ranting and raving into the phone for an hour. Somehow the ghostwriter has to 1) decipher all of the Teresa-isms (I can just picture it, the ghostwriter muttering to herself "WTF are ingredientses???") 2) remove all of the "hello's!" 3) try to reword all of the references to Caroline's blubber and 4) somehow try to spin everything so that Teresa comes off looking like a saint. In "her" blogs, Teresa owns up to her bad behavior sometimes but when she's interviewed on TV about it, she insists she's done nothing wrong. Total BS. |
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