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i'm back from smirkus camp!; and holy crap my face is everywhere
Topic Started: Aug 16 2008, 05:16 PM (851 Views)
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You have my undivided attention.
Would these Thompsons be in adequate, working order?
What are their conditions (Environment)?
Are they Military issue or the gangster type?

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Followed by a Mosin-Nagant, damn those Russians for manufacturing such great weapons.
Great weapons?
The Mosin Nagant was nothing to brag about. It was famous for jamming but revered by those who were on the business end of it for it's accuracy. Thus, it reached popularity amongst Soviet snipers.

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teh thompsons, from teh way I understand it, have been submerged for 20-30 years. If they were well kept prior to being thrown in they should be in good condition when brought up. As long as you keep them submerged in a tank (probably a couple coolers in our case) until cleaning they should stay mostly rust free. I don't see any reason why teh metal would be weakened by being underwater for so long. In theory it should still be shootable if cleaned well, of course you can still find parts online or have them made at a machine shop (there's a few near me that can probably make parts).

As for your second post. I will answer with this http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chauchat.

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My great-uncle brought back a Nazi Waffen-SS helmet and a Luger back from the war and my great-grandmother, disgusted by Nazism, threw them in the Allegheny river.
I am totally interested in the Thompson, If and when you do dig them up, let me know. If you don't get around to it this year, let me know and next summer I'll literally drive out and we'll excavate them. It's not too far of a drive. Do you happen to know an approximate number of how many are down there? Parting a few out could make you a relatively wealthy man.
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Here's a beautiful example of a Mosin Nagant for a good price.
http://gunbroker.com/Auction/ViewItem.asp?Item=107914700

Once again, this gun's performance falls short of spectacular, and the price is reflective of that.

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A rough estimate of how many are down there is 40+. I don't know if they had stick mags or drums. I don't know if the mags/drums would still be connected. Assuming they were full auto since they were law enforcement (which would most likely be stick mags). And I don't know if they're all in the exact same place. We would have to find them first. Of course, that's if they're there to begin with, right now it is just a rumor.
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A rumor's more than nothing.
Evidently, 40+ Thompsons disappeared to somewhere.
If this rumor holds to be true, the lengths to go get them would be financially worth it.
One concern of mine is that if you know about it, that means someone else does too.
Seeing as though machine guns are illegal in most states and due to the guns having previous owners, you wouldn't hear about the cache being found.
It could be there. It might not.
I think it's well worth the gamble.
Will some sort of scuba gear be needed?

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Nope, a rope with a damn good magnet is what we were planning on using. Maybe borrow a boat. We would also need to get a blue barrel and bucket or cooler so we could keep the guns underwater til cleaning so they don't rust. I just talked to my dad, told him they average 20k in working condition and he said something to the effect of "blah blah blah class 3, blah $3000". Which I had already looked up all the info on. According to this a C&R (class 3) is only $30 and it tells you a lot about it. And, reading up on Indiana firearms laws, local government is not permitted to enact their own firearms laws. Last I check "machine guns" are legal in this state as long as they are not kept w/i something like 500yds of a school and the general felony conviction bullshit.

You would, of course, have to look up the laws for your state.

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I almost forgot, you would also have to pay the $200 NFA tax.
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Tell me this, Vic, do you buy all your music off of iTunes?
Same philosophy. ;-)
Don't ask, don't tell.

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Bittorrent is a digital distribution method, guns can't move through it. :D

I don't deal under the table. Besides, I just discovered that unless we can get the NFA registration papers, which may or may not exist even though I know exactly who the previous owners are, the guns are contraband until another amnesty period is initiated. Only one has ever happened and that was in 1968 when the NFA was enacted. So this plan has gone in the shitter.

http://www.guntrustlawyer.com/2008/05/what-about-my-unregistered-nfa.html
http://www.guntrustlawyer.com/2008/07/lost-of-stolen-nfa-registratio.html
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Cool. Looks like under some firearms act, I can own one.
I guess the ban was repealed or something.
What's the story behind the Thompsons, anyway?

