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| WillyWonka | May 7 2012, 10:25 AM Post #286 |
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Me, too, at least on this issue. And the whole going away/going to jail thing? If Teresa really doesn't want to talk about it then she wouldn't be selling pictures and stories all about it to In Touch.
You know, seeing her on CA really opened my eyes to something with regard to Teresa. I always knew she wasn't the sharpest crayon in the box but CA made me see how truly dumb she is. And in a way it made me understand her behavior on RHONJ a lot better. I think her "C'mon, hello?" isn't deflection, it's just what she says when she can't articulate a logical thought process. In the boardroom, when Teresa kept saying that her and Aubrey ran the whole project Arsenio kept asking Teresa "What did you do?" and Teresa would reply "Aubrey and I..." When he pressed her and said "Not Aubrey, you. What did YOU do?" she stammered and reverted to her "C'mon, hello!" We saw it during the parking lot fight on RHONJ, too, when she resorted to saying "Ask Kim, she's been here listening the whole time!" It's why she keeps telling Melissa to talk to JoeGo and gets so mad when Melissa says "If you want him to know something, you talk to him!" Teresa can't put together a full, logical sentence and deep down, she knows it. That said, all of Jac's running back and forth was ridiculous. What is this, 5th grade? Why not pass notes back and forth with yes/no check boxes? And Caroline never bothered me as much as she bothered others until last night. It was disgusting how she talked to and about Lauren and how she allowed the boys to do the same. |
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| Finestra | May 7 2012, 11:29 AM Post #287 |
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A little pot calling the kettle black with calling Teresa a bully. That is going to be Caroline's theme for the season - Teresa is a bully. Not that Jax is a shit stirrer by stopping Teresa from leaving. Bullying was a big issue here in NJ when they filmed this as the Tyler Clemente case was in the news (a college student who jumped to his death after his roommate posted him having sex with a guy on the internet) and the State passed an anti-bullying law. I guess Caroline forgot her behavior at the reunion. Last week when Melissa sang her ballad to JoeGo, he had no idea what a ballad was until she started singing. JoeGo and Teresa have serious language issues - Teresa forgetting that she told her brother in "confidence - what's the word, is that the word?" I think what Teresa said was wrong, but Joe was a pissant for telling Melissa and I agree that he told her to be reassured that she won't leave him. Melissa's storyline is clearly the shit upon SIL who has reached her boiling point and is justifiably ready to explode, Caroline and Kathy have both told us the same thing. I liked Rosie. She stuck her nose in, but ended it with "use twos need to get together and talk, to each other." Caroline is a piece of shit when it comes to mothering Lauren. I can't believe she didn't smack Albie, bc I am sure she has smacked those kids before. It makes me wonder if they created this storyline for Lauren so that they would all have airtime this season and got Bravo to pay for the weight loss. I think Kathy kept her mouth shut at the table when Melissa was so "innocently" spouting off about "going away" vs. "going to jail." Kathy knew Melissa was wrong on two counts IMO: 1. Teresa probably asked them not to talk about it; and 2. they say going away so that when the kids hear it, they don't automatically think prison. Teresa is too stupid to realize they have all been talking about it on air when she isn't around. Edited by Finestra, May 7 2012, 11:30 AM.
