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God doesn't exist!
Topic Started: Jun 10 2007, 06:47 AM (203 Views)
Fremskritt	Jun 10 2007, 06:47 AM Post #1
The poster formerly known as TP Posts: 11,047 Group: Members Member #22 Joined: October 30, 2005 Gender Male	Made you look, eh? Anyway, what is a good forum without some heated discussion about whether there is a higher being who is in charge? So let's go, I'll start off with saying that it's hard for me to believe in a superhuman being who made the world and will judge everybody some day, not to mention all his/her other traits. Can anyone convince me and my fellow non-believers that such an entity exists?



*Rinoa*	Jun 10 2007, 09:06 AM Post #2
Advanced Posts: 2,087 Group: Global Moderator Member #66 Joined: February 23, 2006 Gender Female Innate Color Red Zodiac Sign Taurus	I agree, I don't understand how people can believe that..though in most cases that's how they were raised, so that's what they were taught to believe in. When you're taught something from that early on you tend to believe it, not in all cases though, myself included.
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Norman Bates	Jun 10 2007, 02:48 PM Post #3
Hotel Manager Posts: 108 Group: Members Member #160 Joined: May 16, 2007	I can not convince you that God is real, you have to decide for yourself. Only you can change yourself. The only question I have is what do you think will happen after you die?
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Ice_Jedi5	Jun 10 2007, 03:26 PM Post #4
Instant Karma Posts: 263 Group: Members Member #144 Joined: March 20, 2007	I choose to believe there is something, because I fear death. I don't want to rot in the earth, I want to go somewhere nice. Where I can relax for eternity, meeting people, learning, having a good time. Many scientists have believed there is some sort of higher power.



Norman Bates	Jun 10 2007, 07:01 PM Post #5
Hotel Manager Posts: 108 Group: Members Member #160 Joined: May 16, 2007	Do you have an actual religion or do you just believe in a higher power?
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Fremskritt	Jun 10 2007, 07:16 PM Post #6
The poster formerly known as TP Posts: 11,047 Group: Members Member #22 Joined: October 30, 2005 Gender Male	Ice_Jedi5 Jun 10 2007, 09:26 PM I choose to believe there is something, because I fear death. I don't want to rot in the earth, I want to go somewhere nice. Where I can relax for eternity, meeting people, learning, having a good time. Many scientists have believed there is some sort of higher power. So it's just wishful thinking? I was hoping to stir things up a bit more...



Ice_Jedi5	Jun 10 2007, 07:30 PM Post #7
Instant Karma Posts: 263 Group: Members Member #144 Joined: March 20, 2007	Well, my family is Roman Catholic. And as a Catholic, you are very likely to go through something they call "Catholic Guilt". I guess that's what I have. I just lost my faith and want it back.



Bob 121	Jun 10 2007, 10:03 PM Post #8
Librarium Adept Posts: 837 Group: Members Member #16 Joined: October 16, 2005	I often have doubts but I sincerely hope there's a God. If there was though, I doubt that us mere mortals would be able to know for certain what all the rules and fine print to get into heaven would be. I mean, the Bible was written by mortal men after all.
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Fremskritt	Jun 11 2007, 07:35 AM Post #9
The poster formerly known as TP Posts: 11,047 Group: Members Member #22 Joined: October 30, 2005 Gender Male	Ice_Jedi5 Jun 11 2007, 01:30 AM Well, my family is Roman Catholic. And as a Catholic, you are very likely to go through something they call "Catholic Guilt". I guess that's what I have. I just lost my faith and want it back. Why do you want it back? As an atheist I can't think of any reason by myself, I need to hear it from someone who sincerely believes. No offence though. Bob 121 I often have doubts but I sincerely hope there's a God. If there was though, I doubt that us mere mortals would be able to know for certain what all the rules and fine print to get into heaven would be. I mean, the Bible was written by mortal men after all. To you as well, why do you hope so? And you are right, if a superhuman being existed, can we really expect to understand it? To take Jesus for example, he was crucified because the people in charge didn't believe him and saw him as a threat instead of the Messiah he was. I don't mind using examples from the Bible, because even though it's a so-called "holy book" it's full of lessons like these, at least from my point of view. It's when people start talking about it as "the one and only truth" I get a sour taste in my mouth.



Norman Bates	Jun 11 2007, 08:00 AM Post #10
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Bob 121	Jun 11 2007, 10:40 AM Post #11
Librarium Adept Posts: 837 Group: Members Member #16 Joined: October 16, 2005	The Person Jun 11 2007, 06:35 AM Bob 121 I often have doubts but I sincerely hope there's a God. If there was though, I doubt that us mere mortals would be able to know for certain what all the rules and fine print to get into heaven would be. I mean, the Bible was written by mortal men after all. To you as well, why do you hope so? And you are right, if a superhuman being existed, can we really expect to understand it? To take Jesus for example, he was crucified because the people in charge didn't believe him and saw him as a threat instead of the Messiah he was. I don't mind using examples from the Bible, because even though it's a so-called "holy book" it's full of lessons like these, at least from my point of view. It's when people start talking about it as "the one and only truth" I get a sour taste in my mouth. Becuase often there are times when I think about myself and others and just want to believe that there's a being watching over us. Other times I believe there is without a doubt. I just feel that with a superior being that humanity has much more of a chance at survival than without.
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Ice_Jedi5	Jun 11 2007, 03:38 PM Post #12
Instant Karma Posts: 263 Group: Members Member #144 Joined: March 20, 2007	I want my faith back because it gives you a feeling of purpose. It pushes you to do good. Its not a pleasant feeling, in my opinion, to think everything in a sense is chaos. As for the Bible, the way I view it is this. Don't take it word for word. Its a good book with a nice message but people just take it as if its the law of the land. The Bible has some real odd passages when you come down to it. Somewhere in a Gospel Jesus performs an exorcism of pigs, he sends them to the ocean where they drawn.



