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Topic Started: Dec 24 2011, 05:29 PM (63,157 Views)
IckiVicki
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The best part of this episode was FINALLY getting confirmation on what many of us have known for a long time: Missy DID contact Danielle and talk shit about Teresa. Considering Teresa only found out the truth last night, I give her major props for forgiving Missy in, what? Two minutes? I think most people (and, yes, I'm talking about myself here!) would find that sort of betrayal completely unforgiveable.

We see the Wakiles/Gorgas talk about "fixing family" but what exactly have they done other than say the right words in their talking heads? Teresa initiated the sit-down with Missy at Jaq's house, she contacted Kathy for breakfast, she invited JoeGo over for Christmas dinner (and he didn't stay), she agreed to therapy (much to JoeGo's dismay; the look on his face when she told him she was game was hilarious. Like, "oh shit, she actually wants to reconcile, now we won't have a storyline!")

And another telling scence: when Jax (drunk off her ass, as usual) sits next to Chris at the club bitching about Teresa (as usual) and says "she won't share her fame." RIGHT THERE. That is the root of the problem. And fuck you cow -- you can't tell someone that you will be distancing yourself from them, and then cry like the little bitch that you are when they take your word for it. I've never seen anyone more in need of a hobby than this bitch.
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Jun 25 2012, 11:30 AM
I didn't watch but a 2 minutes of WWHL last night, but next to Carole Radziwill, Jax really did look like a cow.
I loved the bartender calling her out on stirring shit at Melissa's party!! It was Jacs that got the whole group talking about the ambush, then Melissa jumped in and commented that it was the "Teresa Show" as though Teresa were attempting to steal her spotlight, she should have put the blame where it belonged on Jac and Caroline who were more than happy to share what happened with Melissa's guests.
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Yeah, I didn't get why it was the Teresa show instead of the Jax Show. I wonder what Melissa thinks now?

So is next week the ambush on Melissa? I still don't think that Teresa planned it. I don't think Teresa would sabotage Melissa because it will make Joe hate Tre. I think she believes Joe Go would never forgive her and I don't think she would want to hurt him.

I think Kathy came across really well, and I think that is more typical of how the Wakiles, Gorgas and Guidices roll. I think when it comes down to it, Kathy will defend or be loyal to her fambly, especially in the wake of the Breakfast Truce with Tre. Caroline and Jax came across a bitter shrews and Kathy barely said a word. I think they kept going, waiting for Kathy to jump in.

I think Teresa was paid for certain magazine articles. I think she was saying that the negative ones that came out at the time of filming were not sold by her - Joe going to jail and being bullied by the other women. She did sell the one of her and Jax with their babies and the one of Tre and Joe getting remarried. I bet if you look at the mags, the positive articles about Tre are the ones she got paid for, and the negative ones are either the photo shoot ones or ones she didn't get paid at all for.
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She is splitting the stories into "ones I didn't get paid for or contribute to" and "ones where they asked me questions I answered and where they paid me for the photographs" -- and I don't think she contributed to the one about her going to jail or to those quotes in the four square. She wouldn't need to since it's all regurgitated spew from the show. I don't think anyone, even Tree, believes Clownie is upset about those articles. It's just storyline and excuse.

There have been tabloid stories about them all along, throughout the four years. NOW they're upset? NOW it's Tree's fault? Doubtful!
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I also think there's a big disconnect that they haven't really spelled out about that thing with the payment for articles.

Teresa DID say it was financial or "it's my business." But what I believe she meant was not that she was getting paid directly, but that the press bolsters her brand, and that's the business, more of an indirect link. Jax and Clown thought she was making a direct link to say "it's my business" as in "i get paid."

