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Topic Started: Jan 5 2017, 11:25 PM (556 Views)
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Because Hannibal is talking long-term strategy now, and he wants to figure out who we want to take with us into the merge, I'm making sure to put some shade on Miyagi and Superman. I'm starting to think I wouldn't mind voting one of them out after Bastian. Though there are still some strong arguments as to why we should vote Luke out. I'm just conflicted. But if Hannibal really does want to work with me long-term, I don't really need Miyagi. And Superman is just a pain that I don't want to have to deal with. If he comes with Miyagi, that might be the deal breaker.

Something that caught me off guard was Hannibal opined that Jason was one of the three big players in the game, along with Clubber and Bastian. That's an interesting take. Jason and I have been saying Hannibal was one of the big players. I guess it's possible that Jason is a bigger threat. Maybe I've read things wrong all along. But I still think Jason is firmly on my side.

Of course Hannibal also downplayed Luke and Rocky as big players, and I don't buy into that for one second.

I made sure to send Jason a message letting him know Hannibal started talking long-term plans with me. Like I said a few entries ago, I need to always send Jason some semblance of what my messages with others contain... because I need him to always think he's my main ally, and if he cross-references something and I get caught lying or omitting something crucial, I'm in trouble. So, he knows I'm kind of throwing Miyagi and Superman under the bus to Hannibal. He just doesn't know how specific I'm being. He also knows that Hannibal called him out on being such a huge player. I wonder how he'll like that.

Because Miyagi is at least making it SEEM like he trusts me and wants to work with me voting him out might be stupid. I think I'd rather take away his other option in Superman, so I think my ideal voting order at this point would be Bastian followed by Superman. The question is, can I make it happen.
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1/17/17

7:55 est

The dynamics on this tribe are so complex that they are hard to write about, and I am not doing them any real justice in here. You'd really have to read the PM's that are going around to see how people are double dealing, including me.

But basically, I'm trying to make Indiana think I trust him more than everyone other than maybe Jason. I am trying to make Jason think I trust him the most and Hannibal think I trust him the most. They are both trying to make me think they trust me the most, but I think they are also both trying to make the other think they trust the other the most. Miyagi clearly has something going on with Superman, and I think he's trying to make me feel like I'm included, whether I am or not. Superman is playing the middle between me and Jason because either he doesn't think we are tight, or because he does, but he doesn't want us to know. You have to be really careful what you say to people, because you really don't know who it's going to get back to. But I still think I have a lot of control, and I'm either going to find myself getting blindsided, or I'm going to own this tribe.

Hannibal is talking long-term strategy with both me and Jason. But he still hasn't admitted to me that Clubber has an 8 person alliance set up that doesn't include me. The fact that Jason has admitted it to me makes me still feel like I can "trust" him more, but I don't really trust anyone in these games. I play based on the perception of mutual benefit, not based on the perception of trustworthiness... though I do strive to make other people think they can trust me, because that does help my cause. I just don't base my moves on whether or not I trust them, but on do I think they think something is in their best interest or not.

So, even though Hannibal is keeping me in the dark about some things, as long as I'm still getting that information from another source, I'm ok with it. Hannibal feels it's not in his best interest to tell me that information, but he clearly thinks it's in his best interest to work with me into the future, because he told Jason he didn't like Clubbers plan because it didn't include me, and then Jason reported that back to me. Of course, that could be a setup as well. Who knows, they might ACTUALLY be tighter with each other than they are with me, and maybe I SHOULD make a move to take one of them out while we are still on these tribes. :lol: But for now, that's not the plan. Sometimes, Survivor can be a guessing game, and right now, based on the information I have, I'm guessing that my best move is to go forward with the old Chiantis.

However, I am definitely trying to keep Indiana on my side. Jason and I both think Miyagi and Superman might try to target a Chianti after Bastian is gone. I know Superman is fine with Bastian leaving, because he rightfully realizes it would force Luke to jump back into bed with him. At that point, with the help of Miyagi, they have three votes to make a move, and would only need one more. So, we can't let Indiana go with them. I'm telling Hannibal to "fill Indiana in" on the Bastian vote, to build trust. Of course Indiana already knows about it because he's in on it with me, but I want him to start "working with" Hannibal as well. I told Indiana that I have Hannibal coming to "fill him in" as well, so that way, Indiana thinks that the two of us are working to control Hannibal. That would make it in Indiana's best interest to continue working with me, Jason, and Hannibal, thinking Hannibal is the one on the bottom... hopefully, and it should be enough to keep a steady majority on the tribe.

