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| WillyWonka | Jul 31 2013, 01:34 PM Post #2551 |
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It's funny how none of us felt sorry for Taylor when all of her grifting came to light and she wasn't in this kind of deep doo doo. |
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| ranjake | Jul 31 2013, 01:49 PM Post #2552 |
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No, I'm sure they don't. It's just very demoralizing- being in the cold- but I wasn't ever used to it before and hope I never will again! I think it was the whole thing of being suddenly homeless, too- and "sandy" took our Car- so it was a lot of things. I guess I could have taken it for myself, but seeing Jake go through it was just something I still have nightmares about. I'm explaining badly why I was so outraged about the situation when it happened; when everyone gave him a pass. When he was like "I can't do anything, I just manage the building, I'm not the owner". And that was a LIE. |
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| ranjake | Jul 31 2013, 01:53 PM Post #2553 |
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I did/do feel sorry for Kennedy- but that's so TRUE. I became a Widow because my Husband died- and I have so much help and sympathy- Taylor's Husband killed himself; and she has a young child AND he left tons of debt- but she really is incredibly unappealing, even to me. I always wonder why that is. A couple times, at the end of the season, she was on WWHL and she seemed like she was being a little honest and maybe I liked her a little more. But still- so unlikable to me and now a homewrecker to boot! |
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| Finestra | Jul 31 2013, 02:10 PM Post #2554 |
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I feel badly for them. Maybe because Juicy comes across as a generally likable character IMO on the show - a bumbling, fuggedabout it guy. Teresa and Joe haven't done anything on TV that was OTT offensive to me. Russell ended up dead and a lot of people thought Taylor was complicit in the events that led to his suicide. I think Juicy is going to end up paying for his crimes. He has been arrested and charged and from the evidence against him, it seems he is pretty much screwed. Taylor seemed to get off scott free. Maybe that is why people were more outraged and less sympathetic. |
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| cccharley | Jul 31 2013, 02:12 PM Post #2555 |
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I'm going back to the citizenship thingy. My dh also had to get a green card. Guess we got lucky and only had one interview. We just about fought in our interview (and nothing has changed since) and the guy must have though OMG they are really married. So dh got his green card. We of course waited the proper amount of time. He never became a citizen and we are working on it now. I have the paperwork out so I just took a look - you have to supply tax returns and you have to state if you were ever charged with crimes and if you were ever charged with crimes and convicted. I doubt Juicy will have an easy time. Honestly I'd like to move to Italy. Regarding the bankruptcy - I agree with the others - they didn't file for reason of disclosing their fraud. Nothing honest about those 2. Filing bankruptcy is not a crime. It would look no better or worse. Obviously they could not file bankruptcy since their debts were frauds |
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| Finestra | Jul 31 2013, 03:46 PM Post #2556 |
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The thing about Juicy and Tre, I am sure one of his friends told them how easy it was to get mortgages and that "no one ever checks." And they were right - no one ever did check and that is why it was so easy for so much mortgage fraud to happen. I know the paperwork requirements are much stricter than they were even 5 years ago. If they hadn't filed bankruptcy, no one probably would have ever found out about their fraud. I wonder if you go back and look at all the defaults, how many of them had fraudulent applications. Probably a good sum or the mortgage backed securities wouldn't have failed. |
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| WillyWonka | Jul 31 2013, 03:55 PM Post #2557 |
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I'm sure, it's probably true. But they did it more than once. They did it over the course of what, 7 years? The fertility doctor was listed as one of their debts in their bankruptcy docs. Well Audrianna was born in Sept. 2009, so Tre got pregnant with her in Dec. 2008 or Jan 2009. They filed for bankruptcy in Oct. 2009. You don't think they knew they had no intention of ever paying that bill back when they were receiving the services? And they didn't do it because they were paying medical bills for a sick child or because they didn't know how else to keep the electric on in their 1000 sq. ft. trailer. They did it to live this lavish lifestyle and screw everyone else. |
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| Velvet | Jul 31 2013, 04:06 PM Post #2558 |
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I don't know, all this is so crazy to me, probably because of my stance on jail. I don't understand why people commit crimes they go to jail, regardless of the crime. I feel like money related crimes should be solved by getting money from people and jail should be reserved for the people who are truly physically dangerous to society. Lock people up who kill others, prey on others, rob, rape, murder. But locking someone up for 50 years for paperwork and money fraud? It seems so.....backward. Meanwhile, prisons get overcrowded and they'll let someone go for time served and good behavior and he'll go out and mug a grandma. Ooh. Maybe he'll mug THE GRANDMA, Kim Grannytell. That would be hilarious irony!!! If they do have to split up the kids, I'm putting in an application for Milania and Gabriella. |
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| WillyWonka | Jul 31 2013, 04:35 PM Post #2559 |
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I don't recommend taking Milania grocery shopping with you. |
