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Topic Started: Jan 17 2012, 08:51 PM (58,555 Views)
Mariah
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Now I had to google what is an "uncredited producer?"

So far, no real answers, but there sure are a lot of people who've been one. Donna Reed is reportedly the first female, http://www.donnareed.org/html/templates/dr_detail.php?dr_detail=drshow
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Both in front and behind the cameras, history was continuously being made. Both Paul Petersen and Shelley Fabares recorded hit singles in 1962, My Dad and Johnny Angel respectively, the latter one earning a gold record with over a million copies sold. Donna Reed served as an uncredited producer and director of the show, becoming the industry's earliest woman television executive. Donna received a number of Emmy award nominations, and she won a Golden Globe for Best Female Television Star in 1962.


https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jack_Nicholson_filmography Jack Nicholson on The Two Jakes in 1990 as well.

Tons of future famous producers have been uncredited as well. The closest I can get to an answer through google is that Uncredited Producers get paid, but not the producer credit on screen.

There sure are a lot of producers on films and in TV! http://johnaugust.com/2004/producer-credits-and-what-they-mean
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Oct 17 2015, 12:11 PM
What's an uncredited producer?

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Bethenny Frankel, the founder “Skinnygirl Cocktails,” is an entrepreneur and even she manages her responsibilities related to the reality television shows. She has already appeared on the shows like The “Apprentice: Martha Stewart” and “The Real Housewives of New York City” and this time she is reportedly acting as an “uncredited producer” for the Bravo reality show’s eighth season. Continue reading to know more about this multi-talented woman.


http://www.movienewsguide.com/bethenny-frankel-wants-cocktail-says-liquor-business-hard-marketed-toward-men/107587
Didn't Andy absolutely deny that Bethenny had any say in the production of the show, credited or not?



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This is her press agent planting stories
Edited by cccharley, Oct 18 2015, 02:15 PM.
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Btw. She can be listed on IMDb as a producer with (uncredited). Sometimes they are and most times they are not. IMDb tries to research as much as they can but some things slip thru the cracks
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I seem to remember Andy denying it during her first go-round years, not so sure he did about this past season, or on the Bethenny Wedding/etc. shows.
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Well it wasn't really an issue in the first go round years. Andy said it recently.

http://www.people.com/article/real-housewives-of-new-york-city-bethenny-frankel-no-say-editing-andy-cohen
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That's about editing, not producing though. Producers do all kinds of things, but they aren't all involved with editing.

I thought it came up during the first go-round though, probably during the Jill goes nuts, writes her own reviews and threatening people on Amazon.com, decides to sink Bethenny, and asks her castmates to assist in that because she was jealous as hell the Bethenny was invited to TV shows without her, and was about to get her own spin off. Of course, Jill was slewing bullshit everywhere back then, so it may have been during one of those delusions of hers.
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Lol. Jill is responsible for Bethenny being an uncredited producer?

Clearly, Bethenny has had a big hand in the show. Not sure why he doesn't just give her credit (or blame) for it.
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Oct 19 2015, 07:23 PM
That's about editing, not producing though. Producers do all kinds of things, but they aren't all involved with editing.

I thought it came up during the first go-round though, probably during the Jill goes nuts, writes her own reviews and threatening people on Amazon.com, decides to sink Bethenny, and asks her castmates to assist in that because she was jealous as hell the Bethenny was invited to TV shows without her, and was about to get her own spin off. Of course, Jill was slewing bullshit everywhere back then, so it may have been during one of those delusions of hers.
I'm missing your point. You mean when Jill was apparently an uncredited producer, she accused Bethenny of being an uncredited producer?

I believe being involved with hiring and firing is producer activity, also determining the show's narrative and those are the things Bethenny was accused of/credited with on this year's season
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Oct 19 2015, 10:49 PM
Lol. Jill is responsible for Bethenny being an uncredited producer?

Clearly, Bethenny has had a big hand in the show. Not sure why he doesn't just give her credit (or blame) for it.
Didn't she try to cast Jenny McCarthy (barf)?

Yeah, I'd lay the blame at Bethenny's doorstep if I were Andy.

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Well Jill did claim credit for the casting season 1, but she was never an uncredited producer.

