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Show Snark; Episode to Episode Snark
Topic Started: Dec 24 2011, 05:29 PM (63,005 Views)
IcyAll
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Jul 22 2013, 05:27 PM
Icy, I know that you're firmly in Teresa's camp and why. I only commented because it sounded like you were saying that if you don't see Teresa as 100% blameless, you have to either be on Bravo's payroll, don't watch the show, or were simply a (dumb) bitch. Anyhooters...
Rye, I should have been clearer that I specifically think Dr. V was tasked by Bravo to add to the "Tree's got blame for this" pile-on. It was too quick: she's sitting with her for 10 minutes and gets to "you should apologize because it's partly your fault" ... really? 10 minutes of therapy and there you are? If Dr. V wasn't on another Bravo show, I'd wonder if she was a woman apologist, thinking the woman is always the one in the wrong. But with a show on Bravo that is hoping to be picked up for another season, it seemed clear to me that she was following the company line - because the only way to get to that conclusion so quickly is for it to be told to her before as 'storyline' she needs to support OR that she has some predetermination based on watching the show. I don't think she watches, actually. She'll watch THIS episode, because she'll want to watch herself, but otherwise, she's not a fan.

For everyone who thinks there's no way it's 100% not Tree's "fault" -- is there ever in life a time when someone is fighting with you (a fambily member) and it's absolutely them and not you?

That's just a hypothetical question.

Because there is one thing in which I blame Tree for this mess. Even though I think she's been set-up for those meetings (by producers in collusion with people who hate Melissa or who want on the show), in those meetings (with the bald guy at the salon, with the ex-BFF of Missy's at lunch) she didn't put up her hand and say "Stop right there. Do not speak ill of my sister-in-law, who is mother of my niece and nephews and who is married to my only brother. Do not burden me. Go have your opinion elsewhere, thank you." She listens. She gives the scene weight. It makes it to air because she didn't walk away. Now part of that, I believe is naiveté on her part -- she doesn't know she can walk away and be upfront like that. She sneaked away for a while at the salon, but didn't enforce the shut down. Maybe if it had happened once, I'd say it was out of left field and she wasn't prepared. But now it's been twice (at least; I may be forgetting another example) and she could have learned something and she hasn't. She's no brainiac about most things, but I do think she knows how the show operates.

Though she doesn't seem to understand how much of the show relies on her and how much power that gives her.

So someone could see all that (or something else that I missed) and think Tree shares the blame. But not a plastic psychologist from BravoLA who gets there in 5 minutes of air time. No, no, no ... she's a bitch who doesn't watch the show and I'm angry with her for making that mistake - of underestimating the viewers and thinking she can get her pop psychology to have impact and stun us with her intellect ... thinking us so gullible and easily manipulated that it's a walk in the park for her.

BTW, I'm not a Tree fan in the same sense that I'm not a Bethenny fan. I just don't see the evil more than I see the clumsy humans who make mistakes and have flashes of greatness in equal proportion just like me. Tree is less like me than Bethenny, but you get what I mean?

Re the Christening. IIRC they said later that she'd already greeted them when she arrived and they thought that moment was seriously phony ... but what they missed is that she needed to do it on camera. So was it new-to-the-scene stupidity? I think it was "you came over and were nice on camera which fucks up what we were planning on saying about you NOT being nice later, so now we gotta rumble" ...
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Adding another thought as a separate post: I think part of what pisses Missy off is that she is so much prettier in a normal way than Tree. She's got a normal hairline, she speaks more clearly, she's thinner, etc. So why didn't SHE get the gig first? Why did she have to spend three or more years listening to Tree be the star and get all the glory? I think that really pissed her off. If she'd been on the show first, she would have been just as angry with Tree joining as Tree was with Missy and Kathy joining. But Missy would have not wanted Kathy either.
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Did Melissa audition? I don't know h.ow the original ones came on. If it was basically about the manzos then maybe cow brought on Tre and Missy had nothing to do with it nor was she shot down. I know I read rumors of her wanting on the show but have yet to see proof or an audition tape from before the first season.
Edited by cccharley, Jul 22 2013, 09:59 PM.
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Regarding dr v she probably says the same crap to everyone since its pretty true. It works. As you said nobody is blameless. Also if Tre doesn't know how big she is now than she is dumber than I ever thought. She gets raises. She has big cookbook sales. She knows
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I think Tre was brought in as a friend of Dina's. The show was basically about the Manzos, Dina, Jax, etc.
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Oh, yeah, I'm not saying Missy auditioned but Tree got in ... I'm saying when Tree got the show, Missy probably shit her pants and ragged on JoeGo "How could they pick someone like your sister? It should be me! ... and you, Joe ... you're hotter than Joe Guidice!"

