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Hello to both of you, and congrats on making it to the final two. Obviously, that's a big accomplishment, especially in a game that started with twenty people.

I don't have any questions for either of you tonight. Instead, I just have some statements that reflect my perceptions of the two of you based on what I've observed, both from in the game and from on the jury. Feel free to just ignore them if you want. Or feel free to try to change my perspective in any way that makes you feel you'll more likely get my vote. Or maybe respond to my questions in ways that you think will convince the OTHER jurors to vote for you. It's your choice how you want to react to my words.

I'll start with Indiana. I think you'll have your fair share of jury support, so I wouldn't worry TOO much about my opinion here. But I do feel like you road coattails for a LARGE chunk of this game. I know you want us to believe that your strategy was to fly below the radar, trusting in your allies, until the right time to make a move presented itself. The thing is, I don't really buy that. I know that you were busy in real life, and I fully agree that real life comes first. BUT, there is a point where I think it does get in the way of the game in a way that is too much to overcome. I'm wondering if your circumstances reached that point of no return.

There were many players in this game that you rarely, if ever, talked to. You knew you could trust your allies for good reason... they knew you didn't have time to make any big waves and that you'd have to sign in, get your news from them, and then go along with the plan. It turned into a pattern for round after round. You were very rarely a part of the decision making process. Every other member of Skywalker, and then eventually Inigo Montoya, would all make decisions, only for you to log in and agree. That's not flying below the radar. That's borderline not playing. You could have literally only logged in minutes before every challenge, and you would have been ok for more than half the game, because you just weren't a threat, you were always a number, and it's precisely because you weren't around.

I find it hard to give someone points for leveraging their inactivity to keep them in a secure position. And while you might not have been doing that on purpose (like I said, I know real life comes first), you WERE doing that. It DID happen, and it's a large part of why you are sitting here tonight.

As for your eventual move... I handed that to you on a silver platter. I gave you that long, juicy message full of information I was going to use to target Jason at F9, only to blindside all of Skywalker and take out Miyagi instead, fully knowing you'd be able to use that against me to try to get Jason to flip. That was a gift, and without that, things would have been very different. That was a horrible move on my part, that move against Miyagi at F9. It was a chaos move. And yet you STILL couldn't get me out the next round, as hard as you tried. Inigo still went before me, because Jason had his OWN plans.

Then Darth and Rocky briefly took control. If you EVER had control of this game, it wasn't until the VERY last couple rounds... and this was a twenty person game. I'm just not sure that's enough to get my vote.

Now onto Freddy...

Man, o man. You are peddling a ton of BS. I'm only going to list some of the inaccuracies you've been pushing that involve me, though it seems there are a lot more.

1. You did NOT convince me to stop targeting Jason. I stopped targeting Jason because I had no choice. Inigo and Indiana were targeting me HARD. And without Jason's vote, I was doomed. I NEEDED Jason after the Miyagi blindside, which was never your idea anyway, so I created my own circumstances where I ultimately had to start trying to work with Jason again. Nothing you said or didn't say could have changed that in any way.

2. You claimed that you had something to do with Skywalker throwing the last challenge. But you really didn't. Everyone on Skywalker had their own reasons to throw that challenge. From saving Inigo, to voting out Hannibal, to voting out Luke (one of Hannibal's reasons). Even if you tried to get us to want to throw that challenge, it would have been irrelevant, because we were already throwing it, and some of us had already been talking about it for rounds at that point. In fact, I think that was a running theme with you this game... thinking you came up with ideas or caused things to happen when those ideas were already out there or those things were already going to happen anyway. People just let you think it was you because it was easier. A lot of people just wrote you off as that crazy guy that bullies everyone and tries to stir up chaos all the time.

3. I saved you a couple times, the most important being the round Miyagi got voted out. Originally, you were the target... both Jason's AND Skywalker's (other than Superman, who wanted Darth). I wanted you in the game for my own selfish reasons, so I did everything I could to get the target off of your back on onto Darth's. I did it because you were a vote in my corner... a vote I thought I could count on when I needed to make a BIG move... like a move against Jason or a move against Miyagi. You had very little influence with any of the Skywalkers OR Jason. In fact, none of them trusted you or wanted you in the game. The only people that ever really saw value in working with you (from what I could tell) seemed to be Darth/Rocky and myself.

