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Topic Started: Dec 24 2011, 05:29 PM (63,195 Views)
ranjake
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May 16 2012, 01:22 PM
Ranjake, your description makes me think about the scene in Goodfellas where she is around Italian ppl for the first time, with the big hair and the gaudy everything. Hilarious that it stands the test of time.
We went to a funeral and there were "distant" family members there. In the room at the wake where you smoke (I didn't- but I was bored) there were these 3- 400 pound guys- all in custom suits- they all smelled great- they were lovely guys. They were talking about "20, 20, and 20" I thought they were talking about $$$- my husband told me later they were talking about prison sentences! The one guy I was talking to the most said he owned a bird shop! but it was all a front for the you-know-what. And nice Aunt Lisa? She runs #'s on basketball-she makes big bucks. Some of them came to my husbands' funeral. They're lovely people- but they thought the funeral was CRAZY. No church- Priest only in the funeral home.( I'm not Catholic- my Husband was "lapsed") No burial- cremation and I brought him home and dedicated a bench on the Beach where he proposed to me. Released balloons up in the air from our home (on the water). They thought the grief got to me. My husband was a great (his work is AMAZING_ it's on his facebook)- building contractor- and honest) but he would never work for family- he was always "too busy"- because he wanted to work for $$- not tv's or jimmy choo's that fell off a truck.

I've seen most of the stuff they show on RHNJ- it's familiar to me. There are BIG differences. I never wanted a "Jersey" accent and I refuse to say "cawfee", Tree LOVES saying "sangwiches". But marrying into my husbands' family made me an observer into their world. HIs family was NOT like the Gorgas/Guidices- but some of their huge, distant family were- so I've seen it. I've been to receptions at the Brownstone (in the armpit of NJ) back in the day.

I "appreesh"( my husband's word I hated but now I LOVE!) you guys listening to my blabbering. I apologize- but it's therapeutic.

My point WAS- just like that, Oleander- complete culture shock. It's real :)
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May 14 2012, 11:29 PM
(clears throat) Velvet, Imma let you finish, but no one bests me in a 'bad person judging RHONJ kids' contest....

...for I again, just seeing the previews, am back to disliking poor G-to-the-ia. Goddamn she is a manipulative little sponge. And the thing is, I of course admit and totally believe that she's suffering but there's something I just don't fucking buy about a 9-11 year old feeling 'torn apart' by a chill between her parent and her uncle. I can't express it but I think she gets a lot of satisfaction out of these teary fits - the kind of satisfaction a high-school girl gets from threatening to kill herself over a boyfriend or somesuch. I think she's already an unusually masterful little fake. Yes, those are the flames of hell licking the legs of my sofa.

