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Topic Started: Jan 17 2012, 08:51 PM (58,576 Views)
Mariah
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It does look like bad plastic surgery, her face looks great until she smiles, and then she has this weird line under her nose. What the hell causes that PS experts? I hope it was just botox or an injection!

I'm just copy/pasting this post from Sucks. HOLY CRAP!
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This is a great article about the fight over the Tribeca apartment and the comments are also worth reading. If this is what Bethenny was dealing with during filming, I can understand why she was so emotional and didn't want to talk about it with these women that she basically doesn't know... and have it on camera.

http://allaboutthetea.com/2015/05/21/bethenny-frankel-get-her-tribeca-pad-back-after-judge-rules-trust-used-to-purchase-property-is-invalid/


Heather, IMO is just way too pushy, and Kristen is grabbing at anything to stay relevant. I really can't see Bethenny having much in common with Kristen, especially since Kristen is staying in a sucky relationship, and Bethenny trying her best to leave one. They both seem to be trying WAY too hard to get "in" with Bethenny, rather than letting stuff develop over time, and she's not taking "pushy" with much forbearance.
Edited by Mariah, Jun 11 2015, 10:07 PM.
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So. After the marriage, after the apartment was purchased, they formed a "trust" that Bethenny says Jason told her was to protect her privacy, but which was actually to declare that as a married couple, everything one owned, the other owned, too. And it was notarized in part by Carol Hoppy, his mother -- who is a notary public in Pennsylvania. Why wouldn't Carol trust her son that Bethenny signed it? She would; but nevertheless, a notary is only saying "this person who is definitely this person signed this document in front of me" … they're not saying the person understood it, just that the signature was made in front of them and they knew it was that person, or checked in specified ways. Now, Carol knows Bethenny, so in Pennsylvania if B signed something, Carol could notarize her signature. There's no issue with her being family for this. Where it becomes an issue is that she seems to have signed her notarization on a signature she was told was Bethenny's, that she did not witness and she stands to profit via her son's ownership of millions of dollars of real estate.

I can see Jason cooking this up. He owns property, he gets it. However, in my reading of it all, Carol is now in danger, which is leverage B now has over Jason. Basically, give me what I want or your mother goes to jail and is fined.

I did train to be a notary in NYS. I didn't go through with it, because the jail fines and rules were so scary.
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I'm sure Dr. Amador has told her that her attachment to money is a result of her abandonment issues. Sad.
In my life I've found that people who are cheap with money are cheap in all ways; there is probably a name for it.
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Read more: http://www.tmz.com/#ixzz3cmt3Fo00

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Even more shockingly, other documents signed by Frankel and Hoppy as part of the purchase are “unenforceable and invalid,” the papers claim, and Hoppy’s own mother is to blame!

Hoppy’s mom is a notary in Pennsylvania, and her stamp and signature appear on some of the signing documents. However, the documents state “that she is a ‘notary public in and for the State of New York,'” which is not true. Frankel “claims, and [Hoppy] does not deny, that neither party” ever went to Pennsylvania to sign the forms.

Frankel insisted in the court papers that Hoppy “duped her into executing the trust agreement, in order to make the apartment joint property under the prenuptial.” She “alleges that the apartment was purchased with her separate property, and seeks an award of the apartment to her on that basis.”

On May 4, the judge ruled that “it is undisputed that the signatures of the parties … were not acknowledged in the presence of the person claiming to have acknowledged those signatures. It is also undisputed that the power of attorneys were not even signed in the state where the notary public was credentialed, Pennsylvania.”

“Contrary to [Jason’s] argument,” the judge said, “the trust agreement is a matrimonial agreement, since it was made between spouses and purports to govern property ownership as between them. Accordingly the trust agreement is subject to strict formality requirements.”

“Where no valid trust was created by reason of failure to comply with the formalities … any transfer into or out of the putative trust is null and void. Accordingly the transfer of the apartment into the trust was null and void.”

“The deed must be reformed in order to reflect the proper identity of the purchase, since the trust never existed, and cannot therefore have taken title to the apartment.”

The judge asked Frankel and Hoppy to do that, and refile their motions as needed.


http://radaronline.com/celebrity-news/bethenny-frankel-divorce-drama-apartment-jason-hoppy/

Well, well, well, Mrs Hoppy *Jason's mom* this pretty much stinks to high heaven.