That said, you had a HUGE impact on this game, and I think it is vastly overlooked. And it had less to do with moves you made than it had to do with just your very presence. The way you played. The chaotic element that you just brought to everything. What people don't know is how much that changed the entire course of the game.

As most players know by now, going into F9, the Skywalkers were in complete control of the game. Me, Miyagi, Indiana, Superman, and Jason, by ourselves had majority. But we also had Inigo. I started to fear Jason would flip over to Darth and Rocky based on some conversations. At that point, I decided I wanted to make a move against Jason. This went into effect even before Luke was gone. Even if Jason was innocent, I still wanted him gone, because it would have made more room for me within the Skywalker group, and it would have eliminated the threat of us being a pair, making me less dangerous. I worked hard for a round and a half to set up for a Jason blindside, and everything was almost set...

...until Miyagi told me about an alliance Indiana had suggested with the two of them, Superman, and Inigo. He said they needed a fifth, which, I made sure ended up being me. Thus was born a five person alliance that Superman apparently didn't even know about or want to be in. And even though Miyagi told me in confidence, and promised I wasn't really the fifth... I knew that at five, he'd have the ability to either go with me OR with Inigo and Indiana, taking the power out of my hands.

And here is where you deeply impacted this game, Freddy. In a normal situation, I would have taken that information and started to plan for the future. But I would have damn well made sure the plan was logical and safe and not just some spontaneous reaction. And yet, just the mere presence of you being in the game changed all of that. Just because I knew I could go to you with an outlandish scheme... because I knew you wouldn't rat me out... because I knew you'd go along with it... because I knew it would be a lot of fun to do crazy stuff with you... it made me play differently. It turned me, if only for that one round, into a complete chaos player, which is the OPPOSITE of how I've ever played.

I KNEW it was a bad move to vote Miyagi out that round... not only because I'd be voting out someone that had been voting WITH me. But more importantly, because I'd be blindsiding THREE people with boat loads of incriminating information AGAINST me that they could use to flip Jason to take me out. I. SHOULD. HAVE. VOTED. JASON. OUT. THAT. ROUND. Or at least Darth Vader. But I didn't. I made a HUGE spontaneous chaos move that basically turned the game on it's head, saved you, (and temporarily Darth and Rocky), and caused a chain of events that led to all the big players taking each other out one by one.

Final five SHOULD have been all Skywalkers and maybe Inigo. I should have at LEAST made final five. And while you didn't convince me to make that play (the plan was completely mine... I sent you a long message proposing it, and it was based on information I got from Miyagi, not you), the fact that you were even available and willing to MAKE plays like that with me, is largely responsible for the WHY behind me making it.

You insulted people, you reeked havoc, you did things that nobody understood. You were the ultimate chaos player. But while most players avoided it, or lashed out against it, or tried to eliminate it, I was intrigued by it. I gravitated toward the fun of it... toward how interesting it would make the game. Your presence in the game led to the move that was the downfall of half the jury just by influencing the WAY I reacted to something. And even though it led to my destruction, I truly enjoyed working with you, every step of the way, even aside from all the BS.

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Hello to both of you, and congrats on making it to the final two.  Obviously, that's a big accomplishment, especially in a game that started with twenty people.

I don't have any questions for either of you tonight.  Instead, I just have some statements that reflect my perceptions of the two of you based on what I've observed, both from in the game and from on the jury.  Feel free to just ignore them if you want.  Or feel free to try to change my perspective in any way that makes you feel you'll more likely get my vote.  Or maybe respond to my questions in ways that you think will convince the OTHER jurors to vote for you.  It's your choice how you want to react to my words.

I'll start with Indiana.  I think you'll have your fair share of jury support, so I wouldn't worry TOO much about my opinion here.  But I do feel like you road coattails for a LARGE chunk of this game.  I know you want us to believe that your strategy was to fly below the radar, trusting in your allies, until the right time to make a move presented itself.  The thing is, I don't really buy that.  I know that you were busy in real life, and I fully agree that real life comes first.  BUT, there is a point where I think it does get in the way of the game in a way that is too much to overcome.  I'm wondering if your circumstances reached that point of no return.

