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New Jersey In The Media; Recaps, Reviews, Media Gossip @ NJ
Topic Started: Dec 24 2011, 11:03 PM (60,461 Views)
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“That she was living in a broken-down house and her back yard was on a highway,” Granatell said of the couple’s mansion in Towaco that the couple added on to as their wealth increased.


WTH, Granny?! More than the Lauritas or the Gorga Jrs., I wanna see this nasty piece of work take a long ride on the karma train.

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A part of me thinks that they will all be fine. I can see Juicy explaining it to the girls with an, "it is what it is. I did some stupid stuff and I gotta go away for a while." Kind of like his Napoleon "syndrome" explanation.

And I think if Tre doesn't go to jail that she will keep trying to plug away at selling her stuff. But I would have to think that her brand is really damaged. Unless she makes a deal with some tabloid to paint herself in a sympathetic way. I wonder if she had talked this all out with Jac (who told Clownie) or with Clownie herself as a way to plan for the future. And that is why Clownie was so prescient.

I feel sad about this too. ITA ICY that the herd that they run with does this type of fast and loose, everybody's doin' it stuff all the time. They are stupid and shady. It is like they are living in the 1950s. Why go on a reality show if you haven't paid taxes? Or have taken out shady loans. The stupidity is beyond. It is like they don't understand how the real world works outside their little moblike world. So long as they take care of their own, the rest of the world be damned. But at the heart of it, they are a family with four girls. And that is just sad.
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Finestra
Jul 31 2013, 08:53 AM
A part of me thinks that they will all be fine. I can see Juicy explaining it to the girls with an, "it is what it is.


Me, too, Fin. Ya know how we've talked about this alternative reality the mob seems to live in? I wouldn't be surprised if having relatives in the pokey for similar offenses isn't something the girls view as somewhat normal. I know, that seems unrealistic but I'm not living in that alternative mob universe. The girls will be taken care of. The family is tight. Or should I say 'thick as thieves'. Literally.

It's sad but they'll be fine.

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Jul 31 2013, 06:58 AM
That lawyer, Monica Chicon or whatever, basically said she helped this happen and was fielding calls at her office at one time. Even if I personally hated Tre, I wouldn't do that. How can you hate someone that much you overlook those girls?
Is it possible that she helped this happen because Juicy and Tre didn't think of Monica's children? Or the children of the business partner whose signature Juicy forged? Or the children living in that slum apartment building? Or the children of the notary whose stamp he used? I'm sure there is a big trickle down effect that affects more than just the Giudice children.

I really think the bankruptcy filing is what triggered all of this. Had they not filed no one would have ever thought to look at all of the old paperwork. I know there are lots of Tre fans out there who seem to think Jax turned them in or it's somehow Joe and Missy's doing but I really don't think so. If for no other reason they wouldn't want to bring attention to themselves. Jax and Chris may very well be next since aren't they also declaring some kind of bankruptcy?

I find the whole thing sad, too, for their kids. But their actions over the years show that they really think they can just do whatever they want to and don't have to follow the same laws the rest of us peons do. That's not snark or gloating but my sympathy for them is limited.
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Great whole post, Willy. When you're self-employed, and people don't pay you- it DOES hurt your kids. It hurt my kids. It hurt my Husband :( If there's one thing I could tell EVERYONE it would be to try so hard NOT to worry about $$. My Husband always worried about it so much and did sweat the small stuff where $$ was concerned; even though we were always fine; even though we always had people who would help us if we were ever not fine. I watched the tears freeze on Jake's face- literally freeze- when we were stranded in a Hotel room without power after Hurricane sandy (during a November Blizzard). That was SIX hours of my life- and it was so bad- but it was SIX hours. My friends were on the way and "rescued" us as soon as possible. How do you tell your child in their home that you have no heat because the landlord is a douche? And freeze night after night in their own home? While he was home in his nice, warm mansion? I'm not happy about this- I feel for those Girls- but they invited this in so many ways. Skeletons in your closet can be more than being a "prostitution whore". Teresa said "I have no skeletons in my closet, thank you". Kind of ironic. Hope no one has to "raise" the girls- I don't want Teresa to do jail time. Is it any kind of possibility that neither of them will have to do jail time? I don't know the law. But NJ is tough- and also tough on "celebrities". This is going to cost them a fortune, too- even though T has been making great $$. Part of the indictment is they need to forfeit gains gotten through these frauds- so if that sticks- the house might be gone before they even start restitution...

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I know someone who committed a fraud. He went to prison only on the weekends. So during the week he'd be out and then he'd go in for 3 days. Odd but they made a deal. This was NY though and not NJ. I know there are different ways to make deals.