Moved from the wrong threads...oops.

Jason is scum, especially if he dragged his mother into this. You don't get to live the rest of your life on someone else's dime just because you were married for a very very few years, male or female, and it looks like he planned this, while pretending to be "in love." Big payday for the jerk, or it was, until the judge ruled.
Edited by Mariah, Jun 12 2015, 12:26 PM.
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I don't see him as that evil, as in planning it all along. But at some point he definitely decided "fry the bitch" and has gone all out. Yes, he says nothing to the press -- because that has worked for him. She can't avoid press, so he plays the opposite.

The paper she signed had no details on it, as in it could have been from some other document, slipped in -- something that did have to do with Pennsylvania.
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I don't think Bethenny can claim innocent when it comes to signing legal documents. The trust was created so that if something happened to Bethenny (she died) then Jason would become the trustee and wouldn't have to move out of the apartment with Bryn. I think he is trying to use the trust to show that they intended to use the apartment as a marital home not just as a business. This is a messy divorce filled with a lot of acrimony. After the stunt she pulled with the custody battle, testifying against him and then agreeing to settle before he could cross examine or testify against her, she should have expected no holds barred in the divorce.

I know a lot of people think he should just walk away, but we don't know what happened in that marriage. Bethenny is a pill. She can piss people off. I don't think Jason is Prince Charming or was perfect in that marriage either, but seeing her in action this season, makes me think she was impossible to live with, and once she decided she was done, there was no talking to her. That can piss a spouse and father of a child off to no degree. You reap what you sow in life. And this silent scorched earth policy of his might be a result of that. Might. Like Icy said, he's awfully silent. But whatever the case, he has a case or the court would've thrown him out by now.

The notary stuff is a red herring. Carole's Notary Seal would clearly have had PA on it. It doesn't matter what the preprinted form said. Carole notarized their signatures. Why would she not trust her son IF he said Bethenny signed it. I don't doubt that Bethenny did sign it. The trust was created when they were all in love. It was to protect Bryn's homestead after Bethenny died.
Edited by Finestra, Jun 13 2015, 07:55 AM.
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Thanks for that explanation, fin.

It'll be so much better for everyone when the divorce is finalized. Hope Bryn is doing OK.
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She's all over the place with her allegations. She claims that she doesn't know it was her signature because she was never in the office of the lawyer that created it (- but that doesn't mean it was signed in his office - her apartment was her office they easily could've signed there). I don't think she is contesting that the trust was created is she? Just that the apt is a marital asset. She is saying that he duped her into signing, and that she never read it and only saw the signature page. He told her that it was to maintain her privacy. So she did sign then? Huh? I think in law, you are presumed to have read everything that you have signed.

Alls I know (tm countess) is that when we did our mortgage/house purchase, we initialed every paged of the contract in addition to signing the signature pages.
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If she didn't read it then that's her fault. How stupid to sign a legal document without reading/scanning over it.
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I would love to have her take a polygraph! Not that they are admissible. There is no way I think Jason planned this in advance of the marriage or is smart enough to additionally she wasn't that rich when they met in a bar nor when they got married

Must have missed the plastic surgery convo. Off to read it since I just spoken orbit today after seeing her on access Hollywood. She had a ton of surgery. I think she had a facelift. Maybe one those lifestyle lifts. Her skin is sooo tight and thin around her cheeks. I'll have to look for the line Mariah. Didn't notice since her cheeks are in my face. As I said her eyes looked smaller and they were always big. It was her best feature. Could have been the way they did the makeup.
Edited by cccharley, Jun 13 2015, 08:32 PM.
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Okay just looked at the radar pics. Her bottom face doesn't match the top. More they can do up there than down below. Funny I didn't know it was after the access Hollywood thing when i totally noticed. I think she has always hated the way she looks. She'll continue until she's liken Joan rivers with the surgery. It probably started back when she was bulimic and never changed. Only her bank account did.
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I think she looks good with the short hair, and I think fillers in the bottom half of her face. It took away the angles of her chin. No plastic surgery holds up to close scrutiny, but those photos of her in the gray outfit? getting Bryn out of the SUV, she looks good. Younger, more hip and polished than with the long hair and more racoony eyes/hollow cheeks that she had been sporting.