You can see the layers there. The real relationship between Indiana and Hannibal vs. the perceived relationships between them... both from Indiana's and Hannibal's positions... are so different. Hannibal thinks we are using Indiana. Indiana thinks we are using Hannibal. In reality, I'm using both of them, and instead of pitting them against each other, like I often do, I'm bringing them together, but under the guise that it is a ruse perpetrated by me and one against the other.

And the relationships between all three Chiantis are very similar. It's, pardon my French, one big mind fuck.
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Tribal council time. Everyone is being really quiet with me. Miyagi isn't even answering me. I hope this doesn't mean I'm getting blindsided. It has that sort of a feeling to it.

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WHEW!!!
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1/18/17

1:00 am est

I have to wake up for work in a little over three hours. The things I do for these games. :lol:

Anyway, that went well, even though it scared the crap out of me. I guess there were several reasons people were so quiet with me. They had more important things to do. For instance...

Hannibal had to message both Indiana and Miyagi and play the "hero" that rode in to save them and get them to vote for Bastian. I forgot about that part. That was so two days ago. :lol: But just as planned, he did it. He also warned Luke during the voting period, because well, that's what he does. And he thinks he needs Luke on his side moving forward.

Miyagi, on the other hand was busy reading and answering Hannibal's messages, as well as talking to Luke about why he basically wasted his reward on him. He was also getting messages from Superman who was trying to get him to change the vote at the last minute to Hannibal. Because he's not sure Jason and I will vote that way next round, which is true. He wins the prize there.

And Superman was busy with THAT plan, plus he was warning Luke that he was "changing" his vote to Bastian because he was "told" to do so "last minute." Of course, that's hilarious, because he thinks the Bastian plan was HIS, but he's blaming it on everyone else, which is still accurate, because it was also Hannibal's plan, and it was also mine and Jason's plan. Many people in this game independently decided to vote this way tonight. But Superman doesn't know that, and he's wiping his hands of all responsibility when he talks to Luke.

Which brings me to my next point. The great Hannibal/Superman war is about to begin. Superman already attempted a preemptive strike tonight, but it failed. He thinks it's a secret, but it's not because Miyagi spilled the beans to me. I have not told Hannibal yet. I'll keep this one to myself for now and see how the information will help me down the road, if it does. Both Hannibal AND Superman were busy laying down the groundwork for the war tonight by courting Luke, who they both want on their sides. The arms race has begun. Who will get to Luke first? Who do I want to get to Luke first?

Actually, I want to get to Luke first. I'm going to have a major discussion with him tomorrow, and I have more information to give him then either Hannibal or Superman, because I know things about BOTH sides and why BOTH sides wanted to vote out Bastian. Luke is going to be a hot commodity, but I want to try to get into the swing position WITH him, and thus, dictate which way he leans. And right now, I'm thinking I want Superman out of here next.

I have to see what Miyagi wants. And of course Indiana and Jason. But I figure Hannibal will target Superman, because he wants to work with Luke, and he now thinks Miyagi and Indiana are tentatively in our pockets. And Superman wants to target Hannibal because he rightfully wants to split up the Chiantis. So there's no mistaking it. This round is very much going to be Hannibal vs. Superman... with a slight chance of Luke Skywalker getting voted out instead. But in many ways, it will be up to me and Jason... and Indiana Jones to a degree.

There are two potential foursomes I can rely on now.

1. Me, Jason, Indiana, Hannibal

2. Me, Jason, Indiana, Miyagi

Luke is really irrelevant to surviving on this tribe, as long as I can fall back into one of those two foursomes. But if Luke will help me get Superman voted out, Luke will be my best friend... for that round.
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1/18/17

9:10 pm est

Well, Hannibal does it again.

He just admitted to me that he clued Clubber into the Bastian vote DAYS in advance. Of course, he didn't feel the need to tell me (or Jason, who he still hasn't told), until now... the day AFTER the vote. WTF!!!