Still they committed much bigger crimes than he did. Although I'm sorry for the children they had to think this was a possibility. I just don't care what happens to them. Sorry. I just cannot stand people who think they are so special they won't pay for the crime even if they are caught. They think are too special. I know I'm harsh - although much less harsh than you think I am. I think I'm more angry. You have this beautiful family and you had to play the big life instead of thinking about the fact that you may get caught breaking the law. Act all cutesy and stupid and it will get you by. If they do get off entirely I honestly think I will be more angry. At the very least they should lose their assets. Jail time won't really change most people anyway - taking away what they have just may.
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If I were Monica Chacon, I would worry. It's her husband who was was partners with Juicy right? I can't imagine that their business was above the law if this is what he was doing in his personal life.

Everyone's a rat in the Federal system these days.

CCC that is so interesting about the person you know because it seems like that is what happened here with the couple in my town with serving their sentences.
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One of my daughter's friends parents committed fraud. Shady dealings with their business which was going down the tubes, then they tried to hide assets in their daughter's name. IIRC, he served first, then she did.
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Jul 31 2013, 12:12 PM
If I were Monica Chacon, I would worry. It's her husband who was was partners with Juicy right? I can't imagine that their business was above the law if this is what he was doing in his personal life.

Everyone's a rat in the Federal system these days.

CCC that is so interesting about the person you know because it seems like that is what happened here with the couple in my town with serving their sentences.
I thought she was just the partner's Lawyer? Not sure. I feel some anger, too, CCC. I have this judgemental part of me that wants people to play by the rules. (Not that you are judgemental!!!) It just seems so dumb and careless- you have KIDS, you jackasses!
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When someone reminds me of the landlord issues, I get pissed at Juicy and Tree. But I had sucky landlords and it didn't destroy my whole life. It was like Ranjake says -- a bad time I got past.

When they stopped the bankruptcy filing and Tree made restitution as well as she could, I felt like they got payback. They had to buck up and go forward with the front because they were on a TV show. But they did not go through with the bankruptcy ... so I think that will help Tree, at least, perhaps even Juicy. And he's married to an American -- he can file to be a citizen, can't he?

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I knew a couple who were also convicted of some kind of fraud with regard to their business. They were friends of a friend so I don't really know the details but I'm pretty sure they both served their sentences at the same time. They had young children, too. I think they had to go live with other family members while their parents were in prison.
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I'm sure their tenants aren't sitting there crying every day over not having heat for however long it was. That doesn't mean it wasn't miserable for them at the time. That doesn't mean it was okay for their landlord to screw them over like that, especially not when they could flip on their TV and see that same landlord living in a McMansion, driving a Mercedes to his shore house, buying his wife a diamond ring for Christmas. Now people are crying over his children suffering because of all of this, even though it's due to their parents poor choices, and they're probably wondering who was crying back when their children were sitting there in the cold and it wasn't their fault.

As far as them withdrawing the bankruptcy goes, I remember at the time it was said they withdrew it because they would have been charged with fraud had they continued with it. I'm sure they thought if they just withdrew it that everyone would forget about the false documents. I'm really not sure what happened between then and now that made the feds go ahead with the charges against them even though they withdrew the bankruptcy. So they didn't withdraw because they suddenly saw the light and wanted to right their wrongs. They were trying to save themselves.

I don't really know how the citizenship thing works but I don't think he can even try to become a citizen now with this hanging over him. I do agree it's ridiculous that there is talk of deporting him when there are plenty of illegals here committing violent crimes and no one deports them.
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Jul 31 2013, 12:35 PM
And he's married to an American -- he can file to be a citizen, can't he?

No. This is the way it works: You first get a green card. If you marry an American you can get the green card, but there are LOTS of interviews, hoops to jump through before you are given that green card. Once you have the green card, then you can get citizenship after x amount of years, or if you marry an American and get a green card you can get citizenship after y amount of years. Of course all this stems on the fact that you do not have any legal problems.

Mr. Disco got his green card through his work, and I remember he had a ridiculous number of meetings with Immigration (this was back in 1980/81) but finally got his green card in 1981. We got married in 1984. He got his citizenship in 1987, but he got it faster going the green card route than the green card/married a citizen route.

Of course, as I said, this was back in the 80's, I don't know how much/if it has changed. But this is a sore spot, since so many people think you automatically get citizenship if you marry an American, and you don't. (I just remember the agony Mr. Disco went through with Immigration).
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It doesn't look good for them. the federal government works a bit differently than the state. It's not some overworked, ill-paid prosecutor slapping stuff together. They tend to wait - give you enough rope to hang yourself and then naill your ass to the wall, which is what it seems they've done here.

I can't see them both getting by without jail time. They are brain dead stupid with the shit they pulled. forging w2s, not paying taxes, etc.

And I understand what you guys are saying. It's not like they don't deserve this, they do. I just feel bad for them.
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