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New Jersey In The Media; Recaps, Reviews, Media Gossip @ NJ
Topic Started: Dec 24 2011, 11:03 PM (60,459 Views)
cccharley
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Did we discuss her taking an Hermes tote to court? Well at least that is what I read. Idiots
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I'm so designer dumb I was wondering if she was wearing designer shoes or carrying a designer purse. I usually have no clue what anyone is wearing or carrying. Now is not the time to be trotting out the Louboutin's or the Birken bags. Girlfriend needs to put on Target's finest when she goes to court.
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Nah. Target is too high end for the shit she's in. She better start at Payless.
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oleander
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Nah. Target is too high end for the shit she's in. She better start at Payless.
Payless is "skeeve".
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Ha ha. This is a really funny conversation suddenly - My stepson just got a job today at Steak and Shake or something and he had to go to Payless for special rubber soled shoes and Target for black pants. LOL! Don't think he saw Tree there though.

CCC - that's a good point I guess, though it is using jail as a punishment, not a place to keep someone who is dangerous. I still don't know how I feel about that. Maybe then, instead of fining them which they'll pay with ill-gotten money, maybe garnishing wages, forcing them to do community service, etc. Something to benefit society instead of being a drain on the taxpayers. I'm just thinking out loud, but there has to be a better way.

As far as Milania goes, I think the entertainment value would be worth it, so I'd be willing to house her separately. Like in a cage. Sorry, I can't take the baby Audriana. I'm Greek, I already have a stache. We don't need 2 in this house.

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I've never thought about the use of prison as a punishment opposed to some other form of punishment. I think being stripped of all that is you: freedom, clothing, scheduling, family, choice is so horrendous that it should deter. But we know it doesn't for the worst criminals, who go out and do worse when they're released.

I never thought about it, but sending two parents to jail is punishment for the children, too -- who are innocent, despite their personalities. I don't think Monica Fucking Lawyer and Kim G have thought about the kids at all. Yes, you can say that Tree and Juicy didn't either, but in a perverse way, they were ... they wanted to have it all for the kids, too -- maybe a remnant of growing up poor. It's not like either of them were raised with money. That's why things mean so much to them. Not in an entitled way, but in a need it way.
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No one likes a big mouth lawyer - no client that is. Moncia whoever seems way too famewhorish for her chosen profession.

I think they are dead in the water with the tax stuff because they flat out didn't file. But I can see their attorneys casting doubt on the bank fraud and the people who would be witnesses against them.

As for the partner, I wonder if he is worried that Juicy got picked up by the Feds. He may have a motive to lie about giving Juicy permission to sign his name or not. They might have had a very fast and loose business arrangement. "Hey I'm signing this form okay?"

The notary stamp - the notary herself may have reason to lie because if she did notarize or did give Juicy the notary stamp then she has problems too.

Teresa can say that she did work for Juicy's companies as an executive secretary. The money they took out of the company was substantial. Doesn't get out of the tax issues, but it might help with the bank fraud issues.

I am not saying any of the above is true - just speculating about potential defenses- but I can see their defense attorneys beginning to cast doubt. If this goes to trial, it will be interesting to see if any of the people in their lives (secretary, business partner) have cut any deal with the government in order to testify. Maybe those people are squeaky clean. Or will Juicy just mea culpa for everything and serve time?

If Juicy does cooperate, that generally means that he has to cop to every illegal thing he has done in his life - not just this bank/tax stuff. He will also have to rat out someone and that includes testifying against that person at trial (unless that person takes a plea). He will be known as a rat. Will he rat? I don't know if it has the same verboten shame that it used to.
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From NJ.Com. Jac is trying hard to stay in the twitter limit:
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She retweeted a link to an online retailer offering up "FREE TRE" T-shirts for sale for $18: "Made me smile," she writes. Teresa, who is accused of hiding income from her "Housewives"-related ventures when she filed for bankruptcy and submitting fake documents to obtain mortgages, also retweeted support message from former castmate Dina Manzo, cookbook co-author Heather Maclean, and pal Elvira Grau, a party planner who appeared on the show. Grau wrote: "True friendship is acceptance without judgement, forgiveness without questions & unconditional LOVE!!