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PM'd it to you. Topics are way to easy to derail here.
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Been scanning the radio waves. Was just sitting out there with my wideband receiver, next minute I pick up this strong yet incredibly odd broadcast. It wasn't in 100% English, but it would suddenly lapse into English phrases or words, along with some other language. And all it talked about was suicide bombings and Islamabad. Like it'd go on for a bit in some other language then suddeny go "...suicide bomber outside government (unknown words) in vehicle 120 kilometers..." before going back to whatever language it was in. Around 6mhz if anybody wants to track it down with a shortwave receiver.
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I think you picked up an international news network.
Islamabad is the capital of Pakistan, where an election is being held.
There have been recent suicide bombings in Iraq.

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Entirely possible, but a few things puzzle me.
1) The signal strength was extremely strong. Either it's a local broadcast (well, "local" being a relative term here), it's being repeated, or it's got a very strong transmitter behind it.
2) It talked about NOTHING but suicide bombings. I was listening for a good 20 minutes, and that was all it ever seemed to discuss. Presumably it talked about different locations, but "Islamabad" came up frequently, along with "government" somethings, and driving.
3) It never mentioned Iraq, or if it did, it didn't mention it in English.
4) Although it seemed to be clinical in tone (i.e. not emotive or with an agenda, just like a news broadcast) I got the impression that it was there specifically to report on suicide bombings.

It's still broadcasting on 6005khz, I think. At least it sounds similar to the voice. Actually it just swapped to a female voice, and the signal strength has seriously degraded. It might not be the same frequency, but it was around 6000khz. Actually it's unusually busy tonight...
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http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/south_asia/7574267.stm

Just a few days ago. That's about all I can relate to it.

Do you have a transmitter too or just a receiver. I've been thinking about getting a shortwave and licensed so I can keep in contact if the country goes to shit. This is also interesting.
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I've only got a receiver; a transmitter would require a specially tuned antenna for the frequency or band that you want to operate on. I don't really have the space to put something like that up, so I don't bother. Also there aren't many shortwave ham radio operators here in Australia, and there's been no conditions to allow international hams to be heard, so transmitting here isn't of much value. Most of those comms here are done in VHF and UHF in FM.

In the event that your country went to shit, I don't think you'd be needing a license ;). If you wanted to experiment, over there in the US you guys have a block set out from the longwave frequencies for radio experimentation without a license; between 160 and 190khz. Although you're not going to get the distance of shortwave frequencies, it'd be a good project to build a transmitter without breaking any laws. Good thinking about shortwave as a communications method though; shortwave obeys no human boundaries and doesn't require the expensive infrastructure of other forms of long-distance comms, so it's a good choice for when your world suddenly isn't there anymore :P
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Ya. Cheaper and more reliable than satphones. Not that $600 is anymore w/i my range, probably have my parents look out for used ones at auctions (get em for a couple bucks). As for a license, not really all that expensive. Plus you don't have to know morse code to get one anymore which is what kept me from doing it a while back.

The FCC lets you transmit anything in any frequency, even television. As long as you keep the distance fairly short (less than a mile for the most part), your antenna falls w/i a certain length, it doesn't broadcast on a regular basis (pirate radio/tv), and you don't interfere with licensed broadcasts (AM/FM/AIR channels).
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A sat phone is actually more reliable since shortwave reception is affected by environmental conditions. Some nights you'll get lots of stations, other nights you'll get nothing. The solar cycle also has a direct impact on signal skip. You can't really predict whether or not your broadcast will be received at a specific location.

Morse code is one of your best options for distance communication in CW mode, since you're just switching on and off the output to produce Morse code. Since that's all it is, distortion and signal fading are less of a problem than when you're trying to transmit words or phrases. Failing that you can use SSB which is more efficient, but harder to tune in properly. But it's pretty hard to understand; the only way I can decode it is if I record it, play it back slower, and just keep listening and hoping I'm recognising the gaps.

You can probably pick up a good second hand shortwave transmitter relatively cheaply. Like I said most people are broadcasting in the higher frequencies these days so there isn't much demand for shortwave transmitters. Also a lot of people build radios as part of the hobby, so this is something else you might want to consider.
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