There were many players in this game that you rarely, if ever, talked to.  You knew you could trust your allies for good reason... they knew you didn't have time to make any big waves and that you'd have to sign in, get your news from them, and then go along with the plan.  It turned into a pattern for round after round.  You were very rarely a part of the decision making process.  Every other member of Skywalker, and then eventually Inigo Montoya, would all make decisions, only for you to log in and agree.  That's not flying below the radar.  That's borderline not playing.  You could have literally only logged in minutes before every challenge, and you would have been ok for more than half the game, because you just weren't a threat, you were always a number, and it's precisely because you weren't around.

I find it hard to give someone points for leveraging their inactivity to keep them in a secure position.  And while you might not have been doing that on purpose (like I said, I know real life comes first), you WERE doing that.  It DID happen, and it's a large part of why you are sitting here tonight.

As for your eventual move... I handed that to you on a silver platter.  I gave you that long, juicy message full of information I was going to use to target Jason at F9, only to blindside all of Skywalker and  take out Miyagi instead, fully knowing you'd be able to use that against me  to try to get Jason to flip.  That was a gift, and without that, things would have been very different.  That was a horrible move on my part, that move against Miyagi at F9.  It was a chaos move.  And yet you STILL couldn't get me out the next round, as hard as you tried.  Inigo still went before me, because Jason had his OWN plans.

Then Darth and Rocky briefly took control.  If you EVER had control of this game, it wasn't until the VERY last couple rounds... and this was a twenty person game.  I'm just not sure that's enough to get my vote.

Now onto Freddy...

Man, o man.  You are peddling a ton of BS.  I'm only going to list some of the inaccuracies you've been pushing that involve me, though it seems there are a lot more.

1. You did NOT convince me to stop targeting Jason.  I stopped targeting Jason because I had no choice.  Inigo and Indiana were targeting me HARD.  And without Jason's vote, I was doomed.  I NEEDED Jason after the Miyagi blindside, which was never your idea anyway, so I created my own circumstances where I ultimately had to start trying to work with Jason again.  Nothing you said or didn't say could have changed that in any way.

2. You claimed that you had something to do with Skywalker throwing the last challenge.  But you really didn't.  Everyone on Skywalker had their own reasons to throw that challenge.  From saving Inigo, to voting out Hannibal, to voting out Luke (one of Hannibal's reasons).  Even if you tried to get us to want to throw that challenge, it would have been irrelevant, because we were already throwing it, and some of us had already been talking about it for rounds at that point.  In fact, I think that was a running theme with you this game... thinking you came up with ideas or caused things to happen when those ideas were already out there or those things were already going to happen anyway.  People just let you think it was you because it was easier.  A lot of people just wrote you off as that crazy guy that bullies everyone and tries to stir up chaos all the time.

3. I saved you a couple times, the most important being the round Miyagi got voted out.  Originally, you were the target... both Jason's AND Skywalker's (other than Superman, who wanted Darth).  I wanted you in the game for my own selfish reasons, so I did everything I could to get the target off of your back on onto Darth's.  I did it because you were a vote in my corner... a vote I thought I could count on when I needed to make a BIG move... like a move against Jason or a move against Miyagi.  You had very little influence with any of the Skywalkers OR Jason.  In fact, none of them trusted you or wanted you in the game.  The only people that ever really saw value in working with you (from what I could tell) seemed to be Darth/Rocky and myself.

That said, you had a HUGE impact on this game, and I think it is vastly overlooked.  And it had less to do with moves you made than it had to do with just your very presence.  The way you played.  The chaotic element that you just brought to everything.  What people don't know is how much that changed the entire course of the game.

As most players know by now, going into F9, the Skywalkers were in complete control of the game.  Me, Miyagi, Indiana, Superman, and Jason, by ourselves had majority.  But we also had Inigo.  I started to fear Jason would flip over to Darth and Rocky based on some conversations.  At that point, I decided I wanted to make a move against Jason.  This went into effect even before Luke was gone.  Even if Jason was innocent, I still wanted him gone, because it would have made more room for me within the Skywalker group, and it would have eliminated the threat of us being a pair, making me less dangerous.  I worked hard for a round and a half to set up for a Jason blindside, and everything was almost set...

...until Miyagi told me about an alliance Indiana had suggested with the two of them, Superman, and Inigo.  He said they needed a fifth, which, I made sure ended up being me.  Thus was born a five person alliance that Superman apparently didn't even know about or want to be in.  And even though Miyagi told me in confidence, and promised I wasn't really the fifth... I knew that at five, he'd have the ability to either go with me OR with Inigo and Indiana, taking the power out of my hands.

