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Rh Of New York Media; Recaps, Gossip, Blogs
Topic Started: Jan 17 2012, 08:51 PM (58,653 Views)
Finestra
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Well Kristen and Josh won the Hollywood Squares type of game that was on Steve Harvey. She beat Tamra and Eddie and Peter and Cynthia.
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I'm a west coast farm girl who knows next to nothing about east coast, old money high society. But, from the little bit I do understand, I believe that ones financial reputation is of the utmost importance. You can be batshit crazy, a serial cheater, an irresponsible, trust fund party animal, etc. But, you don't do things that cause people to question your financial integrity. What Sonja did surely made John Morgan blow a gasket.
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Well, go Kristen (I can't get to 'go Kristen and Josh!' yet).

lovesnark, that's interesting. I'd be interested whether that specific piece of it is a major impediment now to Sonja's dating life. It's not the debt - it's stunning to me but that money is not significant to the rich - but what she did. I think it's not even the attempt to walk away, but lying about the involvement of her ex, her desperate insisting that he's still financially obliged to her outside of her daughter, and her attempt to quash that suit by having another friend be or pretend to be a heavy that would make any sane man run, not walk, away from her. It's not like she's turned a new leaf on-air - she's still insisting she's 'had no settlement.'
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That is really interesting info on Sonja. Everything else I had read framed it as poor Sonja was being picked on by the big, meanie movie company.
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May 3 2014, 11:47 AM
Well, go Kristen (I can't get to 'go Kristen and Josh!' yet).

lovesnark, that's interesting. I'd be interested whether that specific piece of it is a major impediment now to Sonja's dating life. It's not the debt - it's stunning to me but that money is not significant to the rich - but what she did. I think it's not even the attempt to walk away, but lying about the involvement of her ex, her desperate insisting that he's still financially obliged to her outside of her daughter, and her attempt to quash that suit by having another friend be or pretend to be a heavy that would make any sane man run, not walk, away from her. It's not like she's turned a new leaf on-air - she's still insisting she's 'had no settlement.'
Her insistance that he's still obligated to her financially is a real head scratcher for those of us who aren't delusional. He gave her what she agreed to in the prenup and gave her the townhouse free and clear. Her saying that he owes her more because 'they talked about things during their marriage' is worth nothing. They may have talked but if it's not on paper, it's just talk.

Had she not lied about him being involved in her wannabe movie career and been sued as a result of the lies, he may have been more amiable to coughing up more money. Her claim that not giving her more money means he doesn't care about their daughter is such bullshit. That girl will have the best of everything her father's money can buy. She's a Morgan. Sonja's not.

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Camo, yes I saw that article about Lee. I suspect she doesn't have a whole lot of money. Enough to live well, but not lavishly. She seemed interesting, and had nice friends to eat with every night, in Paris. Not such a bad old age. She had a daughter too, probably same age as Carole, wonder what she does?

Here is Sonja's Facebook post. She created jobs for people, when was that? And she has a misspelling of "you're" to boot.

My BFF Ramona Singer doesn't always get it quite right! Restructuring your assets to pay a multi million dollar judgement that resulted from doing business and creating hundreds of jobs while producing doesn't mean your bankrupt! Thanks for starting that rumor while I am not even in the room!

Thanks AllThingsRH for watching and blogging about Real Housewives of New York City and Real Housewives of Atlanta The Real Housewives of Beverly Hills Fun to read!
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Ouch. I object to "Sonja's not (a Morgan)." -- She married him, she got the name legally. As far as I know, it was her only marriage where he's been married several times? I'm just not ready to say it's all her fault. We all know, I think, that people promise things and renege and pointing at her episode of this but giving him a pass is … not equal. I had a boss who said "when you quit we're going to take care of you" because the job was for a specific time period and I was like family. Nada, zip, bupkiss … I went on with life. But I was unencumbered. Sonja has her daughter -- Morgan can't be paying for everything, no way. So he took her freedom and probably promised stuff and didn't pony up … she's vulnerable as she now has a child. I'm just not going to say he's acting honorably and he can go now.

As for the movie deal, it does sound -- from these details -- that she fucked up and tried to run. If she had formed an LLC she could have done that, right? It's just that she was stupid and not a smart business person that she got caught with her foot in the door … I think it's true that deals fall through -- even when you check them out. It's a gamble not only because the movie could fail and they could all lose everything (except Travolta, who was paid and has nothing to complain about).
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May 3 2014, 02:21 AM
I don't know if anyone here has read this. I hadn't. It's very informative and really spells out what lead up to Sonja being sued. A couple of the lawyers at TWoP are talking about the bankruptcy and one of them posted this.

http://www.hamricklaw.com/news-media/articles/it-takes-courage-strength-the-power-conviction-of-one-voice-to-right-a-wrong/

After reading it, I wonder if this is one of the biggest reasons her ex is completely over and done with her. She lead people to believe he (and his money) was involved.


Very interesting lovesnark. I believe it. She thought she could go commando and it would all go away.
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That girl will have the best of everything her father's money can buy. She's a Morgan. Sonja's not.

