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| Cartoons Vs Video Games; The reasons children kill | |
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| Greypilgrim | Nov 30 2007, 08:27 PM Post #1 |
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It was once said (I believe it happened in the late 70's-early 80's) that "THEY" had to remove ALL the violent cartoons from TV because it was believed that it would warp the little impressionable minds of children and cause them to do harm to each other--much like the Three Stooges (even they were off the air because of this insanity.) The children HAD to be "protected"....They HAD to be......Really. They HAD to be "protected." So what happens?? Flash forward ten-twenty years to today. Video games. Car chases, cop killers, shoot-outs, body parts flying off from sword-wielding barbarians, monsters attacking and killing, aliens blasting humans to dust, guns blazing, bullets flying, the body count grows, blood and guts everywhere. So they("THEY" again) rate the games for Mature players. Mature Players.....there aren't any. All the players are kids and if they want to play the game, they get Grandma, or Grampa, or some aunt or uncle or older brother, sister, cousin, friend to buy them the game and they play it when Mom and Dad aren't around. Some play even when Mom and Dad ARE around. So because the children need to be "protected" (there's that word again) from TV cartoon violence, we can't watch a coyote get an anvil on his head. We can't see a duck take a shotgun blast to his face blowing his beak to the top of his head. We can't see a rabbit trick a hunter into walking off a cliff, then getting back up only to chase the rabbit with his shotgun. We can't watch a sheepdog pummel the Hell out of a wolf for trying to grab a sheep. We can't watch the silly non-real things that make us laugh. Yet the kids get to kill things. They get ideas to kill real things. They learn to hurt others in ways that no Warners' cartoon ever showed us how. And once people learn to stop violent video games, there will be something else to take its place. Something worse. Sorry.....I'm just pissed that we can't get a good cartoon on TV today and have to put up with all this SHIT that passes for cartoons. Everything is a fart or snot joke. There is NO humor in any of the cartoons today except the retardedness of Spongebob Squarepants--and even THAT'S strained at most. Well, that's my soapbox. If you don't agree, well, that's okay too. It's just something that I had to get off my chest. And that's all I have to say about THAT!! |
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| Inspector Carr | Dec 1 2007, 02:20 AM Post #2 |
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Well the irony of these "Mature" rated games is that whatever minor token steps the companies make..The parents go in and buy the games... There are no heroes nor villians in this little entertainment war...yes there are victims though..and like myself who grew up watching the Three stooges damn near every day, had the common sense to know that I could not run a saw across my friends head.. But I am in agreement the games place too much emphasis on blatent violence. It desensitizes it and in many respects sends the wrong message.. lets face it now and then we have rather warped ways of handling situations. Cartoons are censored with Cartoon violence because it will potentially raise a Charles Manson...Yet the games are blatent violence...What designates a Mature person...what is the cut off date.. talk about warped ways of handling situations...Just recently the Medical Examiner threw out the case of a NYC Policeman who spent time at Ground Zero. the Officer died some years ago from a lung scarring ailment (the name escapes me) which has been linked to a few deaths of volunteers at Ground zero..So the morale of the story and why the Medical Examiner threw out the claim was the fact that this officer arrived at Ground zero on September 13th.....In other words a cut off date of September 12th at 11:59pm is considered a valid time to file claims, If you arrived at 12:01AM September 13th and became ill with the same symptoms as another Volunteer.....Well sorry palley you missed the cut off date...not our problem...... To me that is a "real" problem...... Our toy guns which where rather impressive looking cowboy guns, hell I even had a Chip Saunders combat machine gun.....have been replaced with hand held controllers and some pretty amazing graphics.... The fault does not lie fully with the manufactuers but we can also blame the govt for why even the our rights as citizens allows freedom of expression....so in essence the manufactuers are protected by the same rights that protect us.... then who to blame...... maybe a little parental supervision.....instead of using the Xbox or or Playstation, Nintendo Wii or Xbox 360 as a baby sitter? My sister has a nintendo gamecube (which is primarily geared towards family oriented titles) and plays games with my nieces...that include super mario or a number of far less violent titles than even a Wile E. Coyote cartoon... As far as cartoons...I agree animation on television is mindless the series that come out for kids tied in more for cross marketing and buying toys and games and whatever....but then again it is nothing more than sending away for box top premiums years ago.....it is all about the mighty dollar,never lose sight of that.. there is actually some marvelous animation out there with more animated features coming out every year than ever before, why even fantasy laden live action CGI films are at an all time high films like Narnia, Eragon with a few on the Horizon this Holiday seaons. are the plots of the Pixar films silly and redundant sure but it also exposes a whole new generation of children....the tools are out there...ya just gotta use em properly.. The Cartoons we wax nostolgic about with a wise cracking bunny or his frustrated Duck pal, The Coyote in search of one particular Road Runner for a meal, were not made for us...kids....In fact I heard it from Chuck Jones himself...bottom line we made the cartoons for ourselves...That I believe why as adults we tend to be more excited (the majority) about Looney Tunes coming out. however after the success of Roger Rabbit they created a few Roger Rabbit shorts that were shown before films.....why they did not continue the practice I do not know.. In closing I own an Xbox 360 and a Game Cube system....I find the technology amazing...the graphics are worlds I could only dream of as a kid....I can become Turok and fight Dinosaurs I can be a knight in shining armor. and yes after a long day in the Restaurant business I can think of nothing better than coming home and whacking a few zombies heads off with a machete while riding on a skateboard thru a mall, or mowing down a platoon of Nazis coming thru the rye... but then again I am mature Now all I am waiting for is a three stooges game where I can finally run a saw across Larry's head... Gee whiz GP you're making me get all serious and stuff |
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| Greypilgrim | Dec 1 2007, 03:06 AM Post #3 |
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"Zarkov to Flash Gordon....Come in Flash!"