And here is where you deeply impacted this game, Freddy.  In a normal situation, I would have taken that information and started to plan for the future.  But I would have damn well made sure the plan was logical and safe and not just some spontaneous reaction.  And yet, just the mere presence of you being in the game changed all of that.  Just because I knew I could go to you with an outlandish scheme... because I knew you wouldn't rat me out... because I knew you'd go along with it... because I knew it would be a lot of fun to do crazy stuff with you... it made me play differently.  It turned me, if only for that one round, into a complete chaos player, which is the OPPOSITE of how I've ever played.

I KNEW it was a bad move to vote Miyagi out that round... not only because I'd be voting out someone that had been voting WITH me.  But more importantly, because I'd be blindsiding THREE people with boat loads of incriminating information AGAINST me that they could use to flip Jason to take me out.  I.  SHOULD.  HAVE.  VOTED.  JASON.  OUT.  THAT.  ROUND.  Or at least Darth Vader.  But I didn't.  I made a HUGE spontaneous chaos move that basically turned the game on it's head, saved you, (and temporarily Darth and Rocky), and caused a chain of events that led to all the big players taking each other out one by one.

Final five SHOULD have been all Skywalkers and maybe Inigo.  I should have at LEAST made final five.  And while you didn't convince me to make that play (the plan was completely mine... I sent you a long message proposing it, and it was based on information I got from Miyagi, not you), the fact that you were even available and willing to MAKE plays like that with me, is largely responsible for the WHY behind me making it.

You insulted people, you reeked havoc, you did things that nobody understood.  You were the ultimate chaos player.  But while most players avoided it, or lashed out against it, or tried to eliminate it, I was intrigued by it.  I gravitated toward the fun of it... toward how interesting it would make the game.  Your presence in the game led to the move that was the downfall of half the jury just by influencing the WAY I reacted to something.  And even though it led to my destruction, I truly enjoyed working with you, every step of the way, even aside from all the BS.

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Hello to both of you, and congrats on making it to the final two. Obviously, that's a big accomplishment, especially in a game that started with twenty people.

I don't have any questions for either of you tonight. Instead, I just have some statements that reflect my perceptions of the two of you based on what I've observed, both from in the game and from on the jury. Feel free to just ignore them if you want. Or feel free to try to change my perspective in any way that makes you feel you'll more likely get my vote. Or maybe respond to my questions in ways that you think will convince the OTHER jurors to vote for you. It's your choice how you want to react to my words.

I'll start with Indiana. I think you'll have your fair share of jury support, so I wouldn't worry TOO much about my opinion here. But I do feel like you road coattails for a LARGE chunk of this game. I know you want us to believe that your strategy was to fly below the radar, trusting in your allies, until the right time to make a move presented itself. The thing is, I don't really buy that. I know that you were busy in real life, and I fully agree that real life comes first. BUT, there is a point where I think it does get in the way of the game in a way that is too much to overcome. I'm wondering if your circumstances reached that point of no return.

There were many players in this game that you rarely, if ever, talked to. You knew you could trust your allies for good reason... they knew you didn't have time to make any big waves and that you'd have to sign in, get your news from them, and then go along with the plan. It turned into a pattern for round after round. You were very rarely a part of the decision making process. Every other member of Skywalker, and then eventually Inigo Montoya, would all make decisions, only for you to log in and agree. That's not flying below the radar. That's borderline not playing. You could have literally only logged in minutes before every challenge, and you would have been ok for more than half the game, because you just weren't a threat, you were always a number, and it's precisely because you weren't around.

I find it hard to give someone points for leveraging their inactivity to keep them in a secure position. And while you might not have been doing that on purpose (like I said, I know real life comes first), you WERE doing that. It DID happen, and it's a large part of why you are sitting here tonight.

As for your eventual move... I handed that to you on a silver platter. I gave you that long, juicy message full of information I was going to use to target Jason at F9, only to blindside all of Skywalker and take out Miyagi instead, fully knowing you'd be able to use that against me to try to get Jason to flip. That was a gift, and without that, things would have been very different. That was a horrible move on my part, that move against Miyagi at F9. It was a chaos move. And yet you STILL couldn't get me out the next round, as hard as you tried. Inigo still went before me, because Jason had his OWN plans.