And then immediately his task to please her was to get her on the show somehow* ... Danielle says Missy contacted HER, which I believe. Psychologically, though I have no Ph.D.Dr.V, someone who is willing to take a particular action to gain something believes everyone else would do it, too. This is why she is so certain Tree is spreading rumors about her: because she did it to Tree first. Anyone else remember how thrilling we found her Christmas Cookie story on Facebook? Huh, recalling now that Danielle accused Tree of not visiting her nephew in the hospital and Tree was PISSED about it, right? So funny now that Missy is acting like being accused of not seeing someone in the hospital is a stupid accusation. Who cares when I went, she said. Well, she does. She cares that Tree didn't come to the hospital to see her new baby ... though Tree says she did.



*ETA: At first this was by being at big parties that Bravo filmed for the show, but Tree didn't make sure they got on camera ... she might have done it for her brother, but never for Missy. ;)


ETAII: I have to laugh at myself -- from not wanting to watch this season at all to fiercely debating it all here ... as if any of it matters that much. Please excuse my brain malfunctions. ;) ... and I'm not saying anyone who watches this must have a brain malfunction, just me based on my serious flip-flopping.
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Icy that makes perfect sense to me - I think that's a pretty good analysis. And if there was any doubt that Melissa is consumed with jealously over Tree and her RHONJ fame and fortune I think this last episode pretty much cleared that up.

When Tre became the breakout 'star' with her violent table flipping (she certainly has learned to reign that temper in on camera at least) I'm sure it drove Melissa crazy and she didn't stop until she got on. Her hook was she was going to 'take Tree down' and we all know how much Andy loves that shit.

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Melissa is gross and for all her being pretty she is pretty BORING.
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Jul 23 2013, 01:45 AM
Icy that makes perfect sense to me - I think that's a pretty good analysis. And if there was any doubt that Melissa is consumed with jealously over Tree and her RHONJ fame and fortune I think this last episode pretty much cleared that up.

When Tre became the breakout 'star' with her violent table flipping (she certainly has learned to reign that temper in on camera at least) I'm sure it drove Melissa crazy and she didn't stop until she got on. Her hook was she was going to 'take Tree down' and we all know how much Andy loves that shit.

Melissa is sooo bitter about Tre's success.


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My take on the christening...there was a blow out with Tre and family. But they got on the show and Tre was determined NOT to have their feud played out in public. Thats why Joe and Mel had the WTF looks on their faces, they were ready to take it on camera. Tre was hoping they'd make nice just for appearance sake. Tre was unprepared for the vitriol and from then things escalated.

I think this is exactly what happened. Melissa and Joe were filming their first day, and I think they didn't get that it was part of production to have Teresa come over and say HI on camera. Either Tre knew this or Bravo told her to do it. I think they felt like Tre was cutting into their camera time.

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I think the reason Dr V made progress with Joe Go and Tre is that she actually listened to what they said, she then repeated it back to them to make sure they knew she understood their point AND then she offered an alternative reason/motive/explanation for why the other party may have acted as they did.
People want to be heard. They want to have their issues and grievances listened to and acknowledged. Joe and Tre talk over each other. As soon as they realize the other is blaming them for something, they jump into defensive mode and start proclaiming their innocence. They need to hear each other out without interruption.
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Ish they say that is Parenting 101 - to repeat back to your child the reason they told you they are upset, " you are crying cause you don't want to leave the playground." Not a question or a judgment just a statement. Makes them feel validated. The preschool teachers used to say, "I hear you saying that Johnny pushed you." Kind of like psycho-babble, but it really deadens the emotion and calms the kid. Tre and JoeGo are like preschoolers in a lot of ways.
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Jul 23 2013, 10:29 AM
Ish they say that is Parenting 101 - to repeat back to your child the reason they told you they are upset, " you are crying cause you don't want to leave the playground." Not a question or a judgment just a statement. Makes them feel validated. The preschool teachers used to say, "I hear you saying that Johnny pushed you." Kind of like psycho-babble, but it really deadens the emotion and calms the kid. Tre and JoeGo are like preschoolers in a lot of ways.
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Tre and JoeGo are like preschoolers in a lot of ways.


Mostly mentally..

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Warning...do not read if you have a weak stomach...

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While out to dinner, Jacqueline and Chris Laurita begin discussing their 11-year-old son and the conversation unexpectedly turns to masturbation.


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“I wonder if…when I was CJ’s age, I already, I’d found myself by the time I was 11,” Chris reveals.

“Ahhhh, are you talking about bathroom time?” Jacqueline asks.

“I remember the first time I masturbated. I was scared sh*tless! I swear to God. I thought I literally broke it,” he divulges.

“I had a sock in my room, that’d literally stand on its end. It became a sculpture.”


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“I think I found myself in sixth grade,” Jacqueline admits.

“Joe told me the first time he got laid he was nine,” Chris tells her.

“Hopefully it wasn’t with Teresa,” Jacqueline responds.
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There are so many reasons why they didn't need to have that conversation on camera. I'm sure CJ will have a big, fat, long list of them.

Gag.
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Keeping it classy with The Lauritas.
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