Her knees in the one photo don't look so great, but in the rest they look fine. Geez, she's so thin and does exercise all the time. If her knees can look like that, what hopes do I have!
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I don't feel like reading the articles again, but I thought they said that she DID NOT sign it, could be forged, either way, it needed to be done in front of a notary, and that NEVER happened. Jason and/or his mother did it on their own. The judge already looked at the evidence and decided in her favor (after years of this shit.)
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So I'm confused. Is she saying she didn't sign the form at all and it was forged? If so then did she think she signed something else to purchase the apartment? If not how did she think they were able to move in and live there? Or is she saying she did sign it but she didn't bother to read it first? Wasn't the apartment in the name of one of her assistants? Didn't she wonder what was up with that, if this was all a scam on Jason's part? Do any of us really believe that she wouldn't have her own lawyer look over all of this kind of stuff before she signed legal documents?
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(drat, I'll have to read the whole thing again!)

Here are the links:

http://radaronline.com/celebrity-news/bethenny-frankel-divorce-drama-apartment-jason-hoppy/
ETA, found the other link, but looks like they used RoL after all. Found the other link! http://allaboutthetea.com/2015/05/21/bethenny-frankel-get-her-tribeca-pad-back-after-judge-rules-trust-used-to-purchase-property-is-invalid/

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Specifically, she claims that when she signed, she believed, based on her communication with her husband, that the trust ‘was only to maintain privacy given her public recognition and that [the husband] would only be managing the property for her benefit.'”

“She never read the trust agreement before signing it, and does not recall ever being shown any part of it except for the signature page,” the documents state.

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As such, Frankel “questions whether the signature purporting to be hers … is in fact hers at all, [a claim which] the husband does not deny …”

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What’s more, “it is also undisputed that neither [Bethenny], [Jason], nor the trustee was ever present in the office” of the attorney who allegedly witnessed their signatures on the trust agreement, according to the documents, and none of them had ever met him before the agreement was signed either.

Even more shockingly, other documents signed by Frankel and Hoppy as part of the purchase are “unenforceable and invalid,” the papers claim, and Hoppy’s own mother is to blame!

Hoppy’s mom is a notary in Pennsylvania, and her stamp and signature appear on some of the signing documents. However, the documents state “that she is a ‘notary public in and for the State of New York,'” which is not true. Frankel “claims, and [Hoppy] does not deny, that neither party” ever went to Pennsylvania to sign the forms.


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the purchase of the apartment closed on August 18, 2011, funded by a loan in the amount of $2,300,000 and by approximately $2,700,000 from an account in Frankel’s name. Frankel claims that she took out the loan.


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On November 28, 2011, Hoppy was appointed sole successor trustee of the trust — for privacy reasons, Frankel says she believed. Now that they’ve split, however, that means he gets to stay there. Frankel insisted in the court papers that Hoppy “duped her into executing the trust agreement, in order to make the apartment joint property under the prenuptial.” She “alleges that the apartment was purchased with her separate property, and seeks an award of the apartment to her on that basis.”


THE IMPORTANT PART, WHAT THE JUDGE SAYS:
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On May 4, the judge ruled that “it is undisputed that the signatures of the parties … were not acknowledged in the presence of the person claiming to have acknowledged those signatures. It is also undisputed that the power of attorneys were not even signed in the state where the notary public was credentialed, Pennsylvania.”

“Contrary to [Jason’s] argument,” the judge said, “the trust agreement is a matrimonial agreement, since it was made between spouses and purports to govern property ownership as between them. Accordingly the trust agreement is subject to strict formality requirements.”

“Where no valid trust was created by reason of failure to comply with the formalities … any transfer into or out of the putative trust is null and void. Accordingly the transfer of the apartment into the trust was null and void.”

“The deed must be reformed in order to reflect the proper identity of the purchase, since the trust never existed, and cannot therefore have taken title to the apartment.”

The judge asked Frankel and Hoppy to do that, and refile their motions as needed.


So, while Bethenny was busy pleasing Jason, and trusting him, he was already getting his ducks in a row for a huge divorce pay off. This is a pretty huge "WIN" for Bethenny, probably the first one she's had during these divorce proceedings. The judge found in her favor, and Jason, probably not wanting to have a perjury charge OR possibly get his mother in trouble "didn't dispute" any of it.
Edited by Mariah, Jun 13 2015, 10:26 PM.
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