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| ranjake | Oct 6 2014, 10:26 PM Post #3661 |
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I think she'll be ok if she goes to Alderson or one of the others- temper wise- but the how could the kids POSSIBLY visit once a week? I'm not even a fan- have long thought they were crooks- and my heart is breaking for those kids. My SIL is a lawyer in California (she's visiting) and she thinks Joe will be deported, also. Poor kids... |
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| Finestra | Oct 7 2014, 09:12 AM Post #3662 |
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It's mandatory deportation for crimes of fraud over $10,000. It's almost impossible to show hardship. They changed the law in the 90s. |
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| ranjake | Oct 7 2014, 09:49 AM Post #3663 |
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So you think he WILL be deported, too? Excuse me, I'm dense :) |
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| andme | Oct 7 2014, 10:19 AM Post #3664 |
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LOL, I'm dense, too. How is it possible that Joe is not a citizen? |
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| IcyAll | Oct 7 2014, 10:29 AM Post #3665 |
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Joe was born in Italy, brought over as an infant, never applied to become a citizen: he's not. I'm ready for part two. I think they could have expanded their format and had a whole hour, then Andy wouldn't have had to save all the "juicy" questions for the second half. Ah, maybe he wanted to make sure they had material enough for a program. I think T&J must be under contract, or have some deal that Bravo will pay some of their expenses (maybe the BAD LAWYER expenses?) if they do this interview. How bad was it? T's hair isn't even parted straight! She's gotta be loopy. ;) |
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| Finestra | Oct 7 2014, 12:16 PM Post #3666 |
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I think this happened the day after and she is in total shock that she got so much time. I think what she meant by "I didn't understand the plea" meaning, "I never realized I would get so MUCH time by taking a plea." Like, "I thought I would stay home or get just a couple of months." I think Mariah is right after all - they are so old fashioned (and stupid morons to boot) - that Teresa just signed whatever. Like a good wife would. What good is using your brain ever? Just sign, spend $, cook dinner, have sex with your husband and shuddup about men business. How can they not think the girls won't figure out mom is in prison when they go to visit her IN PRISON! Yes, I think he will most likely be deported - it's mandatory under the law unless it poses EXTREME hardship for an american citizen (Teresa and the girls). Teresa won't be able to show enough hardship to her and the girls if he is deported. Teresa has been the bread winner for years now. She admitted last night that she is the one who really takes care of the girls. Latin Americans get deported all the time for aggravated non-violent felonies like this that involve drugs. They leave behind their families and have to go back to countries that they left as babies where they know no one a they have no family left there. Why should Joe be different? Joe during the plea allocution probably said that he understood that he could be subject to deportation, so he won't be able to argue that he didn't know. The only way may be if Teresa as a convicted felon herself may not be able to enter Italy to see him. I don't know if Italy is strict like Canada, Japan and England. But if she divorces him, that's no hardship! |
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| lovesnark | Oct 7 2014, 12:36 PM Post #3667 |
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I knew I shouldn't have watched that shit. Just more blame the lawyers, the bank, etc for everything. The only sympathy I have is for their kids. Now, I have a question....... We bought our place on a deed of trust. Never had a mortgage until we took one out on this house to build another house on some lakefront property we owned. Last night, Joe said Theresa wasn't at the closings. We both had to be there to sign the truckload of documents associated with a mortgage. I remember trading shifts with someone at work in order to be able to be at the bank to sign everything. How could the Juicys get mortgage after bogus mortgage without Theresa being there to sign? PS - We sold the house on the lake, paid off the mortgage and paid all the associated taxes :D |
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| IcyAll | Oct 7 2014, 12:41 PM Post #3668 |
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I think having to divorce him because she can't go to him in Italy WOULD be considered a hardship, since she's a Catholic. Separation of church and state means the courts can't enforce or do something that sways someone towards having to ignore their religion. But I doubt Italy has anything about non-felons entering the country. Not the land of the mafia. If Joe got deported, I could see Tree living over there, for at least half the year to start. As the girls got older, she'd probably be here more than there. It would be worse for the girls. I know someone who today is crossing the border back to Canada, where she came from. She tried to stay here, but was deported a few months ago (legally). For her it was all tied into her student status. She lost student loans due to poor grades and the INS swooped in and said "out!" She has no one left in Canada, so has to find a place to land. Joe, OTOH, has lots of family in Italy and an immediate place to stay and probably work. Bravo could argue that he's a star of their program and they need him here … but by the time he's out of prison, that could be over, too. ETA: Lovesnark, Joe and Tree said she wasn't there at the closings of all his business dealings, the only one she WAS at was for their house/property they live in now. So she was there. Edited by IcyAll, Oct 7 2014, 12:42 PM.
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| cccharley | Oct 7 2014, 01:25 PM Post #3669 |
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I just posted on the wwhl thread. It was discussed on tmz. Icy you can move it here if you want T |
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| lovesnark | Oct 7 2014, 01:39 PM Post #3670 |
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Thanks, Icy. I'll admit I was only half listening after Theresa blamed her stable of lawyers for not explaining what taking a plea meant and that she's only sorry for being such a 'trustworthy' person that she signed legal documents without having a clue what she was signing. |
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| Finestra | Oct 7 2014, 02:19 PM Post #3671 |
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Yeah, last night they said the loans were in her name - not just the one on Chateau Onyx Juicy - because she had better credit. But she signed at home and never had to go to the closings. That is a huge red flag to me that Joe probably had a buddy down at the bank that was helping him with these fraudulent loans. Maybe the guy kept switching banks or maybe there was a group of them that worked at different banks that were all colluding and splitting the monies that they got off the loans. Every loan/refinance that we ever did over the last 25 years I had to be at the bank to sign - even in the old days when they were giving money away like water. For Teresa not to go?? That's crazy. Now those banks think they should be at the front of the line to get paid back? I say put them at the back of the line and pay back all the other creditors first. |
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| oleander | Oct 7 2014, 02:56 PM Post #3672 |
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Well, I guess you have to learn stupidity from somewhere? In this case, his parents were obviously not too bright. My family and I came over to the US in the late 80s, and my parents never let the greencard/citizenship status lag. I don't see how you could not be worried and on top of immigration things, especially given how serious this country is about immigration (I guess, for some groups more than others). Anyway, color me confused. I just don't see how you could possibly not become a citizen after being here for this long. But I suppose people have different priorities. |
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| Finestra | Oct 7 2014, 03:39 PM Post #3673 |
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Some people just keep renewing their green card. They are proud to be Italians (or whatever). Now someone said that Joe's parents and brother all got their citizenship. I think for Joe it might have been hard because he would have had to take the citizenship test. Don't you remember him and Rosie helping Gia with her homework? Rosie is lucky she didn't have to take one. Teresa too for that matter! Also, maybe he had some misdemeanors or petty crimes that would have made it hard? He was here legally as a resident alien or whatever. |
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| oleander | Oct 7 2014, 04:21 PM Post #3674 |
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I agree with you. I just find it so strange that after being here for so long, why wouldn't you just go ahead and get your citizenship? I mean, you know, in case you're convicted of a felony or something... And a lot of people remain dual citizens, so I just don't get it. I guess you just don't get around to doing it. |
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| Shoppergal | Oct 7 2014, 04:40 PM Post #3675 |
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But tre is a citizen...so why isn't juicy one via their marriage? |
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