What's more, he's blaming the move needing to outdo Jason. He said he was worried Jason would tell Clubber first, so he had to make the move. He said it was "impulsive" and apologized for not discussing it with me first. But it WASN'T impulsive. It was a carefully plotted move. And the only reason he is telling me now is because Clubber is apparently telling people that Hannibal was the mastermind. And I'm sure Hannibal is afraid I'll hear about him blabbing from someone else. So he had to admit to it beforehand.

I'm pissed. And this changes my thought process on the game moving forward. This might be too many strikes against Hannibal. He just keeps getting caught trying to outmaneuver me. And I can only overlook that for so long. There WILL be people targeting him this round, and I might be more inclined to go along with them now.

Of course, I told Jason about this.

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Hannibal says this to me...

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Clubber put a lot of effort to get close to me all through this game, just like he's done with Darth, Bastian, Jason, and Rocky. I needed to see what he'd do if forced to choose. I have a much better idea of where his head is at, now.


How is that supposed to make me feel???

Hannibal is crazy to think I'm ok with this. I'm going after him hard now. I've already suggested to Jason that we vote him out.
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I'm talking to Luke Skywalker now, trying to see if I can get him at least sort of on my side. I'm going to be at least a little honest with him about knowing there are cross-tribe connections I'm not a part of. If he reports me back to others, I'm not too concerned anyway, because there is a new plan in effect on this tribe.

Jason has agreed to vote Hannibal out next. I already know Superman wants to do it. And Miyagi, though he hasn't come right out and said it, seems to secretly want that as well, as he is pretty paranoid over both Hannibal's individual actions and a possible relationship between Hannibal and the other Chiantis.

So, with those three being in, that's majority. We wouldn't even need anyone else. But I'm sure Indiana would also vote with us. So that would be a slam dunk.

Sorry, Hannibal. You overstepped your bounds on this one.

Also, I'm aware that Jason is probably downplaying his own connections to Clubber and Rocky. Continuing to just work with him as if he will never vote me out would be naive. So I do have to keep my eye on Jason. However, he has to see me as an ace up his sleeve going into that merge. Because if he really is tight with them. There's no way power players won't turn on each other at some point, and he has to think I'll vote with him.

I see myself as controlling this tribe. But I see Jason as controlling the game more than me. I'm still way more under the radar than I expected to be at this point, but I'm liking that. When the merge does come, I'm going to have to pull some serious strings though.
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1/19/17

1:05 am est

Well, it's settled. As of this moment,

Hannibal is marked for assassination.

Miyagi is in. Indiana is in and is pre-voting. I'm in. Jason is basically in, as long as he doesn't get cold feet. And we have the option of either including Superman or not.

Miyagi is suggesting we just let Superman think the vote is for Indiana, so that he doesn't try to clue Luke into the plan... which is funny, because Luke is voting FOR Superman this round with Hannibal, but Superman is clueless, and somehow thinks he can get Luke to work with him. I'm game for that, but how will Superman react when he gets left out of the vote? On the one hand, he'll be ecstatic that Hannibal is gone, because that's what he really wants. On the other hand, I'm sure he'll feel lied to and betrayed that he was left out of his own move. LOL.

So that's the question now. How do we handle Superman. Seems like a common theme these days.
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Hannibal is marked for assassination.


With this being a movie-themed game..... every time you use the word *assassination* --
-- I can't help but read each post picturing your "Trip" from Movie Mayhem...... B)

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Yes! I LOVE me some Trip. Such a fun character to play in that game. :ph43r:
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By the way, I'm making sure that I'm really starting to have good conversations with Clubber again now, and tonight, we really did start having good talks. He sees the Chiantis over here as a trio, but obviously, that won't last, so I need him to be ready to still work with ME once Hannibal is gone. Once we pull the trigger, I'll have some explaining to do, but that could work in my favor, because it would open the door to major strategy talks between us, during which, I plan on telling him Hannibal filled me in on the bigger alliance (even though it was Jason) but kept playing all sides. Once the alliance is out in the open, and having already lost two members, I'm hoping Clubber starts to realize it's time to take another approach. But either way, it will end up being an informational conversation.