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| discomom | Jul 31 2013, 04:56 PM Post #2560 |
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Are you sure you want Milania around Velveteen? Laughs are good and all, but Velveteen is too sweet to be corrupted! I'd go for Audriana and Gabriella. |
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| Finestra | Jul 31 2013, 05:43 PM Post #2561 |
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Exactly - it was easy - they didn't get caught and they realized that no one was scrutinizing any of these things. |
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| cccharley | Jul 31 2013, 07:08 PM Post #2562 |
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Velvet unfortunately if white collar criminals didn't go to jail there would probably be 500% more white collar crime because most of these criminals can pay their debts but get greedy. Also they didn't just lie on an application but falsified documents. I never heard of fake W2s - that's not like saying oh I make 100K but really make 50K and I make in cash so I can't prove it etc etc. This was quite calculated and over a long period of time. It wasn't for one loan but many. I mean Bernie M should not be in jail? It's still white collar. Most little things they do not go to jail. You just pay a fine. People make mistakes on their taxes all the time whether intentional or not. They ask you to pay the difference with interest. Sometimes you even get a bigger refund. With new technology and computers it's way easier to get caught or get more money back - works both ways believe it or not. Anyway, I don't think this will be resolved quickly unless they make a deal very quickly. Court cases take a long time. Guess we'll see. |
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| ryebread | Jul 31 2013, 08:10 PM Post #2563 |
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You're explaining it just fine. I get it, ranjake. Though I won't pretend to fully understand how you felt when that was happening, I 'get' that when kids are involved it's a whole different ball of wax. I'm outraged, too, about the Juicys. Have been for a long time.
Her brand will be damaged but I think there will always be people who will buy her stuff. (not me!) People who either don't care what she's done or haven't read/can't understand the indictments and how their crimes affected innocent people. Martha Stewart was convicted on far less and only served 5 months, but her incarceration gave her some street cred and not only has she resurrected her brand, she's a gazillionaire. Though KimG thinks so, I'm not so sure there is a God. ^o) People are dogging Gia on her instagram. Why don't her parents pull the plug on that? Would you? Or do you think that would be taking something away from a kid who is about to lose so much more? |
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| ryebread | Jul 31 2013, 08:11 PM Post #2564 |
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And you might want to consider a suit of armor in Velveteen's size. |
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| WillyWonka | Jul 31 2013, 09:41 PM Post #2565 |
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I just looked up Martha Stewart's case because I didn't really remember the details other than it was some kind of stock fraud. There are some huge differences between her case and Tre's. From Wikipedia: On June 4, 2003, Stewart was indicted by the government on nine counts, including charges of securities fraud and obstruction of justice. After a highly publicized six-week jury trial, Stewart was found guilty in March 2004 of conspiracy, obstruction of an agency proceeding, and making false statements to federal investigators, and was sentenced in July 2004 to serve a five-month term in a federal correctional facility and a two-year period of supervised release (to include five months of electronic monitoring). Stewart also paid a fine of $30,000. In August 2006, the SEC announced that it had agreed to settle the related civil case against Stewart. Under the settlement, Stewart agreed to disgorge $58,062 (including interest from the losses she avoided), as well as a civil penalty of three times the loss avoided, or $137,019. She also agreed to a five-year ban from serving as a director, CEO, CFO, or any other officer role responsible for preparing, auditing, or disclosing financial results of any public company. In June 2008, the UK Border Agency refused to grant her a visa to enter the United Kingdom because of her criminal conviction for obstructing justice. She had been planning to speak at the Royal Academy on fashion and leisure industry matters. Martha was charged with 9 counts and found guilty of 3 (conspiracy, obstruction of an agency proceeding, and making false statements to federal investigators). That's THIRTY less counts than the Giudice's are charged with. Martha wasn't accused of or charged with any kind of tax fraud or evasion nor with falsifying any kind of legal document. The closest she did was lie to the feds when questioned. Long story short, Tre is screwed. Regardless of how long her prison sentence is, she is not going to be let off the hook financially. That huge house will have to go, the shore house will have to go. The Mercedes will have to go. Ditto for the designer clothes and shoes and purses. My guess is she will have to pay back all of her creditors plus penalties plus interest and bankruptcy will not be an option for her. Her business opportunities will be limited due to restrictions that will likely be put on her travel (no more Bravo trips to the Dominican, for example). If she's also under house arrest and only allowed out 48 hours per week for work it will get very tricky for her to make appearances anywhere. She may or may not be able to even own her own company to peddle her cookbooks and everything else. Obviously I'm just guessing here, there is no telling how this will all play out for Tre. But if Martha is the comparison it ain't looking good for Tre. FYI, Martha was indicted in June 2003 and found guilty in March 2004, so 9 months later. She didn't actually have to report to prison until October 2004 and she was out in March 2005. |
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