Marluxia	Jun 11 2007, 04:23 PM Post #13
*Floral Assassin* Posts: 7,435 Group: Admin Member #95 Joined: May 24, 2006 Gender Male Innate Color Pink Zodiac Sign Aquarius	I personally believe there are multiple 'gods', but they're merely a higher from of being and were once like us mortal folk. I don't know who or more likely 'what' created everything, and i can safely say that we may never know the answer, the universe...no all existance is nothing more then a never ending loop. It is born, exists awhile and is then reduced to nothingness, only to be reborn out that nothingness. If this theory is true there's no way of knowing how many times it has happened since all records that may have been made would be erased........time truly is eteneral and even when existance is gone it flows onward........while our exstance is being reborn existance in other dimensions continues.......paralel universes......the answer the, key to everything i crave is so close...yet so far away...............
	"Roses, Daisies, Tulips, and even Lilacs can be deadly to those who suffer from floral allergies. So beautiful to look at and smell but a weapon none the less, whether it be the thorns of the rose or the toxic pollen of a petunia; Flower power is just as mighty as any sword!"


Norman Bates	Jun 11 2007, 06:42 PM Post #14
Hotel Manager Posts: 108 Group: Members Member #160 Joined: May 16, 2007	Interesting theory.
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Marluxia	Jun 11 2007, 07:37 PM Post #15
*Floral Assassin* Posts: 7,435 Group: Admin Member #95 Joined: May 24, 2006 Gender Male Innate Color Pink Zodiac Sign Aquarius	It's simply a problem of possibilities, plus so much unexplainable stuff. Maybe the answer to the source of all origin is not for us to know...........
	"Roses, Daisies, Tulips, and even Lilacs can be deadly to those who suffer from floral allergies. So beautiful to look at and smell but a weapon none the less, whether it be the thorns of the rose or the toxic pollen of a petunia; Flower power is just as mighty as any sword!"


Fremskritt	Jun 11 2007, 07:37 PM Post #16
The poster formerly known as TP Posts: 11,047 Group: Members Member #22 Joined: October 30, 2005 Gender Male	@Bob and Ice: Many good points, but isn't it just a false feeling of security? You put your trust in something you don't know if exists or not? Also, you haven't answered my question, can you convice me that a higher being exists? Until now all I've gotten from you is reasons it feels good to believe in one, but nothing that actually tells me it exists. @General You also don't answer the question. All you say is that you can't prove the existance of a higher being, and this thread is about the opposite.



Marluxia	Jun 11 2007, 07:44 PM Post #17
*Floral Assassin* Posts: 7,435 Group: Admin Member #95 Joined: May 24, 2006 Gender Male Innate Color Pink Zodiac Sign Aquarius	Isn't that the point?, people have been trying to prove or disprove it for years and have gotten nowhere. I say trying to prove there is a god or isn't one is pointless, we should be focusing on our own lives and not something we stand little chance of comprehending at this point..............
	"Roses, Daisies, Tulips, and even Lilacs can be deadly to those who suffer from floral allergies. So beautiful to look at and smell but a weapon none the less, whether it be the thorns of the rose or the toxic pollen of a petunia; Flower power is just as mighty as any sword!"


Fremskritt	Jun 11 2007, 07:55 PM Post #18
The poster formerly known as TP Posts: 11,047 Group: Members Member #22 Joined: October 30, 2005 Gender Male	True, but that leads us to another question? Why do we need to consolation of a higher being? Don't we trust ourselves enough? That's why I ask for proof such a being exists.



Marluxia	Jun 11 2007, 08:41 PM Post #19
*Floral Assassin* Posts: 7,435 Group: Admin Member #95 Joined: May 24, 2006 Gender Male Innate Color Pink Zodiac Sign Aquarius	I beleive humans are truly feeble creatures, we may think we're all that. But deep down each one of us is searching for our purpose in life and we all have fears and doubts and for some believing in a higher power gives them hope and comfort. They think that if they truly believe then all their problems can be shifted to 'god's' shoulders, but in the end only you can deal with your own problems. Faith provides peace of mind, an escape from a rapidly corrupting world. But it is a choice, we have free will we alone decide what we do or do not believe in. To answer you last question TP, i think some of us choose to believe because we're scared and if we screw up or make a mistake it seems kinda nice to think that all can be forgiven. Others simply believe because it was the way they were raised, often times they end up rebelling later in life.
	"Roses, Daisies, Tulips, and even Lilacs can be deadly to those who suffer from floral allergies. So beautiful to look at and smell but a weapon none the less, whether it be the thorns of the rose or the toxic pollen of a petunia; Flower power is just as mighty as any sword!"


Ice_Jedi5	Jun 11 2007, 09:13 PM Post #20
Instant Karma Posts: 263 Group: Members Member #144 Joined: March 20, 2007	I'd rather live in ignorance. Its much easier on the mind. I'm not sure if any one can convince you their is a higher deity. I'll try though, how about those platypuses? Either God had just finished making marijuana or evolution was trying to pull one on us! Sorry for offending anyone if I did.



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