Abortion

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Abortion
Topic Started: Jun 9 2007, 02:39 PM (238 Views)
Fremskritt	Jun 11 2007, 07:51 PM Post #21
The poster formerly known as TP Posts: 11,047 Group: Members Member #22 Joined: October 30, 2005 Gender Male	Bob 121 In the case of the sperm cells dying you have to look at it this way, nature intended for numerous sperm to try to fertilize an egg since many wouldn't even make it to the egg but that's nature. As much as it sucks for the other million sperm who die they had a chance to reach the egg, and thus life. Eggs are also discharged via a woman's natural cycle so the same point applies. I'm not going to go and change how the human reproductive system works, but I'm not too fond of playing around with it either. Aborting a child would not be the equivalent to nature, that's the difference. Natural abortions (called miscarriages) occur as well, if the body of the mother decides the fetus won't be able to live or endanger the life of the mother. Seen from nature's viewpoint it's better to not waste time and energy on producing offspring that won't be able to live. This rarely happens nowadays though, because of our advanced healthcare system. Dark Death I am going to side with hl/sp/bob.... Abortion= ick. No offence, but please be more constructive. Why is abortion = ick? Because it's gross? Well, surgery saves lots of lives every year, but it's gross, so therefore it shouldn't be allowed? And the list goes on... Rinoa I agree with TP. I don't think abortion is the only thing that should be considered as an option, but it should continue to be legal. Even if you're against it, I think anyone can agree that if someone's going to have an abortion, it's best done legally and professionally than illegally, by an amateur in a back alley, which is what women seeking abortion would do if it were made illegal. Though legality isn't the issue at hand...Just saying. Well put, just because something is illegal won't stop people from doing it. If not done by a professional chances are very high that the mother ends up killing herself some way, either because of lack of hygiene or lack of experience, or both. Still, I would say that legality is the issue, because this is an ethical question, and laws are based on ethics. General Look what i spawned, i guess my reality check approach wasn't the best means of conveying my opinion on the news she shared with us. As for the topic at hand, i'm neither for, nor against abortion. I do believe in some situations it's best, like if complications arise where continuing to carry the baby could kill the mother. And if the mother dies so too can the child, i also feel that every woman should reserve the right to do as she sees fit with regards to her pregnancy. Sure the father's input matters but he's not the one carrying the baby now is he?, so many unwanted children are born into a life of poverty and famine, in a way abortions prevent the same fate from falling on yet another child. Of course if can't bear to abort it and you've no intention of keeping it, then for their sake place them up for adoption. Adoption is probabally the more humane way of ridding yourself of unwanted children............of course if you didn't get yourself knocked up in the first place then you wouldn't have to go through all this emotional crap..........the moral of the story is, if you're going to have sex make sure someone is using birth control and make sure it's still working. Otherwise you might wind up with a unplanned pregnancy, that's the thing when women don't overly want to get pregnant they seem more likely to become pregnant then if they're actually trying to make a baby. I guess pregnancy is one of those things that happens when you least expect it, or want it........... It wasn't you who started it (well, kinda you did), it was me continuing the thread, trying to stir up some discussion to get some activity on this forum, and it seems I've succeeded. You also practically took the words out of my mouth, I am not dead set for abortion in any circumstance, I'm for the more careful approach. I'm for abortion as an option, not as the answer.



*Rinoa*	Jun 11 2007, 10:12 PM Post #22
Advanced Posts: 2,087 Group: Global Moderator Member #66 Joined: February 23, 2006 Gender Female Innate Color Red Zodiac Sign Taurus	Quote: Still, I would say that legality is the issue, because this is an ethical question, and laws are based on ethics. Well it is an issue, but not the main one we're discussing here. From what I've seen, we're discussing whether it's morally wrong or not, which all depends on people's points of view, so there's no point debating over it really. Everyone has their own point of view, and since it's so controversial, it's a very opinionative topic to be discussed. Not saying I don't like reading about it though, and I'm not saying it shouldn't be discussed.
	...An enemy that is pure evil? Right and wrong are not what separate us and our enemies. It's our different standpoints, our perspectives that separate us. Both sides blame one another. There's no good or bad side. Just 2 sides holding different views. ~Squall Leonhart


Fremskritt	Jun 12 2007, 07:48 AM Post #23
The poster formerly known as TP Posts: 11,047 Group: Members Member #22 Joined: October 30, 2005 Gender Male	That's right, it's because it's controversial that it should be discussed, we can't just sit in each our lairs and pretened the other side is a bunch of morons and losers, it'll just end up in hostility. In controversial matters like this openness is of the utmost importance, so that we can learn to live with each other despite our differences.



Hlfranklin	Oct 24 2007, 12:11 AM Post #24
Tainted Soul Posts: 15,106 Group: Admin Member #1 Joined: August 30, 2005 Gender Male Innate Color Red Zodiac Sign Cancer	The Person Jun 11 2007, 07:51 PM Dark Death I am going to side with hl/sp/bob.... Abortion= ick. No offence, but please be more constructive. Why is abortion = ick? Because it's gross? Well, surgery saves lots of lives every year, but it's gross, so therefore it shouldn't be allowed? And the list goes on... Well.... I think that abortion can be a good thing in a few situations, like complications, rape, and a high chance of the mother, baby or both dieing. But i don't think it should even be an option otherwise, because it was your decision to have sex, so therefore you should be willing to take responsibility for your actions. I mean if you decide to shoot someone you are going to have to take responsibility for that, as with everything in life.



Fremskritt	Oct 26 2007, 12:42 PM Post #25
The poster formerly known as TP Posts: 11,047 Group: Members Member #22 Joined: October 30, 2005 Gender Male	Yes, i totally agree to the responsibility part. But isn't abortion a way of saying "yes, I screwed up"? (Pun not intended.) I'm not defending abortion as a preventive measure though, after all it's much easier to just put on a piece of plastic, it also has less moral implications. And why differentiate between rape and consentual sex? The fetus is still a human being-to-be no matter how it was conceived, so having this stance is hypocritical imo. Either a fetus is a living human being from conception or it is not. I take the latter stance, not just because it simplifies things, but also because even when born you aren't a full human being until you become of age anyway. You gain more and more rights the older you get, and somewhere along that line lies the right to life itself. I'm not saying a fetus is not a human being, but that it doesn't have the same rights as say, a 1 year old. Because after all, does a 1 year old have the same rights as a 10 year old?



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