Teresa briefly clarified this on WWHL but the pace there moves too fast and so since normal conversation pace is too fast for Teresa, the pace on WWHL blew over her.
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I think you nailed it, Finestra (I almost typed 'pajamas' OY!). I think that's exactly what was going on. And, I've hated Kathy from almost the first second she hit my screen but I *loved* that she a) saw thru Tree but was willing to let bygones be bygones and b) just sat there saying nothing while Clown and Cow went on and on ABOUT HER FAMILY MEMBER. She let those bitches dig a hole and then handed them a shovel to keep on digging.
Edited by Momo, Jun 25 2012, 02:10 PM.
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Agree but she should reign stupid girl arms Richie in. He's just wrong for all his Teresa bashing. And he's fake for pretending to kiss Joe Giudice last night.
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I fell asleep and missed the last 15-20 minutes. Do I need to watch the end? Also woke up as usual during the WWHL in the middle and before the end. UGH.. I was away and forgot to DVR b4 I left for the weekend. All I caught on WWHL was the question of the work that Cow had done.
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Even though Joe Gui gets his digs in about JOeGo, I do think there is some affection between them. In his discussion with Teresa, referred to JoeGo as a knucklehead, a much less derogatory term than has been used in the past.

IMO, up until Melissa hit the scene, Tre and her Joe's got along very well. JoeGo, it sounds like had a couple of bad relationships and maybe Teresa was over protective of him. A flashy girl like Melissa would definitely make Teresa a bit concerned over her motives. Ironically since Teresa herself is pretty flashy! I also suspect Melissa,instead of sort of getting the lay of the land and easing her way into the family, came in gangbusters, guns blazing and knowing families like Teresa's, that doesn't go over well.
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Jun 25 2012, 02:24 PM
Even though Joe Gui gets his digs in about JOeGo, I do think there is some affection between them. In his discussion with Teresa, referred to JoeGo as a knucklehead, a much less derogatory term than has been used in the past.

IMO, up until Melissa hit the scene, Tre and her Joe's got along very well. JoeGo, it sounds like had a couple of bad relationships and maybe Teresa was over protective of him. A flashy girl like Melissa would definitely make Teresa a bit concerned over her motives. Ironically since Teresa herself is pretty flashy! I also suspect Melissa,instead of sort of getting the lay of the land and easing her way into the family, came in gangbusters, guns blazing and knowing families like Teresa's, that doesn't go over well.
As Melissa explained to Ryan Secrest, you need to come in an stand your ground when you join a new family.

Teresa's hairline was center stage in her dressing table tete a tete with Juicy!
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The thing that pisses me off - and I have no right to be pissed off - is that Melissa and Kathy get to "walk" on their motives for joining the show because Tree needs allies. I won't forget how they came on and why, even while I understand that Tree can't swim in that now. ... though, actually, she could - she's completely the star and center of everyone's attention and without her, IMO, there's no show.
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Did they address Melissa talking to Danielle on the reunion? I can't remember with all the Teresa questions.
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I can't remember the exact details, but IIRC, the question was asked and she either denied it or dodged it. Now that she finally admits it, Jac and Caro have NOTHING to say about it. Not one reference in Caro's blog or on their tweets. And isn't it odd that as big as betrayal as Missy's act was, Tre seemed to forgive her in about two minutes, while Caro is still stewing about some stupid comment in Tre's book? She's been sanctimoniously lecturing Tre all season long about "forgive and forget" and yet she can't do it herself.
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"Forgive and forget" means "forgive me for being a sanctimonious prig and forget what an awful human being I am" as far as Clownie is concerned.
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Jax (in that interview I talked about above that Willy couldn't sit all the way through and neither could I!), said that she of course was going to go to this year's reunion because NOW she can talk about everything that happened. So I think we are going to get a lot of Teresa selling stories to the press, Poor Jax believing that she is going to Jail! and worrying about her and Teresa never telling her about it.

Did anyone notice how tightly and weirdly Caroline hugged Melissa at the party? It was a total "in your face" to Teresa. But it reminded me of the Taylor/Camille hug in Malibu. Teresa really didn't rise to the bait at that party. The Manzos looked like a bunch of sour puss bitter bettys and Teresa basically ignored them all. They sat there in a huff all for nothing.
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