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But how many of our generation became kilers and said, "Yeah, I did it because I saw Elmer Fudd shoot Bugs Bunny?" or "Yeah I wanted to see what an anvil would do to my teacher's head. So I dropped one on him from the school roof." ? Kids bring guns to school. Kids BUY guns from jerks who SELL guns to kids. Kids get guns from idiot parents who find kids having target practice in the backyard a healthy recreation for unwinding from stress. Kids shoot people because they've had practice from video games and just get totally insensitive to the fnatasy and want to get the "extra" boost from a real kill....plus they're pissed off over something. OUR generation never thought, "Hey, Teacher gve me a failing grade. I think I'll go shoot his #$%&^%% brains out." We simply accepted that we were stupid and deserved the grade. We failed. So what? Today, it's a personal slap across the kids face with a gauntlet and a challenge to the troubled child. So he grabs a gun and ....bang. And a lot of times, they'll take themselves out with the teacher. Then the parent will ask, "Where did I go wrong?" "How did my child get that way?" Simple: Violent video games.......NOT cartoons. If he was watching good cartoons, he would've been laughing too hard to think about the teacher, the grade, or getting revenge. Or......he would've spent a lot of wasted time looking up the Acme Company to get a good anvil that could be tied to a balloon. Damn.....my nose is bleeding. My soapbox is TOO high.....sorry. But these things just bother me. I hope they bother you too. .................expecially if you're a teacher with a troubled student in your class. Ask for a Kevlar vest this Christmas. You'll be glad you did. |
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| Inspector Carr | Dec 1 2007, 04:20 AM Post #4 |
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I agree..
Novel idea....it will accent my Kevlar thong....hey it may not provide much protection but ya gotta guard the family heirlooms and besides I get alot of attention when I wear it to the mall...especially with no pants... Acme was bought out by Walmart.....The anvils alas are now being made in china with leaded black paint...
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| Stony Brooke da Mesquiteer | Dec 1 2007, 04:25 AM Post #5 |
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Well fellas, I have to call BULLSHIT on that. Those woes are from lack of parenting, plain and simple with a dash of enviroment thrown in. Not video games and not Sam Peckinpah flicks.lack of parenting. |
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| Greypilgrim | Dec 1 2007, 05:02 AM Post #6 |
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Yes, it IS a lack of parenting that allows the child to play the forbidden video games and check out bomb scematics online and collect books on guns and weapons of mass destruction. In the old days when a kid picked up a gun it was to rob a liquor store for money or booze. Today the take the guns to school and kill off their classmates teachers, and sometimes their parents as well. There were things my Dad did to me that I'd'a loved to have taken a baseball bat to his head for, but my sense of right and wrong--from God knows where, it certainly wasn't from my parents--won out--or lost, depending on your viewpoint. Today that sense of right or wrong is totally lost on many children and they don't give a damn about consequences and just do it. Environment, well that's a whole 'nuther ballgame that I am NOT going to play this round, but I do have thoughts on it. Damn this soapbox is getting taller...the air is starting to get thin up here. This is good and refreshing...let's hear some more views on the topic. This talk is invigorating! |
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| KanSmiley | Dec 1 2007, 05:53 AM Post #7 |
