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| Mariah | Nov 22 2013, 11:16 AM Post #3091 |
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I think I mentioned that case where I was the jury foreperson here before. It wasn't Federal Court, it was civil court in San Francisco, but it was a bit like this in some ways. A husband and wife, each represented by separate attorneys, and a bank, all suing each other over alleged fraudulent loans, with the husband and wife also asking for punitive damages. What a freaking mess it was. The two attorneys representing the husband and wife were very close to incompetent. The bank attorneys were scum. Everyone lied on the stand, even other attorneys that were called to testify since they were involved in the original loan deal to buy a restaurant. I was pretty young, 28 years old, and somewhat naive. I remember being disgusted by everyone's complete disregard for possible purgery charges. Personally, I could not then, and still can't imagine being on a witness stand and lying. I could not do it, and the blatant lying made me sick to my stomach. Following the financial stuff was pretty easy to do, even though in real life I hate that stuff, but weeding through the lies, and then the judge's instructions that were something like, "if caught in a lie, you can disregard the rest of their testimony, at your discretion" made it such a messy case. We ended in a hung jury, and it got so acrimonious and loud in that jury room. We deliberated for most of a week, never getting anywhere, basically a 6-6 split, some changed their vote, but then someone on the other side would as well, so it would go back to 6-6. I was the youngest, there were 4 black women who started and ended with a vote against the bank, and a desire for 2 million in punitive damages and wiping out the debt. We had a few older white men, closet racists and misogynists, on the side of the bank, which was also asking for extra money--really, a nightmare. For me, and later when I discussed it with the judge after she finally accepted that we were hopelessly "hung," the only decision was that they were ALL equally culpable. They all, including the bank, colluded to falsifying records to make this loan go through. Additionally, the bank was obviously aware of the overwhelming likelihood that the restaurant would fail, since something like 90% did, especially with clients who never had a restaurant before. They also falsified dates to make deadlines, using their own Notary (this was a huge thing for me.) I was willing to relieve the debt, but no punitive damages, and tried for that as a compromise with the rest of the jury, but it wouldn't fly. The judge later told me that she offered all of them the same deal, and warned them not to take it to court. From what I understand, attorneys on both sides took it BACK to court later. IMO they ALL played the system, so it was impossible for me to give anyone money. The only reason I wanted to relieve the debt was the stupidity of the husband/wife was overshadowed by the obviously savvy bank making a loan they KNEW was bad. As for the husband/wife punitive damages? No way in hell would I give them a dime. I will say their attorney's were so laughably bad, that had they had better representation, and lied less on the stand, they might have won with a different jury. All of this is just to say that if I were the Guidices, I might take my chances with a jury, especially a jury from New Jersey, and given the current climate of hating the damn banks for bankrupting our country with these ridiculous junk loans and malfeasance. Also, these cases are rarely cut-and-dry, even though they might seem so from the outside. Until all the evidence is in, and examined, it's impossible to know. Sometimes, even then, it's impossible to decide on guilt, since it could be on all sides. Now the whole IRS aspect? That's a whole different can of worms, and if a deal is offered there, they should take it and run. |
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| cccharley | Nov 22 2013, 11:24 AM Post #3092 |
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Let's not forget Juicy's lying and his other case - DUI and falsifying his license and using somebody else's ID. I don't know if they will let that into the case but if they do it goes to character and looks very bad. Guess we'll see. They now have till April to make deals. I just hope they take their assets at the very least to satisfy debts. It would simply be a travesty to me to see them get off with just a fine (oh Bravo can raise her salary to pay for her deal if they want to do it in a legal way). They shouldn't be going around flaunting wealth that isn't theirs. Sorry it is gross. Let them go live above the pizza parlor. It's millions - how can he satisfy that amount. As I said they had a chance to just go bankrupt which is all of our rights. They lied and blew it - including Teresa. She tried to hide those assets. She scared to death to live with the great unwashed - or at the very least a home that has been lived in already. |
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| Velvet | Nov 22 2013, 12:59 PM Post #3093 |
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Correct me if I'm wrong but husband and wife are protected from testifying against each other. I keep seeing everyone say that Teresa will testify against Juicy or some version of that. I'm pretty sure that she's protected from that. |
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| Mariah | Nov 22 2013, 01:24 PM Post #3094 |
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She doesn't have to testify, but she (they) could CHOOSE to have her testify if they thought it would help. They probably should have individual lawyers, but I can't really see Teresa doing that. |