The Gorga kids are very young, but the oldest is very adorable to me, too, and seems to be a pretty well-mannered, nice little girl. Tree's brood - I know the second-oldest threatened to smack Clownie on that cruise in Italy but I still think she and the tiny one are the only ones I could be around safely. The actress and the abusive Vincent Pastore look-alike - fuck me, I'd never be able to handle it.
Gia is a doll. I have been a teacher for over twenty years and I have done just as many field days. Not only is every one on the losing team a blubbering crybaby after losing but their parents get into it, too, saying the teams weren't fair. Gia seems very competitive to me, in sports and dance, which I admire. So I forgive her for being a sore loser. She is eleven. For Jacqueline to read a book to her about being a sore loser, was rubbing salt in the wounds and if she had attempted to give my kid a lecture on manners I would tell her to bugger off, too. Go parent your own child. Oh that's right, you shipped her off to Las Vegas because she sleeps late and parties, and she doesn't fit in with the new family you created. See, I don't buy that Ashlee is an ungrateful brat. I think deep down inside, she is subconsciously striking back at both her Mom and Dad by under-achieving. Getting negative attention is what kids of divorce will do. They aren't even aware that they are doing it. they straighten out eventually, but they need a few more years than kids of intact families. Especially having a mother like Jax, who has never let her forget for a moment, all the sacrifices she has made for her (ie: ruined her life by being born). Gia gets a lot of love from her parents, it is just that Bravo only wants to show the negative when it comes to that family. Jax is the last person on earth to give parenting advice. She humiliated her daughter on national t.v. over and over and then kicked her to the curb. She is nasty.
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ITA Miss Miami. I think this is more than just Tre being defensive about the other bitches getting on her kid. I think she sees the writing on the wall at this point that she's the one ganged up on, and now it's spreading to her kids. They are her children; she can make them part of HER story if she wants, but I'd be pissed as well if the other women (who don't like me) try to make MY child part of the story, and no doubt in a negative light. Especially if the other howife was a failed parent like Jaq. Bitch, take care of your kids first before lecturing mine!
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That's what the book was about- being a sore loser? That's really foul of Jacqueline. I thought Gia was just objecting to Jacqueline reading. Even just from the previews- I hate them making an episode about "bad Gia". I think she's going to have enough troubles ahead.
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May 16 2012, 02:01 PM
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May 16 2012, 01:22 PM
Ranjake, your description makes me think about the scene in Goodfellas where she is around Italian ppl for the first time, with the big hair and the gaudy everything. Hilarious that it stands the test of time.
We went to a funeral and there were "distant" family members there. In the room at the wake where you smoke (I didn't- but I was bored) there were these 3- 400 pound guys- all in custom suits- they all smelled great- they were lovely guys. They were talking about "20, 20, and 20" I thought they were talking about $$$- my husband told me later they were talking about prison sentences! The one guy I was talking to the most said he owned a bird shop! but it was all a front for the you-know-what. And nice Aunt Lisa? She runs #'s on basketball-she makes big bucks. Some of them came to my husbands' funeral. They're lovely people- but they thought the funeral was CRAZY. No church- Priest only in the funeral home.( I'm not Catholic- my Husband was "lapsed") No burial- cremation and I brought him home and dedicated a bench on the Beach where he proposed to me. Released balloons up in the air from our home (on the water). They thought the grief got to me. My husband was a great (his work is AMAZING_ it's on his facebook)- building contractor- and honest) but he would never work for family- he was always "too busy"- because he wanted to work for $$- not tv's or jimmy choo's that fell off a truck.

I've seen most of the stuff they show on RHNJ- it's familiar to me. There are BIG differences. I never wanted a "Jersey" accent and I refuse to say "cawfee", Tree LOVES saying "sangwiches". But marrying into my husbands' family made me an observer into their world. HIs family was NOT like the Gorgas/Guidices- but some of their huge, distant family were- so I've seen it. I've been to receptions at the Brownstone (in the armpit of NJ) back in the day.

I "appreesh"( my husband's word I hated but now I LOVE!) you guys listening to my blabbering. I apologize- but it's therapeutic.

My point WAS- just like that, Oleander- complete culture shock. It's real :)
Please keep going if you would like. It's strange but before RHONJ, i thought all that stuff was just for tv and movies (Goodfellas, Godfather, The Sopranos), and that they weren't like that, that it was all amped up for TV. Knowing that it's not makes RHONJ that much more enjoyable to me.
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What are you guys talking about??? Sounds like I missed a chunk of the show with Gia and Jax. I'll have to catch a rerun.

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I "appreesh"( my husband's word I hated but now I LOVE!) you guys listening to my blabbering. I apologize- but it's therapeutic.

ranjake - do not apologize at all. First, this isn't blabbering and even if it was it's perfectly acceptable here - that's what we do, thats where some of the best conversations come from - when we veer off track sometimes.

Secondly, I for one love hearing these descriptions. I've never been to NJ. The only NJ Italians I've spent any time with are characters on movies and television - mostly the Sopranos and of course this show. I know that they NOT representative of all NJ Italians and like oleander I always thought they were made up. Hearing that there are threads of this culture alive and well facinates me even more.