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| WillyWonka | May 7 2012, 11:43 AM Post #288 |
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Teresa must also be too stupid to realize that she put it all out there herself when she sold photos WITH her children and stories to the tabloids about it. http://www.realitytea.com/2011/06/17/teresa-giudice-reveals-she-has-anxiety-about-hubby-joe-going-to-prison/ She really thinks her kids and/or the public will hear about it only because of Melissa or Kathy???? |
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| Velvet | May 7 2012, 11:54 AM Post #289 |
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Yes. This exactly. I don't think Teresa was in the wrong for the sentiment of wanting to warn her brother about something. Of course I think the facts leading up to this were stupid: "someone/ people told me" - if there was legitimate proof, i.e. this was Melissa's 7th marriage and she did husbands 1-6 like this, then yes, say something. Or if she heard something true like Melissa was hanging all over some guy at a club, etc. But I think Teresa speaks first and thinks later. I wouldn't feel bad about warning my brother. I've treaded lightly in the past with it but I have had heart to hearts with my brother during one weird rocky time of his marriage, and we did keep that confidence because it would have been hurtful to my SIL. She got over her beef and we all moved on from it. I actually vented to my other brother and said the shit I really wanted to say and that made me feel better because he agreed, but that doesn't work when there's just 2 siblings. We shouldn't underestimate how close Teresa and Joe Gorga were growing up - and we shouldn't underestimate how hurt she may be at how they've grown apart. In the right marriage - the spouse would honor and respect those sibling relationships. (Look how it's been mentioned Joe Gorga and Giudice were such good friends in the early days.) I have a feeling Melissa didn't do that. It's normal and natural for marriages to not blend into the family well and for that closeness between siblings to change - but it doesn't mean that you can erase or forget 20 years in history where that sibling was your BFF and you were punching each other in the backseat of the station wagon on family trips, or climbing out on the roof of the house in a snowstorm, or your brother carried you home from the playground when you fell and got hurt. Sorry, this one just hits home for me more because I've watched something very similar unfold in my family. It's taken almost 10 years to shake out but in the process everyone went through a time of being treated like shit by my brother because of how he was being manipulated. |
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| ranjake | May 7 2012, 12:27 PM Post #290 |
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Teresa didn't say there was any truth in it, though- she said Melissa "struck her as that kind of girl" and if she goes to nightclubs "she might meet someone better with more $$" and cheat. I understand, Velvet- if you've been thru this- it must read different to you- but there's no more evidence Melissa will cheat than that Teresa will cheat (I hope Teresa DOES get some no drama good guy that isn't "Juicy" in a way!). I'm sure Joe and teresa were extremely close- but I think husband and wife has to be the relationship that trumps all other "family". Just my opinion. I don't believe she said this to be kind to her brother. She said she knew he was insecure. Then her answer to Melissa was "he should be confident!" |
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| IcyAll | May 7 2012, 01:02 PM Post #291 |
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There are a lot of histories and personalities and functionalities at work here. I think Teresa got very cozy in her role as "older, smarter sister" who protected her little brother (and his physical size probably kept him in that position -- if he'd gotten taller, maybe she'd have let go of the reins a bit?) So his marriage didn't have the stop sign power it could have had, especially because Melissa is who she is. They all need therapy, LOL! I was trying to think of one smart housewife in any of the franchises and could only come up with Lisa Vanderpump, but I may be fooled by the English thing. But the crew in NJ really, really takes the cake. Aside from the stupidity of saying yes to being on a reality show (which is a national hole in the brain cells situation), it seemed no one at that table in Tom's River could read the cookbook out loud -- to the point that one of Melissa's sister's husbands had to read aloud. And you know they'd all love being the center of the camera's attention, so they REALLY don't want to appear as unintelligent as they must be. Teresa's gotten very aware of that -- I think she was asking the camera crew "is that the right word?" -- but Melissa didn't know, so she just moved the conversation along ... Anyway, Velvet, I feel the same way -- I am an older sister to four brothers and I babysat them a lot and they looked up to me. That started to fall apart as they got older and it was painful for me, because they needed to knock me down to assure themselves that I didn't know everything. So where before my advise or just opinion was considered, now it was automatically wrong. I think baby Joey is trying to find a new alpha female in his wife and so he has to "destroy" Teresa. But he remembers and knows how much she loves him, so he goes back and forth ... and stops every once in a while to chase the pretty shiny fame object. He's like a baby Frankenstein or a Mongo (from BLAZING SADDLES) -- he knows his master wants FAME, so sometimes he's distracted and starts to chase it. He was acting like a complete idiot on WWHL last night, because he was hypnotized by the shiny lights, IMO. |
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| ISH | May 7 2012, 01:16 PM Post #292 |
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Mongo! That perfectly describes JoeGo. When Andy had him acting like a performing monkey, you could see Melissa cringing. Trying to get him to NOT attempt the split. I think he enjoys the spotlight more than Melissa does. I think deep in his liittle baby brain he is loving the conflict between Melissa and Teresa over him. It proves he is loved. |