I do think Bethenny was sticking her 2 cents in Andy's ear a lot. Whether the editors ever listened is another story. I do think she had a lot of say about how her character was going to be portrayed when they did her contract. No mention of a boyfriend, lots of filming of her woe is me/psychiatrist/homeless/crying schtick.

I think they realized she wasn't playing well and decided that less of Bethenny as the lead and more of Bethenny as a side kick/ensemble/greek chorus was the way to go. And that worked beautifully the 2nd half. We still had talking heads of her commenting on things she wasn't there to be a part of (Naked Man), but more proportion of Talking Heads to the other women. More of the other women interacting without her. It was a more balanced, more fun and better show.

As uncredited producer, I absolutely think she believes she had a hand in Heather not getting a better edit and Kristen getting fired. They reportedly paid Bethenny a million $. They weren't going to let Heather come across better than Bethenny, but Heather's last true line on the show was great - "You choose to be a bitch." Bye bye HWs! And Kristen was an easy mark/low hanging fruit.

I think Bethenny believes she was an uncredited producer because Andy treated her as one/let her believe she was one. Whether in actuality she was one, who knows. He could have used a lot of her ideas. And she could have seen a lot of them on screen and thought to herself, "Hey, he listened to me!"
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That was probably written into her contract finer grading what cannot be mentioned nor discussed. It was probably what made part of the show appear unnatural and not real since we all new IRL she was dating. It came off as false

So a Producer and depending on what level of producer will have say on the editing and who is hired. Approval on contracts. I used to think it was the director who had final
Say on who is hired but that's why you see dual roles. Producer and director. So let's see you go on an audition. You have a producer and director session on one of the call backs. You can have one both producer and director at the same time or the whole creative team or just a director session but producer has the final
Say unless they agree to let the director choose. There can be many or
Few CBS They can have something called a chemistry read where they sit you down with the actors already hired to see how you play off each other. All these sessions are taped
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I thought that may have been one of the insane things Jill threw out way back then, in anger over becoming the most hated housewife. She was insane, getting off the show has been the best thing ever for her, she seems happy now, and to be enjoying her wealthy life once again.

I believe Andy when he says Bethenny didn't have editing privileges. It seems very possible that Bethenny asked for and received producing status, didn't need the credit for it, but did need something from it, most likely scheduling options, since she has commitments to Beam, and limited time with her daughter.
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Oct 20 2015, 02:02 PM
I thought that may have been one of the insane things Jill threw out way back then, in anger over becoming the most hated housewife. She was insane, getting off the show has been the best thing ever for her, she seems happy now, and to be enjoying her wealthy life once again.

I believe Andy when he says Bethenny didn't have editing privileges. It seems very possible that Bethenny asked for and received producing status, didn't need the credit for it, but did need something from it, most likely scheduling options, since she has commitments to Beam, and limited time with her daughter.
Seems to me scheduling hours and days comes under an individual's contractual negotiations, not producer credit or non credit.
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Just being a loud-mouth and some of what you spew coming to fruition does not make you a producer, credited or not.

If Bethenny was an "uncredited producer" it would mean she was in meetings and her opinion was considered, or contributed to the final decisions. We know she suggested Aviva D., but Jill suggested a few people. The difference would be whether they asked her to think of people or she just was pushy.

I think producer is an active pre-production tag in this case. It's not about how the show was edited, but how the show was captured for someone like B. She can make situations hotter simply by agreeing to film. Look at the scenes where they were all saying "Is she coming" and the drama over whether she would or not, why she couldn't and how that reason compared to their lives, and when she did show up what it meant and who reacted over it and how. She could have planned that with the producers, at least to say "let's drop this bomb into the works" and that would make her a producer -- literally someone who produced the show. Uncredited because the other HWs would treat her differently if her name was on the show -- they'd be less susceptible to her machinations or just plans that involve her, suspecting everything for being plotted against them.

But you know, who cares? Her impact was about her history, IMO, not about what she could do, but who she was and what was going on in real life with her -- her success just set her apart (the money) and that was enough of a bomb that anything else was just frosting on the cake. Even if Bravo paid her, or made her credited, it wouldn't change whether she could buy toilet paper or a bigger apartment and won't make her more viable as someone to hire -- producers are less hired than self-employed. IMO.
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