Then Darth and Rocky briefly took control. If you EVER had control of this game, it wasn't until the VERY last couple rounds... and this was a twenty person game. I'm just not sure that's enough to get my vote.

Now onto Freddy...

Man, o man. You are peddling a ton of BS. I'm only going to mention one inaccuracy that involves me, but it seems there are many others. I think there is a sense that you are trying to take credit for everyone else's moves, whether or not that is true. I'm not sure your public posts over the last couple days have helped your cause.

My main complaint is that you did NOT convince me to stop targeting Jason. I stopped targeting Jason because I had no choice. Inigo and Indiana were targeting me HARD. And without Jason's vote, I was doomed. I NEEDED Jason after the Miyagi blindside, which was never your idea anyway, so I created my own circumstances where I ultimately had to start trying to work with Jason again. Nothing you said or didn't say could have changed that in any way.

I think that was a running theme with you this game... thinking you came up with ideas or caused things to happen when those ideas were already out there or those things were already going to happen anyway. People just let you think it was you because it was easier. A lot of people just wrote you off as that crazy guy that bullies everyone and tries to stir up chaos all the time.


That said, you had a HUGE impact on this game, and I think it is vastly overlooked. And it had less to do with moves you made than it had to do with just your very presence. The way you played. The chaotic element that you just brought to everything. What people take for granted is how much that impacted the entire course of the game.

As most players know by now, going into F9, the Skywalkers were in complete control of the game. Me, Miyagi, Indiana, Superman, and Jason, by ourselves had majority. But we also had Inigo. I started to fear Jason would flip over to Darth and Rocky based on some conversations. At that point, I decided I wanted to make a move against Jason. This went into effect even before Luke was gone. Even if Jason was innocent, I still wanted him gone, because it would have made more room for me within the Skywalker group, and it would have eliminated the threat of us being a pair, making me less dangerous. I worked hard for a round and a half to set up for a Jason blindside, and everything was almost set...

...until Miyagi told me about an alliance Indiana had suggested with the two of them, Superman, and Inigo. He said they needed a fifth, which, I made sure ended up being me. Thus was born a five person alliance that Superman apparently didn't even know about or want to be in. And even though Miyagi told me in confidence, and promised I wasn't really the fifth... I knew that at five, he'd have the ability to either go with me OR with Inigo and Indiana, taking the power out of my hands.

And here is where you deeply impacted this game, Freddy. In a normal situation, I would have taken that information and started to plan for the future. But I would have damn well made sure the plan was logical and safe and not just some spontaneous reaction. And yet, just the mere presence of you being in the game changed all of that. Just because I knew I could go to you with an outlandish scheme... because I knew you wouldn't rat me out... because I knew you'd go along with it... because I knew it would be a lot of fun to do crazy stuff with you... it made me play differently. It turned me, if only for that one round, into a complete chaos player, which is the OPPOSITE of how I've ever played.

I KNEW it was a bad move to vote Miyagi out that round... not only because I'd be voting out someone that had been voting WITH me. But more importantly, because I'd be blindsiding THREE people with boat loads of incriminating information AGAINST me that they could use to flip Jason to take me out. I. SHOULD. HAVE. VOTED. JASON. OUT. THAT. ROUND. Or at least Darth Vader. But I didn't. I made a HUGE spontaneous chaos move that basically turned the game on it's head, saved you, (and temporarily Darth and Rocky), and caused a chain of events that led to all the big players taking each other out one by one.

Final five SHOULD have been all Skywalkers and maybe Inigo. I should have at LEAST made final five. And while you didn't convince me to make that play (the plan was completely mine... I sent you a long message proposing it, and it was based on information I got from Miyagi, not you), the fact that you were even available and willing to MAKE plays like that with me, is largely responsible for the WHY behind me making it.

You insulted people, you reeked havoc, you did things that nobody understood. You were the ultimate chaos player. But while most players avoided it, or lashed out against it, or tried to eliminate it, I was intrigued by it. I gravitated toward the fun of it... toward how interesting it would make the game. Your presence in the game led to the move that was the downfall of half the jury just by influencing the WAY I reacted to something. And even though it led to my destruction, I truly enjoyed working with you, every step of the way, even aside from all the BS. Good luck. Own YOUR moves. Own YOUR impact. Stop taking credit for things you can't own. Because you still have a chance to win.

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