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| Velvet | May 7 2012, 01:27 PM Post #293 |
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Ranjake - that's what makes it wrong I think - that she has no truth to back it up. If she did have some truth that she knew, I wouldn't fault her for saying something. It's that old thing among friends - you know or see your friend's bf or husband cheating on her - do you tell? I always felt I would and if the friendship went awry because of it then it was a testament to the person and at least I'd know I did the right thing, but it depends on each situation. In this case with a sister and brother, shoot, I really don't see if Teresa knew something as fact that she couldn't or wouldn't share with Joe. But in this case, it was 1)a BS Fabrication and 2) Joe has obviously now proven he can't handle the information anyway. Like Ish said, he should have cut it off. At this point Teresa should be smart enough to know that Joe's reaction won't be a good one so she shouldn't say anything. I don't know that she learned this lesson though. OH! And I wanted to jump into who I think is most despicable in the cast. My list is: 1) Rich Wakile (because he has no life, no brains, an obvious crush on Teresa and he's boring) 2) Caroline (pot stirrer, bully, gorilla face from nose down, belittling of Lauren) 3) Melissa (poor me attitude - acts innocent, can't stop talking about Teresa, only got on show because of Teresa and her singing career will only see any success because of Teresa and she isn't thankful or gracious in the least.) 4) Jacqueline (this is obvious, but the whole treatment of Ashlee even though Ashlee sucks, her meddling a la Caroline in everyone's drama) 5) Kathy (for not "being the bigger person" and stepping out of the Teresa bashing conversations, for tolerating her dickhead husband Rich. 6) Joe Giudice (for ruining a good thing. He doesn't seem to be remotely aware that his wife is / could be building an empire, and that his illegal tricks could cost them everything, for cheating on her because I have a feeling he is.) |
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| WillyWonka | May 7 2012, 01:41 PM Post #294 |
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I think you're onto something ISH. I never really thought about it like that but I do think that's it on some level. During the argument, I don't remember how she worded it exactly but Melissa said something to Teresa about Teresa wanting to be the matriarch of the family. I think that's exactly it. Teresa thinks that she should be the alpha female of the group and Melissa won't play along. There are a million different examples of it but that's what it all boils down to in the end. |
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| cccharley | May 7 2012, 01:52 PM Post #295 |
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Eh after watching just a little of the celebrity appr I think Tre can control herself when she wants to. She is pretty stupid and far from eloquent but she can step back. She chooses not to on this show. Was she told to by production or is she following her natural instincts? Either way agree with some others regarding her lack of ownership (btw I hate this term as it's been way overused). I'm pretty much done with this one as well. As Tina Fey said reality shows are far from real |
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| IckiVicki | May 7 2012, 02:04 PM Post #296 |
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Anyone who runs and tells others something told to them in confidence (that doesn't involve imminent death) is a shit-stirring little bitch. JoeGo fits that description quite well. This doesn't absolve Tre, but I'm guessing that they had that kind of relationship before; the kind where you could confide in your sibling without them running their mouth all over town. JoeGo is a HUGE factor in the dysfunction of this family. The guy is so pussy-whipped, he's got pubes all over his face. If Caro and company want to ensure that Lauren will spend a lifetime dealing with her weight and self-esteem issues, they're doing a bang-up job of it. |
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| Finestra | May 7 2012, 02:07 PM Post #297 |
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I don't think Teresa can step back here and hold her emotions in check because this involves fambly, this is personal and it has clearly struck a deep chord with her, Melissa and Joe. I don't think Juicy really cares - I mean how many times do we have to hear him say, "Enough already, shut up about it." I really can't stand Jax at this point. She started all the drama at the party. And she is stupid like the rest of them. From her twitter:
And is Rosie looking to get a contract? Or has she? Whoever said that Caroline's face looks like it is melting when she has flat hair (like in last night's blue dress talking head) was spot on! |
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| Velvet | May 7 2012, 02:13 PM Post #298 |
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Jax is really pretty uneducated. "Her and I." that's about as fantabulous as when she would say "my sister-in-laws." Man that aggravates me. Icy, LOL @ "The guy is so pussy-whipped, he's got pubes all over his face." |
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| IckiVicki | May 7 2012, 02:43 PM Post #299 |
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Watching the previews for next week and it's so telling how much Tre stupidly reveres her brother. He sits there in his chair and summons her and she goes running over, complimenting him on how good he looks. Then he lays into her and she breaks down AGAIN. How many times has this guy caused the sister he supposedly loves oh-so-much to cry? She says he's mean and he calls her a bitch. I think if anyone dared call Tre a bitch, she would lose her shit, but with her brother she does nothing (although it appears he doesn't say it to her face.) |
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| Finestra | May 7 2012, 02:45 PM Post #300 |
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Look at the comment to Jax's blog:
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