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| Michael Myers | Jan 10 2017, 11:18 PM Post #16 |
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1/11/17 12:20 am est Well, the trapped players are back. Jason told me all about his time being trapped, about the games he had to play, and about his reward... nullifying a vote. He also informed me that Miyagi got the same reward but that they can not play them on each other. Ok. Cool. Great game to have such a power... but wait... the power has been wasted. UGH. They were both worried about the stigma of having the reward. So, you only tell a very select few... or you don't tell anyone. Your choice. Miyagi is really low on the totem pole. He needs allies. And he just had a bonding experience with Jason. Well, the first thing working in their favor is that even though they are on different tribes, they can STILL COMMUNICATE. They could have coordinated a plan of who to tell and how to play this. But instead, they feared that one would tell someone and then the other would be outed. Why play it that way? Just work together!!! Second, they were worried that if one played it, then the other would be outed but NOPE. Votes aren't revealed in this game. The exit videos only show WHO was voted out, not by HOW MUCH. So, nobody would have known their votes were nullified. I just don't understand why they are telling people about this power. Everyone in the game is going to know about it by the time I'm done writing this confessional, and I don't see how Miyagi thinks that won't make him an even bigger target. Plus, now I have to worry about Jason becoming a target. At least I know I can trust Navin a little bit more. He came running right to me to tell me the news that Miyagi told him about the power. Thanks, Navin... except I already knew about it. :rolleyes: |
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| Michael Myers | Jan 10 2017, 11:24 PM Post #17 |
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Ah, never mind. Jason just clarified that the reward has to be played before the voting deadline and that the person it's played on can't even head to their voting booth. I still don't understand why they are telling people though. It still makes them targets. |
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| Michael Myers | Jan 10 2017, 11:51 PM Post #18 |
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My primary alliance at this point is definitely with Jason. Hannibal is also someone I am working very closely with at this point, but I am tighter with Jason. Of course, I'm letting Hannibal think I'm tightest with him (and he's telling me he's tightest with me). So, in theory, I have two people thinking I'm their main ally... Hannibal and Jason. This is a good thing for me. This means, if it's true, that I'm controlling my tribe. Because both of them see the other as basically the third. Freddy and Ghostface are on the bottom, and they don't try very hard to change that. Well, Freddy might be trying a bit harder than Ghostface. After all, he did make the flag, and he very hilariously tried to "free" the trapped players by figuring out a URL password, which was ridiculous but so full of enthusiasm it was almost... cute? Freddy is in his own world. And, well, Ghostface is just barely around. But looking toward the future, there are some promising prospects as far as alliances. 1. Navin. I liked him from opening night. I filled him in on what he was missing when he was busy and on his phone, and he seemed to be grateful for that. We seemed to have a connection that I've been hoping is still there, and while there has been little proof up until now, a little while ago, he came to me to warn me about trapped players' rewards. So, Miyagi trusted him, and he broke that trust to inform me, which I hope means he trusts me more and wants to work with me. 2. Miyagi. This might seem at odds with everything I just wrote about Navin. But it's coming from a different angle. If (and that's a big IF) he can survive to a further phase of the game, he now has a bond with Jason that could possibly lead to something great for us... especially if Jason and him BOTH have vote nullifyers and are voting with me. I can't argue with that. I'd gladly work with Miyagi, because most players are annoyed by his shtick, which makes him overlooked as a potential ally... and that makes him perfect for me to use as a number. Considering he might be easier to pull in now thanks to Jason, that could be a big score later. 3. Darth Vader and/or Clubber. These two are preaching villain power. They are both friendly, and I've kept a running dialogue open with both of them. Now, very little strategy talk is going on... other than hints of being anti-hero, but at least we continuously talk. An all villain alliance absolutely would be an option worth exploring later, if I need options. 4. Bastian. He's friendly. We talk a lot. And I think I could work with him. I just have no idea what the dynamics of his tribe are, so I don't know where he stands or if he actually would need to work with me. It's worth exploring though. 5. Freddy/Ghostface. Yeah, they are tough to work with. But if they stay loyal, why stray? Keep any numbers you have in your army. Don't cut them off. I just have to see if they are manageable, controllable, and/or loyal. |