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Where to start...where to start, There are so many points I agree with so I'll comment on only two untl I go back reread all these posts. Back in the old days...for me that was in the late 40s...early 50s. I lived in (and still do) rural Kansas. Not every family owned guns but those that did were OK with that and the people that didn't own guns were fine with it also. I say that because my family basically didn't own guns. My father did allow me to have a single shot .22 caliber rifle. As early as 10 years old I would go "hunting" along a small creek that we lived near. I would take a box of 50 shells and my rifle and be gone for hours at a time. My mother was home and for the most part knew where I was. I was playing on a one mile stretch of creek bank. I would shoot cans, at frogs but I rarely hit anything that moved. I entertained myself because back then we were all Tom Sawyer types living in a rural area and that is what we did. I guess my point is I had access to a rifle at a very early age but I not once ever got into trouble. My father had taught me the responsibility that was implied with a rifle and trusted me and I knew if I got into any kind of trouble I would lose my access to my rifle. I have never shot anyone or anything that was of value to anyone else. Seondly, back in the day he had heroes we all looked up to. We had Roy, Gene, Hoppy, Durango. All of these heroes wore white hats and we sure didn't want to go anything that would offend them. There are no white hat heroes today. Even the police we see in movies and on TV have their demons or skeletons in their closets. Sixty years ago when the villain robbed the bank we knew that by the end of the movie he would be behind bars. Today that isn't always the case. Today the bad deeds done often are explained away by saying the villain had a bad childhood, he didn't have the advantages of someone else. No one takes responsibility. The more you get away with the worse the deed the next time until that person is shot dead on the street by a deranged cop and then it is all blamed on the police force. Sititng in front of a computer screen killing, maiming, speeding, whatever the deed, in my opinion, has to eventually make a negative impact on the kid that is playing the game. Eventually he doesn't see the difference between a computer game and reality. Enough for now. Kan |
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| rodney | Dec 1 2007, 07:29 AM Post #8 |
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I'd be awfully wary of blaming all of youth's problems on one thing, especially something like video games. If you ask me, the problem is less the content of the games and more that parents use them as babysitters and don't bother dealing with the fact that some kids may have a tough time telling between reality and entertainment. Should kids play overly violent video games? No, of course not. Are there other issues at hand? Of course there are. Naturally, I don't advocate the banning of all violent video games, because whether you choose to recognize it or not, there are adults that play video games, and what adults do in the privacy of their own home is their business. Obviously, some of you refuse to believe that adults play video games, but they do. "Mature Players.....there aren't any"? Horseshit. I grew up around guns. I learned to shoot a gun as a youth. It was a common part of life in rural Kentucky. I also learned a respect for guns and what they can do. And of course, you never, ever, ever point a gun (even a toy gun) at a person. Because I was taught how to properly use a gun, does that mean that I have idiot parents? Not hardly, by a long shot. That's the PROPER way to do it. Hiding things from your kids, and pretending that things don't exist is ridiculous. I get weary of hearing about how great everything was in the "good ol' days" and how the world is going to hell in a handbasket all because kids play video games and watch Spongebob. It's simply ludicrous. |
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| Chandu | Dec 1 2007, 11:57 AM Post #9 |
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Rodney, I'm sure you also get weary of people saying "I felt just as you do when I was your age too, but you'll change your mind as you grow older, just wait and see." I know I did! But in my case it was true, and I suggest that you'll be more appreciative of the "good ol' days" as you age too.
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| igsjr | Dec 1 2007, 12:51 PM Post #10 |
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Get some practice in, Rodney. Start by shaking your fist and yelling "You kids stay out of my yard!"
