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Rh Of New York Media; Recaps, Gossip, Blogs
Topic Started: Jan 17 2012, 08:51 PM (58,714 Views)
IcyAll
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I was thinking about it, why Andy likes some of the women who (it seems) the rest of us HATE, passionately ... Kyle, Caroline, Phaedra (I'm not using nicknames because I'm serious, LOL) -- I think it's the thing about how some gay men will love powerful, bitchy women. Like revering Alexis Carrington or Joan Crawford. Whatever relationship they've had with women in their own life, there's something about mean women that appeals to them. Maybe it fortifies a stereotype they have, that they think these women are just more honest about what it means to be a woman ... I haven't figured that out or even come to a hypothesis, but it's something I've noticed. The bigger of a bitch I am, the more gay men flock to me -- in NYC when I was singing in (gay) clubs, if I was snarky and bitchy and gossipy, the gay men laughed and stayed by me and bought me drinks. If I was nice they smiled and moved on.

Moving to the second tier, I think Andy doesn't like the Lisas and Teresas as much because they're womenly women -- openly adore their husbands, love their kids, care about home life and only reply meanly when provoked. Actually, I think Andy likes GIGGY more than Lisa, but he likes Lisa ... he's just attached to Kyle. Vicki G., from what I've seen of her, also falls into that category a bit ... though she sort of straddles, depending on how much she wants Brooks to fuck her, I guess.


CCC, you said Bethenny has lost tons of fans. What are you basing that on?
Edited by IcyAll, May 10 2013, 01:35 PM.
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May 10 2013, 01:29 PM


Moving to the second tier, I think Andy doesn't like the Lisas and Teresas as much because they're womenly women -- openly adore their husbands, love their kids, care about home life and only reply meanly when provoked. Actually, I think Andy likes GIGGY more than Lisa, but he likes Lisa ... he's just attached to Kyle. Vicki G., from what I've seen of her, also falls into that category a bit ... though she sort of straddles, depending on how much she wants Brooks to fuck her, I guess.

Icy, how can you put Lisa in the same sentence with that screaming silverback Teresa? Teresa, whose claim to fame is rage flipping a table in restaurant. Teresa who waited for Dinyell at a fashion show attack her and then physically chased her out of the place?

I don't think Teresa and her ingredienteses are even close to being in the same class as Lisa with Andy or otherwise.
Edited by Cosmocrush, May 10 2013, 01:48 PM.
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Today, Wendy Williams said Sonja's 23 year old boyfriend has moved in with her. That's so Sonja. She should be hustling the rich old guys digging for some gold but instead this horny ho is supporting her boy toy, lol.


Where's Sonja living now? Didn't she sell the townhouse?

I read that Sonja's pissed at Ramona because Ramona was negotiating with Bravo behind her back.
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That Ramona is a snake.

I think they are all pissed that Nene is getting a million and Tre in all her silverback glory is getting 650? Or am I wrong about Tre?
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May 10 2013, 01:52 PM


Where's Sonja living now? Didn't she sell the townhouse?
I read that Sonja's pissed at Ramona because Ramona was negotiating with Bravo behind her back.
I thought she did sell it andme and Wendy didn't say where - just that he moved in with her because he lost his apartment, lol.

Maybe because I'm not a business person or an entertainer but I don't get why the salaries are so important to them now. I think these famewhores would do it for free - which they basically did during S1.
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Are any of them really getting $65k a season?
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I can see them wanting better salaries, and I don't blame them for trying. What they don't seem to understand is RATINGS get you the higher salaries.

If Jill comes back (or when hell freezes over, whichever comes first) I'll be down to one HW show, RHBH.

New York was good back in the day before Jill started all of that "team" shit and Bethenny left. Frankly, I think Bravo would do better just starting over. OR making things more "real" would work.

Show Sonja for the snobbish diva drunk she really is, whoring around but too stupid and long in the tooth to find another sugar daddy.

Force Lulu to get real, and the real Lulu is the loveable skank that fucked the Johnny Depp impersonator, not "the countess" with her pretend manners.

Let Ramona be, but give her a larger salary in exchange for DROPPING the endless selling of her products on the show. Ugh.

Holla bores me, I know many of you like her, and I do too at times, but, maybe I'm just shallow with my HW shows...I don't find her remotely attractive.

Carole is so careful, but her blogs are great...I'd love to see her with Silex, and a more laid back Lulu who wants to hang with the hipsters (as she pathetically did with her niece that time.)

Aviva fits, if they would stop covering up her pretentious, hypocritical faults--she could easily turn into the one to hate.

Basically, this show is all too careful now. Bethenny as Greek Chorus bringing things back to a level of truth was key, and Alex was making progress in picking up that slack--in her awkward way. Ramona does it, but she's constantly hawking something.