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| BROBST | Jan 11 2017, 02:11 PM Post #19 |
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| Michael Myers | Jan 12 2017, 03:40 PM Post #20 |
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1/12/17 4:30 est A couple quick updates. 1. I don't want Miyagi getting voted out if his tribe loses tonight. I have a sneaking suspicion that the majority alliance on Stallion consists of Rocky, Navin, and Inigo... unless Navin is just clueless and Indiana is in there instead of him. I mean, I obviously might be wrong, but this is the way it appears from my end. Either way, Miyagi is in a bad spot. The only way I can think of to try to keep him safe is to get Navin to realize he is a valuable tool in Navin's pocket. While they were trapped, Miyagi told Jason that he trusted and felt tightest to Navin on his tribe. Jason has already been telling Navin this, but I've had a history of keeping Navin "in the loop" since the beginning of the game. He returned the favor to me the other night by "warning" me about the kryptonite rewards after Miyagi told him about them. So, it seems like a reciprocal approach we have going. I'm hoping it'll sink in more hearing it from me than it does hearing it from Jason, and he'll start to realize, "hey, maybe I don't want to vote Miyagi out just yet." I don't know how much power he'd have to control that decision, but I've planted the seed. I "confided in him" what Jason told me. 2. Apparently people are starting to see me and Hannibal as a pair. I hate being lumped into pairs with people by others, especially when the label is inaccurate. While, yes, Hannibal and I are working together at the moment (and he might even consider us a pair), my main ally is Jason, NOT Hannibal. Of course, it's great that people don't realize Jason and I are a pair, but it's problematic that they consider me to be that tight with Hannibal. People like to split up pairs. Also, people like to just assume pairs will want to vote together all the time and won't turn on each other, and it changes the way they do business with both parties. People saw me and Jenna as a pair in Amazon, and it was the biggest nuisance in the world. I just don't like it. The part that really aggravates me is one of the people speculating that we are a pair is Ghostface. Well I wonder why. Maybe it's because Jason was trapped and he and Freddy weren't super active? Maybe he just assumes we are a pair by default because he sucks and only types two sentences at a time? I will not get lumped into a category by someone simply because THAT PERSON has chosen to play a game that forces me to work with others more. Idiot! I'm gunning for Ghostface now before he can do damage with this pair talk. The funny thing is he went to Jason to ask if Hannibal and I are tight... as if Jason is on the bottom with him. If he thinks that, he clearly has no read on our tribe. 3. I'm laying some ground work with Bastian and Navin in case we swap soon and I end up with either of them. I think I could work with them both, as they are the heroes I have the most contact with. I really should up my talks with others, but it's so hard to know what to say to people that aren't on your tribe. It's like, you can't talk too much strategy, because you never know who they'll rat you out to. Rumor and already spreading and people are already betraying trust across tribal lines. Everyone knows about the kryptonite power by now. It's just, I don't want to tell people who I'm tightest with on my tribe for that reason. And I don't want to ask others, because just the fact that I'm asking will get around. It's tricky at this point. Clubber and Vader both seem to be in Villains mode, but when Hannibal told Vader about the kryptonite power and asked him not to use his name if he tells others, Vader betrayed Hannibal's trust and used his name. I mean, that sets off all kinds of warning signs right there. Apparently, he only told his tribe, but still. Just another example about how cross-tribal communication can be dangerous unless a strong base of trust is established first. Right now, I think people are talking all willy-nilly. There's too many loose lips, and they sink ships, as we all know. |
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| BROBST | Jan 12 2017, 03:56 PM Post #21 |
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Fascinating points you make about the perception of pairs whether or not they're true. Yeah, season after season, people assume things. Sometimes it's just over silly things like: "OMG - I saw them online at the same time!" |
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| Michael Myers | Jan 12 2017, 04:38 PM Post #22 |
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Yeah, or they'll look at the last click feature and see two people using messenger at the same time and just assume they are talking to each other. Now, I can't say I'm not guilty of checking things out like that, but I don't jump to conclusions based on it. I just kind of keep it in mind. It's always good to take some mental notes, large or small... to keep track of possibilities. But to base an entire conspiracy theory on little things like that, it can lead you and others to needless ruin. |