No, but she was. She is and always be his daughter's mother as well. That should count for something, as should the 17 years they were together (married 10) which was basically Sonja's youth. I wonder what his daughter will think of her father when she gets old enough to read the details of their divorce herself.

He also tied her up in court for almost seven years by refusing to pay the $3 million lump-sum divorce judgment along with $300K (which were in the pre-nup) in alimony dragging an appeal - simply because he could. He also blocked the sale of any properties that were jointly owned. Seven years is a lot of energy and money to get a judgment that could have been easily paid so that both parties could move on.
At some point his legal bills probably equaled the judgment, so his continued appeals seem vindictive.

I won't argue that Sonja made some rotten business decisions, although she was married when she started that movie deal and I'm sure she never dreamed this was how it would end up. But I don't think she deserves the kind of harassment she's received from her ex-husband and the father of her daughter either.

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Finestra
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On Twop they keep saying she blew through a $25 million settlement. Is that with the properties?

I think she has lived fast and loose. She didn't do what Luann did as far as we know and live sensibly.
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Finestra
May 2 2014, 04:44 PM
Well luxe, lush fabrics. I am sure everything including the rug has silk in it. It's not my favorite. I guess I am not sophisticated enough for it. Looking toward the window, the scale looks great. But the antique thing in the right corner looks squat. And I don't love the credenza table and I really hate the painting with the bloody X on the face. Just me. I would have redone the kitchen. And I don't love the silver ceiling with all the tone of the room. The hallway is cool, but where is it?
I hate the painting :( (drawing? litho?)
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Ouch. I object to "Sonja's not (a Morgan)." -- She married him, she got the name legally. As far as I know, it was her only marriage where he's been married several times? I'm just not ready to say it's all her fault. We all know, I think, that people promise things and renege and pointing at her episode of this but giving him a pass is … not equal.


I'm sorry. I didn't mean to offend anyone. What I was trying to convey is that their daughter will be taken care of financially because she is a Morgan by birth. Sonja knew when she married him that he'd been married previously and she agreed to the terms of the prenup. After watching her for a few seasons, I'm not sure I believe her saying he promised to give her more than she got. There seems to be quite a difference between Sonja's world and reality.

I wasn't giving him a pass. But, trying to understand why he will not budge on giving her more money. The only one I have sympathy for is their daughter. They were divorced in 2006 and are still fighting over money. And, I can only imagine how mortifying it is to have your mother airing it all on TV.
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Does anyone have a link to a writeup about the Morgan's divorce, when they first met, length of their marriage and what the final divorce decree required, that kind of thing? Cosmo, the second I heard Sonja talk about them being together for 17 years, it sounded hinky to me. I don't think she's been honest about much of their relationship, including duration. I know I sound whack writing that - I just think she's very shifty, and I thought that early on. I softened a lot to her this season, but the article lovesnark and some TWoPpers found was like, whoa.

If she lied to a production company about John Morgan's involvement, I imagine not only would he never, ever step in to pay her debt, but it would make him much more obdurate about anything relating strictly to her and not their daughter. That is probably not the best way to be, since they'll always be connected through their girl, but I do think it's understandable. I forget if it was here or on TWoP but someone pointed out that scene last season when Sonja described dressing up for a meeting with him, styling her hair his favorite way: he's remarried. To one of her former friends. That gate is closed, and locked. But it's telling about her perspective - she think she can get what she wants out of him, still - even if he's held fast for years and years. It's a little depressing.
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On Twop they keep saying she blew through a $25 million settlement. Is that with the properties?

At the time, I think I read that she declared bankruptcy (or was going to) because of not only the $7 million from the movie deal (her offer of $3 million to settle was turned down) but almost $20 million in debt. I took that to mean the expenses (like attorney fees etc.) she had rung up waiting for her divorce judgment to be paid and the divorce settlement completed. So while she ran up that amount of debt, it's not like she ever had it and blew through it. But I don't know all the nitty gritty details, just what I remember reading at the time.

As far as I know, John Morgan still hasn't paid her the divorce judgment, but that might have happened over the year they weren't on TV. I think towards the last part of the last season she said, "they were talking." so who knows?

I've never thought of Sonja as shifty, more like flighty and scattered. I'm not sure she has the focus to plot out anything shifty. Either way though it adds up to an unreliable track record with the whatever is the truth.
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Camo
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I wish I could find links but I can't - I think John Adams Morgan has been very good at burying what might otherwise exist online. From TWoP, my sense of things was that Morgan gave Sonja a settlement per the pre-nup terms and the townhouse free and clear, so she got her settlement. I can't substantiate that though. Damn you, Sonja's ex!

Cosmo, the article reinforced a sense I had of Sonja - I do see her as shifty. If, as the producers allege, she had a friend call them to try and get them to back off the suit, I see her as quite manipulative. She cost them in serious ways, and (allegedly) had someone try to bully them out of seeking recompense? That is so different from the Sonja on the show.
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