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| Inspector Carr | Dec 1 2007, 12:57 PM Post #11 |
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Since man has walked the earth..it has been a controversial and mad place...today with the internet the world has become smaller....Do I believe their was the Good old days....sure but were they ever truly good or do we put the emphasis on the highlight reel? However do I believe thier was a simpler time? sure.....7 channels on TV, putting our faith in Newsmen on only 3 national news shows, no phone in my pocket ringing at any given time? people being able to have a few drinks? Mom and Pop shops, Record stores? Hobby shops? there are good points and bad....sure we have cable, hell still aint nothing on some nights. Cel phone sure as hell makes my business easier. then again if there is an emergency I can be found..... News networks all over the place....to me they are all talking heads....the days of the real correspondent has slowly grounded to a halt.... Personally I would like to have a few drinks at work, however my restaurant is 45 miles away. Can't afford a DUI or DWI then again what they do makes a lot of sense....its all for the better good. It does upset me especially as I see Mom and Pop or private specialty stores closing....I was born 10 miles from Manhattan and spent most of my adult life there. as one of our posts on another thread about the closing of the Gotham book mart....In the old days it would have been replaced by another book store or some other specialty shop...today you can bet your best dollar a Starbucks (no Offense LG) or Verizon phone store will open...even the great city of New York has slowly been turning into a giant strip mall. you are probably seeing it in your nearby cities as well... Do I like Walmart gobbling up local merchants, Home Depot putting hardware stores out of buisiness. Starbucks trying to make people think they invented Java? But then again shopping on the internet has been a benefit for me especially when I just don't have the time to "go Shopping" or kill some time...It seems like I am working harder than ever before... The world is changing as we know it.....Computers are alien to many Americans over the age of 50...many of my friends and classmates still cannot attach something to an email....Computers scare them.... yet the younger generation it is part of the world they know.. The Good Old Days? it is all pertinent to the person....some people think the Good Old Days is when a Baseball or Sports figure stayed with a team for almost his entire career (Free Agency has put a damper on that on occasion) Some people refer to the good old days when Napster was about....Then there are others who have not been quite the same since Lynyrd Skynyrd went down in thier plane.. I embrace technology....and change.....sometimes there is a price to pay for it.. To me the good old days...are not my comics.....not my baseball cards....but when friends that are gone were still around.....My Grandmothers home cooking....and feeling safe because you know there was always a parent around even though you were on your own... It is the memories that make up "The Good Old Days" Reality unfortunately moves forward....sometimes faster than we want....But it moves on none the less... As far as violence in video games. sure it exists....But it is the Parental Units responsibility to Control, Monitor or simply say this is make Believe Johnny get a grip ya little Bas(*$#. Hey there has to be at least one situation (maybe not on this board) where some kid in the 40's would get into fights and some mother would blame those God-darn Violent serials where they are always fighting... In Closing I would like to say two more things well maybe three first.....................I believe kids are under (being a dad too) so much pressure today it is sad.....when my son was leaving Grade School in NYC he and his fellow classmates were "applying" to get into particular High Schools....I thought my son was going to have ulcers......not only him but his friends as well....he was less stressed choosing college.. My Sister had a meeting with someone at my Nieces School (she was 7) This Psych or whatever the hell she was wanted to put her daughter on Ritalin and was concerned because she was a "dreamer" writing stories and things like that....My sister was livid...."what is wrong with a child that has dreams...it's when they stop, that's when you have to be concerned" P.S. my Niece is fine...and does very well in school.. Second.............I hate to even remotely wax nostalgic but the reality in the NY area was when I a teenager..."someone could drop out of school (not that it is a good thing) get a job pumping gas own a car, rent an apartment (nothing fancy mind you) and still have money in the bank" this was in Westchester County in New York.....How many kids can do that today? personally I was glad I was born when I was...warts and all and now for the third point... "how bout that kevlar thong thing?"
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| Chandu | Dec 1 2007, 01:10 PM Post #12 |
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Inspector, you keep writin' good common sense stuff like that there, an' Panzer may let you inspect him afterall!!
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| Inspector Carr | Dec 1 2007, 01:18 PM Post #13 |
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We can dream...can't we
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| Greypilgrim | Dec 1 2007, 01:42 PM Post #14 |
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Throw in a "WHIPPERSNAPPER!!" or two!! :lol: ................................................ First off, I'd like to mention that this is OUR message board. And we are all entitled to our opinions. I respect that. This was a soapbox that I got on because something was eating me up about it and this was the best place to vent. These are my viewpoints, good or bad, I stand by them. I did not start this thread for a fight of who's right or wrong, but to hear similar or opposing viewpoints. And I've got them. Thank you. I look forward to more posts here, pro or con. But if you think I'm gonna fight back and make a melee out of the Balcony, well, you're wrong. You ain't gonna git NO fight here!! We'll take take it out back in the alley..you can always email me for a fight. I love using the delete button. The topic was to make people think and respond, and by golly, you boys sure have responded. And that's good. We need to see more activity in the Balcony. I've noticed that a lot of topics lay dead for a long time before anyone chooses to post on them again. If you've got a thought on something or want to know anything--make it a topic. Copperhead has been bringing some new life to the Balcony with questions and that's just great. But it seems like everyone just lurks or passes something by that they should respond to. So I rocked the boat. And before too long, even this will become yesterday's news. And, as I said before, everyone's welcome to throw a shot in about the subject. It's a free country--still--last time I heard, and Freedom of Speech is STILL one of our rights. And that's ALL I have to say about THAT!!
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| Inspector Carr | Dec 1 2007, 01:54 PM Post #15 |
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That's the great thing about this particular message board...we all get a chance to ruffle our own feathers and make points......no grudges....no bad feelings....water under the bridge.....and we all tend to get back on track as to why we are on this particular board in the first place.............................to have some fun.... till next Thong and all......
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