The RHONJ seem like they are from another land to me sometimes, although my grandparents were Croatian immigrants and gatherings at their house was like the BD party you described - lots of yelling all the time. Always. My own mother was and is a huge yeller herself. Ugh.
Edited by Cosmocrush, May 16 2012, 03:28 PM.
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I feel that it is quite pathetic to go out of their way to show Gia in a bad light. The kid is 11. Cut her some slack. I didn't know that the book Jaq was reading had to do with being a sore loser. Jaq has to focus on the two kids that she has and to make sure that they don't end up like Ashlee - the product of bad parenting, spite, and neglect. Cow should read the book to herself, Kathy, Missy and Clownie - after all, aren't they all sore over Tre's success?
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You guys are nice :) It's real :) Also, the HIGHEST insult is being called an "Olive-Garden" Italian! They wouldn't be caught DEAD there! They would NEVER< EVER eat Domino's pizza (it really is crap-imo- the only good pizza is in NJ/NY :) AND- coming into their culture- I'm NORWEGIAN :) cray-cray- so many funny stories. my husband loved white bread (he eventually stopped) and to me- that's not even food- it's insulation; so I wouldn't buy it- so when we were first married, my MIL would bring a bag of Wonder Bread a week- she was afraid I was going to starve him with my rye and my bagels. Plus- she INSISTED on teaching me to cook- which ended up being great- learning to make braciole and gravy and eggplant parm- again- afraid I would starve him. I got pregnant 5 months after we got married- and had the first BOY in the family since my husband 23 years before- so that increased my status :) My SIL's were a little jealous I was having a boy. We had sonogram pics showing the PENIS (Dr confirmed) and they were all like "no!no! that's a FINGER!" lolololol good times :)
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ranjake, I love these stories! My family is immigrant and old-school as well, and while I hated growing up surrounded by the misogynist, this-is-how-we-do-things mindset, I do miss the big family gatherings and the craziness of it all. And it does help me understand this group so much better, which is why it's been my favorite franchise. By the same token, because it does hit so close to home, I don't find watching the fracture of this family very entertaining.
Edited by IckiVicki, May 16 2012, 04:03 PM.
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I just watched the preview. 2 things struck me...one, Gia is a drama queen and two, Jax really shouldn't be trying to teach someone else's kid how to behave when she isn't exactly Mother of the Year herself.
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Me too ranjake! Your stories are far more interesting to me than this show! Keep going when the mood strikes.

One of my best friends is Sicilian, and her dad came over from Sicily and completely left that life and moved to California to do it. Still, her extended family was pretty much all connected and from NY/Jersey. So I got a taste of it when Uncles and Aunts arrived for weddings. Her dad was very clear about NOT getting involved, though he wouldn't dare not invite them to the big events. I would hear the stories. Her sister's wedding was beautiful, with a full elegant 7 course served meal and over 500 guests, the whole routine. I got to hear stories about various connected politicians back east, and met a few people involved over the years...always pretending complete innocence to even the possibility they were mob.

Anyway, loving your stories!
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I am 1/2 Italian 1/2 Irish and watching this show makes me nostalgic for the Italian side. Fortunately for society but unfortunately for cultural color, each generation is becoming more homogenously American and leaving behind the traditions. Ranjake I have been to my fair share of fuggetaboudit white and glittery events. Some of them were shocked my sons didn't wear a little white suit for their 1st communions (which in my wasp-wannabe area is a big no no). I remember at an Irish side funeral the Italian side came and pulled up chairs to the buffet table and dug in. The Irish didn't mind - it left more room at the bar.
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Ranjake - wasn't it just a couple days ago where you kept saying, "I have other opinions but I'll keep them to myself."?? HA! We got you now!! :)

Welcome Miss Miami!
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Ugh Kathy and Missy were on Wendy today and firstly - this highlighted that they are boring w/o Tre

Missy did all the talking - even more proof Kathy and her obessed hubby need off the show.

They are still drinking the Clown koolaid. Wendy asked if the Clown's time on the show had run out and they both piped up that no, she's the voice of reason etc etc.

Missy also denied they are in financial straights - but that they always planned on selling the house b/c quote "this is what Joe does he's a builder." They are moving to Franklin Lakes [to be with Clownie and crew lol].

Finally, can't wait till Friday when my US Weekly comes in the mail. Guess Tre has started selling stories to other outlets (though US is famous for doing a cover story w/o a direct quote from anyone). Anyways, the cover is a pic of Tre in all her low forhead. The headline is "Betrayed by Her Husband." What did Juicy do now?
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That was why I let my US Weekly subscrip go. You are so right about not getting direct quotes, it's always "sources close to the star say" or my favorite, "Behavioral Psychologist Expert Dr. X said Teresa could be doing this because she's insecure." Uh.....that doesn't really mean much in the grand scheme of things.
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