Indiana wants to throw the next challenge. I honestly wouldn't mind losing. I don't want Navin to get voted out. I do want Hannibal to get voted out. It's almost a no-brainer that losing might be the better option.
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1/20/17

12:50 am est

I can't believe I solved that freakin' puzzle. I mean I had like 30 seconds left and it just hit me. :lol: I'm so curious to know how much me solving it actually mattered. But I know that will just have to wait to be answered until after the game.

There is a lot of speculation that Cobra Kai threw that challenge. To do what? Get Navin out? It's NAVIN!!! That tells me that, if it's true, they are countering the Bastian move we made last round by forcing the exit of a little guy... someone the outsiders could latch onto. And I don't like that. Of course, I don't know for a fact that they threw it, but I do know for a fact that only three people on my tribe got the answer right. Indiana tried to throw it himself, and Jason and Hannibal both didn't figure it out. Miyagi SAYS he didn't try to throw it, but I don't even necessarily believe him, because he wanted to. Which means, the only two people I know for SURE solved it on my tribe were me and Luke. So, was Cobra Kai really just that bad?

I need to start getting ready for a merge. I don't know when it's going to hit. But it could very easily come at 12. We need to be ready for it, and I think that means we HAVE to lose the next challenge. Indiana, Miyagi, Superman, and Jason all think the same thing, so it looks like we'll be attempting to throw the next one. As of now, the target would still be Hannibal, though there are two and a half days worth of maneuvering, and part of me is thinking about trying to get it changed to Luke, and trying to get Hannibal in on it.

One way or another, it has to be one of the two of them. Superman is now talking to me about the people that were supposed to vote for Hannibal tonight working as a core going into the merge. FINALLY, he is starting to think about playing in an alliance sort of situation instead of just lone wolfing it each round. If he continues to move in that direction, we might end up with the numbers we need at the merge, with or without Hannibal.

I do believe Hannibal plans to try to keep me safe at the merge... at least at the beginning. He'll target Jaws and he'll target Superman and then, if he has to, he'll target Miyagi or Indiana. But he won't target me. Until he has to make a choice. He's going to go into the merge playing two sides... the original Chianti/NewSkywalker side vs. the Cobra Kai Clubber 8 side. And he'll try to keep both factions in the game, acting like they are working together, until the time comes to pit them against each other. And I don't want to be a casualty of that.

And of course, just because that's probably what HE wants to do, it doesn't mean it'll work. Having the three of us in the merge together will make us targets, and he will not be the one to get voted out, because he has friends in high places. No, it'll be me or Jason. Most likely me. And it'll happen for the purpose of SEPARATING us, so they can have him to themselves, much like Hannibal wanted to do with Bastian... cutting him to get in tighter with Luke.

At some point, those big names are going to flip on each other, but I don't want to sit around hoping I'm one of the votes they use to help them. Because there will be other people that get picked off before that happens, and again, one of them could easily be me if Hannibal is still in the game.

Of course, if we vote Luke out, we have the upper hand. Hannibal could just stick with us, we'd still have the support of Miyagi and Indiana, and we'd have the reward. Hopefully, we'd still have Freddy, and with Luke out, the other side would be down one more number. If Hannibal's REAL plan was to just stick with us, this is the obvious road. But he doesn't want to do that. He wants to work with Luke, even though he has admitted that Luke is tight with Clubber and Rocky and Darth Vader, and he has even said that Luke prioritizes his time messaging them over me. WTF!!! He won't make a move against THAT person? Yeah, that's a red flag, and that shows that he's not with me.

So, I'd rather vote out Luke and proceed with Hannibal. But Hannibal has sealed his fate, so long as we can successfully fail to win the next challenge.

And then, I'm going to have to go into the merge with the core of me, Jason, Miyagi, Superman, Indiana, and hopefully one more person, maybe a Freddy, or (pushing it) an Inigo. The good news is, we'll have the reward on our side.
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And when I say Hannibal has sealed his fate, that assumes that he won't change his mind and vote out Luke. If he does, his fate can still be reversed. But at the same time, that means I need to see a safe way to approach him about the subject, and it might not even be worth my time.

The next two to three days will tell.
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