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| Michael Myers | Jan 13 2017, 01:02 AM Post #23 |
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1/13/17 2:00 am est Well, we swapped into two bigger tribes like I suspected. Tonight taught me two lessons. 1. I'm less visible than I even thought, which is good. I like stealth. I was picked on the low end of the schoolyard pick (by Miyagi, which is a great sign). And Ghostface made a comment about how he was pissed to be getting voted out even before me... like I'm non-existent in the game. Well, the dude gave me NOTHING, so I have him nothing back. And now he's gone, so adios. But yeah. I like being below the radar at this point, and it seems like I'm where I need to be. Things might have to change soon though because... 2. Hannibal is starting to piss me off. He apparently clued Ghostface into the fact that he was getting voted out. And now he is trying to control the new tribe and has straight up told Jason that we will be voting out Miyagi and Indiana. It wasn't a discussion; it was more of a declaration. And I don't want to go that route. I want to vote out the old Skywalkers, and I think Jason does too. If disagreeing with Hannibal is going to cause problems, the better move might just be to blindside him. It'll also show people we are not a pair. Miyagi and Indiana will have no choice but to vote with us if we tell them they are the targets. Miyagi (or Jason) can play a kryptonite on whoever, removing a vote from them. Then we'll outnumber them four to three, and whoever we want will be gone. Part of me just thinks we should go for the jugular and take out Hannibal so that we won't have to deal with him afterward. Otherwise, Luke would probably be a good target. I KNOW Jason doesn't want to vote out Miyagi. And I think we both fear Hannibal has too many ties to others in the game. Skywalker picking him first didn't help matters. So I'm going to try to get Jason on board with this. Indiana and Miyagi can be huge for us. I don't want to throw them away for Skywalkers that really don't even give me the time of day. |
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| Michael Myers | Jan 13 2017, 01:20 AM Post #24 |
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Jason agrees with me for the most part, though he definitely wants to vote out Luke Skywalker before Hannibal, and that's fine. I think he's also hoping we can change Hannibal's mind. I just don't think it's going to happen. So here's the message I just sent Jason.
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| Michael Myers | Jan 13 2017, 11:24 PM Post #25 |
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1/14/17 12:15 am est Note: I'm tired, so I'm really not paying attention to spelling typos here. This will likely be sloppy. No proofreading at all. Well, well, well. I've been a busy bee. I arrived home today to find a book from Hannibal waiting in my inbox. Inside of said book I found the reason why Hannibal was so quick to want to vote with the old Skywalkers. It's quite simple really: they offered him an alliance. And that alliance would include himself, Bastian, Luke, and... Jason. For those of you keeping score at home, that doesn't include me. Now, Hannibal swore up and down that it would still be good for me, because he'd keep me safe, but... no. Homey don't play that. So, I sent a long message to Jason about all of it. And we agreed to move forward with our plan to make a foursome with Miyagi and Indiana. I then messaged Miyagi and Indiana and told both of them that Hannibal planned to work with the Skywalkers to vote them out and that he thought Jason and I would be voting with them, but that really we would not. I told them both that all we had to do was vote four strong and play a reward and that we could take control of the tribe. Indiana jumped on the idea and is now like my second favorite person in the game. Miyagi got super paranoid, but realized he pretty much had no choice but to go along, so now the four of us seem to be on the same page, and none of us will be going home while on this tribe, barring some evil twist by THE HOST. The idea here is that Hannibal will continue to think that Jason and I are voting with him, and the Skywalkers will think we are voting out a Stallion. Bastian seems to be targeting Miyagi. Then, before the vote, one of them will be told their vote is being taken away, and then the exit video will reveal a blindside. The question was who to vote for, and I was almost even leaning Hannibal, so we wouldn't have to deal with his wrath, but... At the same time, I was talking to Hannibal and expressing my concerns about working with the Skywalkers if they didn't want to work with me. By the end of that discussion, he was bringing up the possibility of making a "big move" and taking out either Bastian or Luke. So, I went ahead and pushed him as far in that direction as I could without making it seem like that's what I secretly wanted