Her fellow castmates have been silent about the case, except, somewhat surprisingly, for Jacqueline Laurita, whom we last saw on Sunday night's episode firmly resistant to the idea of a rapprochement with Teresa:

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Jacqueline Laurita ✔ @JacLaurita

The press can stop coming2my door&calling my husband4us2comment regarding recent news.We have no comment,we reached out2castmembers directly
12:34 PM - 31 Jul 2013

Sounds like some fences have been mended in the months since these episodes were filmed. (Melissa Gorga did retweet Jacqueline's tweet, saying, "Enough already.")
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I was thinking they may put Tre under house arrest. However, I would be pissed as all hell if she gets house arrest in her disgusting mansion. House arrest in a little apt or living at her parent's house fine. I wonder how much of a mortgage is still on the monstrosity even though it was obtained falsely.
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I think Juicy has proven that not much will deter him from criminal activity, especially forgery. He's also proven that he doesn't really care what he's ordered to pay in restitution to someone. He just doesn't pay it. Teresa has proven that she will blindly follow her husband no matter what. I personally think if they both manage to avoid actual jail time that it will just reinforce to them that they can do whatever they want with no repercussions. I agree that it's very sad when there are children involved but there are a lot of parents in prison now. I think it's reasonable for the courts to give parents time to make arrangements for their kids, when possible, and it's reasonable for the courts to take into account the cost of caring for those children when determining what % of income and asset sales will not go to creditors but rather to the children's guardian for their care. But I don't think it's reasonable to say that anyone with minor children should not be put into jail for non-violent crimes. That would be like a free pass to so many white collar criminals.

Teresa can try and say she really did work as a secretary, sure. But then they will ask her specific questions about it. Did you work in the office? What hours? Did customers see you? Name some of them (and then they will subpoena them to testify and back up her claim). What were your job duties? Oh, now that I think about it, how on earth could Tre ever work as an executive secretary when we all saw her trying to type her blog? It would have taken her a week to type up one letter to someone! She also can't claim in one breath that she just blindly followed her husband because she was just a good little dumb wife and didn't understand what she was signing and then in the next breath claim she worked at these high paying jobs and co-owned companies for years and earned a huge salary there. Not only that but even if she really had no idea back in the day, wouldn't the fact that Juicy kept getting accused of and charged with forgery have made a light bulb go off for her within the last few years? Especially since now she's supposedly this NYT bestselling author and CEO of all of this Skinny Italian and Fabulicious stuff? Older and wiser?
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I personally think if they both manage to avoid actual jail time that it will just reinforce to them that they can do whatever they want with no repercussions.

I don't see how Juicy is going to avoid it. It seems the tax stuff alone will put him in unless it is past the statute of limitations. I think you are right that the law to Juicy is just a technicality.

I wonder if they can stay in the house at all? Does anyone know what their current debts are? I thought some of their rental properties were sold off to satisfy some of the mortgages. I would think if they were short sales, then they would owe the amount left on the fraudulent mortgages. Has she made enough over the past few years to pay off the taxes and the amounts they owe on the mortgages, drs, credit cards etc? The taxes are going to have penalties and interest. They claim the house is worth $1.9. I don't know if they could get that in today's market.
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I don't know what the current debts are but this is a link to their original bankruptcy filing.

http://www.jdsupra.com/legalnews/voluntary-petition-for-chapter-7-bankrup-54212/
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I'm not sure what the notary stamp thing is/means. I'm a notary, all I really do is notarize someone's signature if they are either known to me personally or if they prove via ID who they are. Juicy notarized his own signature on fraudulent documents? That's not really a notary issue, because it is his signature, notaries aren't responsible for verifying the document is valid/not fraudulent. Their job starts and ends at attesting to who the person was who signed. I'm not sure what he did there, did he forge someone else's name?
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But the notary has to sign as well, so I think he kept the notary's stamp and forged her name, if I read things correctly.
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Where is all of Tre's jewelry listed on her assets? She didn't list her ring so maybe it was fake but for sure she had way more gold. It must be hidden away somewhere nth is is the old one. She could have sold a ton of it when gold was high but this was after the filing. It's obvious she is hiding assets
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