I'd say recast the whole thing, but when you look at some of the women they've tried to bring in? No.
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This came up on my FB newsfeed and was on the Andy Cohen fan Page

http://bravoratings.com/2013/05/10/why-the-rhony-pay-stand-off-is-a-25-million-dollar-gamble-for-bravo-media/

He has a point in the article; Bravo would be losing a lot to cancel the show. But I can understand why Bravo would want to "nip it in the bud". I can see other housewives pulling the same stunt. However, ATL is the top rated franchise. Maybe the NY wives had better step it up.
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Good article.

Wow at this part:
Various pay levels have been reported for the RHoNY Season 5 cast, not all of which are true however we have it on good authority that the entire wage bill for that season’s cast was less than $1.3m.

“Each one of us were offended such low amounts that we all refused to sign. We did not get together, half of us don’t speak. We are not being greedy we are asking for what we are worth,” one of the cast members tells Naughty But Nice Rob. “We don’t make money writing books and selling wine anymore, so we need to make money as talent on the show. By the time we pay for cloths, make-up, lawyers and publicists to protect ourselves from the way we are painted in editing – we lose money doing this show. Having an unhappy cast makes no sense. They are saying they will pull the show if we don’t sign tomorrow, but we don’t believe them.”

I love that the article went into just how much Bravo makes on the show.
Edited by Mariah, May 10 2013, 03:12 PM.
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Icy I also think Bethenny has lost some fans. The only thing I'm basing it on is I NEVER used to see ONE negative comment to articles about her in "People" and now it seems to be about half negative. This is an un-scientific survey. :) I like to read comments when I read articles- and they used to seem 99% positive. "Oh, I just LOVE her" "Oh, she's so funny"- but again- could just be different people commenting...


eta: I think Andy LOVES Lisa. Not as much as Bethenny- who he had to Anderson Cooper's Home- but he had a launch party at Sur or Villa Blanca, right? He doesn't love Teresa enough. I don't like her- but she's a VERY big NJ draw and fan favorite. I think he has irrational love for Tamra...
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Great article disco! I've changed my mind after reading that - I think they should go ahead and can the cast. My biggest complaint has always been that after a few seasons these shows become about women doing a reality show rather than filming the reality of the women and this part confirmed it. It addressed the quote Mariah posted above:

And a lot of what that cast member says makes sense. Remember in the first season of RHoNY, Ramona Singer ran a business buying and selling overstocked fashions to discount chains? That’s a business she no longer runs as she hasn’t the time to both run a successful business and film a successful reality show. From season two filming & onward it became impossible for the cast to actually work their regular jobs, as for the four months of filming you have to largely be at the beck & call of production.

I had no idea Ramona had stopped running her original business for example. I was glad to hear that outside of Bethenny and Teresa none of the hos are making much money from their books and wine etc. Makes me think the Vickster is/was the smart one using the show to grow her existing business rather than abandon everything for TV fame. Because like the article pointed out - one day it will all end and then what? We only have to look as far as Silex for the answer.
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I think the same as Ranjake regarding Bethie. It's not Jill fans doing it. It's everywhere - all the articles. Mostly negative where they were positive. I used to be afraid to post my dislike of her - not anymore.
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Holla! didn't give up her business, did she? Neither did the bejazzle woman, for the short time she was on.

They are grossly underpaid, but the door is open for them to quit and they don't do it. Is it just the fame, the recognition?

I wonder if Ramona give up her schmatta resale business because it was so low rent, or that there is so much competition now from flash sale sites rather than she "didn't have time." Everyone is reselling now. I don't really see anything preventing her from going back to it if she quit the show.

Carole had no job, and her book sales increased. Sonja had no job, likewise LuAnn and the tall horsey faced blonde, I can't even remember her name.

Trouble is, most of the NY HW's are replaceable.

I'm usually on the side of the employee against the corporation, but not really in this case. There is probably a Miami in the hopper, and then we'll get BH again. I don't think anyone is on pins and needles waiting to see Ramona and co.

Do we know how much Lisa makes?
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I think Lisa makes $250-$300 thou.

That article kind of confirms that it's not that easy to cast this show, NYer's with money tend to be more private.

I think they could though, especially if they went for out of work actresses still living in NY, or the up and coming "stars" that need their faces out there.
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I wonder if Ramona give up her schmatta resale business because it was so low rent, or that there is so much competition now from flash sale sites rather than she "didn't have time." Everyone is reselling now. I don't really see anything preventing her from going back to it if she quit the show.

weaver, I don't think she gave it up; the article just said she isn't running it anymore so that might mean she hired someone else to run it on a day to day basis. I agree, I'm usually on the employee's side too but like you said there isn't really anything irreplaceable about these women.

I tend to separate those whose previous livelihood got a boost from the show and those who are just sticking their names on crap after the show. Lots of the hos in both camps I guess. Holla!, Carole, Vickster, and Lisa had careers before RH. People like Adrienne, Kim Z, Melissa, Teresa, etc. all came up with 'careers' after the show. Kandi and Phae did both - they had careers before and created new business ventures after. They are looking at the long term.
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