all along. The funny thing is I already knew Jason wanted that, as Jason and I had been communicating the entire time, but Hannibal was concerned that Jason wouldn't go for it, and he wanted to bring it up to him first. So, now, he's brought the idea up to Jason and announced to me that Jason seems excited about the idea. He wants me to also talk to Jason, but to make it seem like Hannibal had talked to Jason first. Sure, whatever he wants. So now, the official plan is to vote out Luke or Bastian WITH Hannibal... and with Miyagi and Indiana of course. But Miyagi is still paranoid and wants to "burn" his reward, to which I say whatever. If it keeps him feeling safe and prevents him from doing something stupid, throw right on into the fire. It'll make things more dramatic, anyway. :lol: One of the major reasons Hannibal is suddenly ok with making the "big move" is because we were talking about the merge and different groups that we could end up reaching a majority with... and he seems to want to work with Clubber and Vader. I figure they'll vote with Jaws, and if we play of the villains alliance, hopefully, they'll keep Freddy safe... but who knows. And honestly, I don't care. His reasoning is his reasoning. I want to get to that merge with me, Jason, Miyagi, Indiana, and at least one reward, and if Hannibal will vote with us as well, that's a plus. I'm also looking at working with Navin and/or Freddy if they survive. I have no room in my numbers for Skywalkers, and apparently, Hannibal no longer does either, so that's a score. I just love that fact that he doesn't realize he had no choice in the matter. One way or another, a Skywalker was going home first, whether he voted that way or not. Now, I just don't have to reveal that to him. :ph43r: |
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| BROBST | Jan 14 2017, 01:04 AM Post #26 |
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| Michael Myers | Jan 14 2017, 10:31 PM Post #27 |
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1/14/17 11:20 pm est Well, there you have it. It's all starting to make sense. Yesterday, Hannibal informed me that there was a final four deal offered up by Bastian and Luke that included him and Jason. Today, Jason informed me that Clubber suggested that the final 8 be as follows... Luke, Bastian, Clubber, Darth, Inigo, Rocky, Hannibal, and Jason. Two members from each tribe. A fairly split final 8. Clearly there has been some cross-tribal plotting which I'm sure will make for a great read in your host confessional when the game wraps up, Brobst. :lol: I mean, the twist is working it's magic and all, but I'm on the wrong side of those numbers... more things Homey don't play. That also probably explains the placement of the schoolyard picks. I think this has been in the works for a while. Jason says he isn't sure why he has been included in the group. I'm not sure if Hannibal is either. Hannibal, I do believe, is tighter with me than Jason, though I don't consider myself tight with him anymore at all. I'm ready to vote him right the hell up out of this game. So, Hannibal is conflicted. He hasn't told me about this alliance of 8. He has said "betrayal" makes him nervous, but he kind of stumbled there, because he seemed to imply he'd be betraying Clubber and Darth Vader if we voted out Bastian or Luke. Knowing about the deal, I said something along the lines of "but you won't be betraying them because you have no formal alliance with all of them as a group." And then he backtracked like the mofo that he is. :lol: So, he's back and forth. Does he want to make a big move and vote out Luke/Bastian (now I know why he considers it to be such a big move), or does he want to play it safe and vote out Miyagi/Indiana (when he knows it's not what Jason and I want). I think he'll vote with us, because he has to survive this tribe first and foremost. But... I think Hannibal has his hand in as many cookie jars as he can. The thing is he's leaving crumbs all over the place. So is Clubber. There's a big boys club that thinks it's running this game. But the more stealthy players are getting ready to make some moves. Jason and I are now informing Miyagi and Indiana about the alliance of 8. The good news, is the alliance really only has 7, because Jason isn't really in it. The better news is, at least my tribe, will be voting OUT members of the 7... and when we arrive at the merge, we'll have a reward that removes a vote. My bigger concern is the other tribe. I don't want to lose Navin or Freddy... or even Jack Sparrow. But warning them about all of this could be dangerous, because if they spill the beans, our cover is completely blown. Another grey area is how to handle Superman. He's not part of the 7, but he doesn't realize where he stands with anybody in this game. We have to figure out how to move forward with him. Also, Hannibal's life in this game is hanging on the balance of the decision he makes right now. If he decides he wants to make the "big move," he stays alive. But if he decides he wants to vote out Indiana or Miyagi, I am going to go after HIM first. I am not an overtly outgoing player in these games. I hang back and let things start to unravel. To me, you make KEY allies. You get KEY information, and then you use that information to manipulate the game in your favor. And that's what it's time to start doing. Espionage has been in full affect. Sabotage has begun. Assassinations are in the works. I might not be the best player, but I am a DANGEROUS one. :ph43r: |