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| WillyWonka | Nov 22 2013, 02:56 PM Post #3095 |
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IMO, it can't be both. Either she's too dumb to even know what she's signing or else she knew exactly what was going on. I also think that her endorsement deals, cookbooks, etc. will come back to bite her because there are plenty of interviews with her out there where she talks about how she's a businesswoman. I do think if it's an option that Juicy would tell her to take the deal and testify to whatever they wanted her to testify about, including against him. I think he's an old school husband in that sense, that he would take the fall and go to jail to keep his wife out. In return I also think if that happened that she would remain a loyal wife to him. |
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| oleander | Nov 22 2013, 04:54 PM Post #3096 |
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I don't think this matters, Icy. It might help alleviate something, kind of like, oh, they're not THAT bad, they're trying to pay people off, but as to the actual crime itself - they fact that they're trying doesn't mean anything, I don't think. Kind of like if they did all that with the intention of paying people back, it doesn't matter. What matters is that they misled people/banks and lied to get those loans with the intent to mislead those ppl into giving them the loans. I'm going to agree with cc here, too. They should be punished. I don't think they should get a break because they have kids. What they did was horrible as well. I see people like that, and then I wonder what I'm doing, busting my ass each month trying to make the minimum payments on my student loans when ppl like that get nothing more than a slap on the wrist, all the while having spent the millions they fraudulently procured. (It's like that stupid bailout again - where the hell is my bailout? Why don't I get one from Sallie Mae? Not that I'm bitter or anything). While I like them the best out of those wretched RHONJ ppl, I'm glad they were caught. And, yeah, obviously the banks are at fault, too, but, hello - these people knowingly sought to deceive in order to get more money than most of us will ever see. |
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| oleander | Nov 22 2013, 05:00 PM Post #3097 |
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Yeah - she can't be forced to testify against her husband. Preserving the marital relationship and blah blah blah. I mean, maybe they could put that as a requirement of the deal? That would not compel her to testify against him, but i'm not sure how that works, like, whether they make her deal contingent on testifying against him, whether that's okay or not. I think it would be, since, technically, they are not compelling her to testify against him in that she has a choice, but I'm not sure. All I know is that they can't compel her to testify against - they can't subpoena her to make her reveal incriminating things. |
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| Finestra | Nov 22 2013, 06:26 PM Post #3098 |
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It's his privilege - she can't waive it for him. But since the alleged fraud was committed by both of them, then the privilege doesn't apply. |
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| Finestra | Nov 25 2013, 11:28 AM Post #3099 |
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Radar is posting that they have intimate photos of Juicy with a mistress. Photo is of him sitting in a diner with a woman sipping coffee and wearing large sunglasses and a like a ski hat/beanie. In a diner in Secaucus. Now I don't doubt that Joe cheats/ed, but really - a diner in Secaucus? Hardly intimate. |
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| Cosmocrush | Nov 25 2013, 01:17 PM Post #3100 |
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Exactly Fin. And I've got to wonder about the person that snapped the pic and then called ROL. Who does that? Who goes out of their way to humiliate someone? Well, except ROL of course who has made a booming business of it. |
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| andme | Nov 26 2013, 04:50 PM Post #3101 |
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Juicy was pulled over again. How the frig do can they afford a Maserati? Stay off the road, Juicy! |
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| Cosmocrush | Nov 26 2013, 05:11 PM Post #3102 |
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Geeze Louise, I wonder whose Masarati it was? No inspection and no insurance? These people are unbelievable. Throw book at him, deport him, whatever. Teresa, no sharp knife herself, married a dum dum. |
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| Mariah | Nov 26 2013, 05:13 PM Post #3103 |
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Did he even get his license back yet? At least there is no mention of him being drunk. |
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| andme | Nov 26 2013, 08:19 PM Post #3104 |
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Dear God, I saw this link to Clownie's website on my friend's FB page. I guess she's gonna be watching that shitty Manzo kid's show. Clownie! |
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| Finestra | Nov 26 2013, 08:47 PM Post #3105 |
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Such heavy, ornate dining room furniture. I guess those big houses need big furniture. |
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