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| BROBST | Jan 14 2017, 10:42 PM Post #28 |
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THIS ENTRY IS COMPLETELY AWESOME AND HIGHLY INFORMATIVE. |
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| Michael Myers | Jan 15 2017, 11:48 PM Post #29 |
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1/16/17 12: 20 am est Well, we won the first challenge post-swap, so nothing big happened tonight. But here's what would have happened if we had lost... Bastian would have been voted out. And I think everyone on the tribe would have voted for him except for himself and Luke. Luke and Bastian both thought that Indiana Jones was getting the boot. They thought there would be an easy vote with all the Skywalkers and all the Chiantis voting together. However, Hannibal finally made his decision to vote for Bastian, and so the rest of us were all obviously going to go along with it. The idea was that if Clubber/Vader got angry or confused, we'd just tell them we did it to secure an all villains alliance at the merge... an idea I'm still alluding to in messages to Clubber. The funny thing is Hannibal told me to hold off telling Indiana or Miyagi about it until after we lose a challenge, but he sent them both messages. Miyagi didn't get much, just a note saying to "stay tuned" with a smiley face. Indiana actually got a message saying he was Luke's and Bastian's target, but that the rest of us weren't voting that way. He told him he'd fill him in more later, but to trust him for now. Of course, both of them reported back to me that he had made his move, so the fact that he told me we should wait is hysterical. He just keeps getting caught because I have eyes and ears all over this tribe. :lol: Obviously, he wanted to sweep in and be the hero, to get them on his side first, but the good news is, they are already on MY side and have been for days. Indiana and I were even talking about how he can pretend to be so grateful and act like he's in Hannibal's pocket, just so we can get even more information out of him, to completely control the dude. The whole situation made me laugh. Anyway, since we didn't vote the plan is on pause. Nothing has changed, it just has to wait for another day. Luke and Bastian still think the Chiantis are with them. Hannibal still thinks I consider him my number one and that he is calling the shots. Jason, Miyagi, Indiana, and I still have two rewards on our side and can still dictate the next vote no matter what. It's all the same thing going into next round... except for the following differences. 1. Superman is becoming more active and is trying to find a more important role in this tribe. Ultimately, I don't know how important that role will ever actually be, but his maneuvering continues to complicate things, as does the maneuvering of other players trying to either capitalize on him, or to keep control of him (my plan). I think both Miyagi and Jason are trying to get him on their sides (capitalize on him). And with Miyagi, I'm pretty sure it's working, as he sees Miyagi as someone that is mutually on the bottom. The problem is Miyagi is a wildcard in my mind who is also hard to control. He kind of just does whatever... never anything major. He's never blown any cover or made any big moves on his own (yet)... but he does little subtle things that scare me. And he's been working Superman for a couple days. That is the biggest concern I have with him, because it's a separate plan than the one I've been cultivating... and it could blow my plan up if Superman ever receives the wrong information and rats us out. Jason, knowing this, also started working Superman, and even told him the vote might be for Bastian, which I definitely didn't like!!! Luckily, Superman was down for that vote, which is the reason only Luke and Bastian would have been left out. Superman was going to be told to vote that way before the deadline, and he would have. I also came to find out that right before the challenge Superman wanted him and Jason to try to throw Bastian's name into the mix to see if the Chiantis would bite and vote that way (obviously, we already planned on it). But the little partnership going on between Jason and Superman was also not something I was thrilled with, because Superman actually told Jason that he wanted to vote Bastian out first... THEN ME. And Jason told me this, of course. I didn't want this situation to spiral out of control, so tonight, after the challenge, I started reeling in Superman, myself. I simply asked him what he thinks of Miyagi. I told him I like Miyagi and I like him. A lot of times, that's a good tactic when you are playing with people that don't communicate at a higher level. A quick set of questions to create common ground. I knew he liked Miyagi. And everyone likes hearing that someone likes them. So, boom. Magic words. Immediately, he messaged Miyagi asking him how he feels about me. He then asked me what my relationship is like with the other Chiantis, to which I lied that they would both want to keep me safe here, but that I feel they are closer to each other than they are to me. I said I assumed he was in a similar situation with Luke and Bastian (because I KNEW it was true). Again, creating common ground. Instantly, he messaged Miyagi again, this time saying maybe they should keep me around to make a move down the road, to which I assume he means against Hannibal... maybe even Hannibal and Jason (I told him Hannibal has more connections in the game than Jason and that sometimes it concerns me). Now, I won't be voting Chiantis out with Superman. No damn way. But if he still wants to vote Bastian out, we can actually discuss it next round instead of playing games. The thing is, now there is a bit of a disconnect between reality and multiple perceived realities that Superman is likely to encounter. For instance, Jason has him believing that he's the one on the outs and that me and Hannibal are closer. I have him believing the opposite. He has to know they aren't both true, so which one does he really believe? I don't know. But tonight, he seemed to believe me. He DEFINITELY thinks that Jason and I aren't as close with each other as we really are, but if he tries to work with Miyagi and he realizes both of us are working with Miyagi, he's going to start to wonder. So, we either have to fix that disconnect, or we have to somehow make him think he is playing both sides. Either way, he is preoccupied now, and it ultimately won't matter for the sake of our time on this tribe, because we have enough votes to control the first vote no matter which way he goes or what he does. And this buys me time to figure out if I have a use for him at the merge. 2. I think I might be getting closer to Miyagi than Jason is. I'm not 100% sure, but I'm starting to get that vibe. I don't think Miyagi fully trusts Indiana either, and I think Indiana trusts me the most out of everyone here. I'm pretty sure Hannibal trusts me the most out of everyone here. And I know Jason does. So all of the sudden, almost everything is passing through me. I'm starting to be able to control the flow of information on this tribe, and that is a great thing for me, but with the complex dynamics going on right now, I'm going to have to be very careful how I handle things. First and foremost, I'm telling Jason almost everything, just with some stuff left out. I don't want him comparing notes and finding out I'm trying to out-position him. Of all the people here, he's in the second best position as far as I can tell. And if I'm off a little, he might be getting equal information. So I still have to play things carefully. I'm feeling like I have a lot of power right now. But I don't want to get comfortable because that's the kiss of death. 3. I warned Freddy, earlier today, about the bigger alliance. He didn't seem phased, or he didn't get what I was saying, or he just seemed like he had resigned his fate to whatever the majority on his tribe decides to do. That was kind of disappointing. But at least I don't think he'll rat me out. No point warning Navin now. He won't be able to secure the numbers to do anything about it. |
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| Michael Myers | Jan 16 2017, 06:55 PM Post #30 |
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1/16/17 7:50 est Jason seems like he's starting to trust Miyagi less, which might be part of what I was saying about thinking I'm actually closer to Miyagi than Jason is now. At the same time, we agree that Miyagi is a smart player, and is making his own moves to position himself... especially with Superman. Together, they represent a great wildcard in this game, and that is dangerous. We both think they will vote Bastian out, but Superman already told Jason he would want to vote me out after that. And as of last night, it sounded like Superman wanted to "keep me around" to make a big move with him and Miyagi. At the end of the day, Miyagi knows Jason and I are both not always on the same page as Hannibal. I'm willing to bet they'll try to target Hannibal after the Bastian vote. But I don't think I can spare losing Hannibal now. He seems to have chosen to stick with me at this point. He's planning to vote out members of the big alliance. And he wants to talk long-term strategy with me, for after the merge. I have NO idea what Miyagi's long-term strategy would be, but I do know, as Jason said, that we are currently planning to vote out big players for him, keeping him safe. At some point, if we keep taking out the big players, we will become the big players and Miyagi could be forming an army to take us out as well. This is Jason's theory, and it does have a lot of merit. I almost wonder if the best move is to vote Superman out after Bastian, thus taking away Miyagi's option while also taking away someone Luke could run to after his boy Bastian gets the boot. Or maybe we should just vote out Miyagi. He's pretty hard to control. Just some thoughts. |
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