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Cartoons Vs Video Games; The reasons children kill
Topic Started: Nov 30 2007, 08:27 PM (685 Views)
thadk
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Maybe we should add in Japanese anime too. My roomates are either watching that shit or playing an outrageously violent video game... I have a hard time telling the difference when I pass by the TV!!!
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I'm only posting this because I may have left the impression that I was poking fun at Rodney's position on this topic, which I wasn't. I happen to agree with him; I think a large chunk of the problem is that parents today have a phobia about supervising their kids. Plus, it is my firm belief that the best censor we have in society is what we like to call the "on/off knob" at Rancho Yesteryear.

I don't play video games--but that's because my hand-to-eye coordination could be classified as retarded. The thought of banning these games just to make the tiny tots a little less homicidal doesn't sit well with me, especially when there are older individuals who also play these games, usually in their room in their parents' basement.

Well, heck, I can't write a rebuttal without being a wiseass, can I? Forget I said anything, and continue the debate without me.
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thadk
Dec 1 2007, 01:56 PM
Maybe we should add in Japanese anime too.  My roomates are either watching that shit or playing an outrageously violent video game... I have a hard time telling the difference when I pass by the TV!!!

As hypocritical as it may sound, I like Japanese anime and find some of the programs more of an art form than a blueprint for killing.

But yes, you're right, too much, too often could cause something to snap and cause trouble later.

Like the video games, anime, is also rated for Mature Audiences, but that doesn't mean ONLY Mature audiences will watch them.

Sci-fi Channel has an Anime Monday, and The Cartoon Network shows anime after midnight, but that doesn't mean that underage kids with TV's in their rooms AREN'T watching!! :o

Watchful parents can't ALWAYS know what their kids are doing 24/7.

Believe me, I have an 11 year old and I find it almost impossible to keep track of her and her overnites at friends' and stop-offs after school, and other things that she feels no need to let me know about. But she is a good kid and I trust her judgement, because afterall.........................I am her Dad.

And, boy, have I taught her things!!

But unfortunately, a lot of parents of troubled teens and pre-teens, don't watch for signs of trouble, or choose to ignore them.

Some even fan the fires and give into things they know are not right.

Things that cause great tragedy after.

Kids will get the things they want, no matter what.

Some of us did.

And the circle goes around once more.

What was that about Japanese anime?? :lol: ;)
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igsjr
Dec 1 2007, 02:20 PM
Well, heck, I can't write a rebuttal without being a wiseass, can I? Forget I said anything, and continue the debate without me.

You're doing fine.....keep going...
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igsjr
Dec 1 2007, 02:20 PM
I think a large chunk of the problem is that parents today have a phobia about supervising their kids. Plus, it is my firm belief that the best censor we have in society is what we like to call the "on/off knob" at Rancho Yesteryear.

The thought of banning these games just to make the tiny tots a little less homicidal doesn't sit well with me, especially when there are older individuals who also play these games, usually in their room in their parents' basement.


First the agreement is that some parents supervise their kids like they do their dog when it goes out the backdoor to take a dump and winds up in the neighbor's yard and starts a war... "Who'd have thought the dog would go there???" "We trusted him to stay in OUR yard." "BAD dog!!"

Yeah. Blame the dog for your negligence and stupidity. THAT'LL work with the authorities.

And as for banning games....wher'd you get THAT thought?? No one said anything about banning games, except to make sure the WRONG age group doesn't get their hands on them and if they do, they should be supervised and made to understand that it IS only a game, and it IS wrong to kill people for ANY reason.....

Unless you're an asshole like igs and just want to put a bullet in his head. (only kidding, igs...you're not THAT much of an asshole!! :P :lol: ;) )

Wisecracks are more than welcome, especially from you, my friend. :D

I'm having fun....let's hear some more. :D
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Well I wasn't saying anime should be held responsible for all the killings in the world... It's a blight on the tastes of animation students at most schools though.
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thadk
Dec 1 2007, 03:53 PM
Well I wasn't saying anime should be held responsible for all the killings in the world... It's a blight on the tastes of animation students at most schools though.

I know what you said.

I just added MY two cents to it. :D

Gotta keep this topic lively!! :lol: ;)

By the way, having gone to art school, myself, I had to deal with these "artistes" <_< , and they're ALL a bunch of pretentious jerks--trust me. :angry: :P

But, that's putting it mildly.

And that's meant for the ones who want their paintings and drawings to be placed in the Louvre....not the ones that would just be glad to do a comic book and are willing to do caricatures at the local town fair for 5 bucks a pop.

THOSE people are the true artists!!

And that's ALL I have to say about THAT!! :P :D ;)

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On a roll aren't we?...... :D
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greypilgrim
Dec 1 2007, 03:30 PM
And as for banning games....wher'd you get THAT thought?? No one said anything about banning games, except to make sure the WRONG age group doesn't get their hands on them and if they do, they should be supervised and made to understand that it IS only a game, and it IS wrong to kill people for ANY reason.....

You are absolutely right--you said nothing about banning games, and I apologize for putting words in your mouth. That having been said, there are plenty of people out there who wouldn't bat an eyelash about doing so. (They're the ones who can't sleep at night knowing that there are others out there having fun, to paraphrase the old H.L. Mencken observation.)

greypilgrim
Dec 1 2007, 01:56 PM
Watchful parents can't ALWAYS know what their kids are doing 24/7.

Depends on the type of surveillance equipment they're using. (They've made great strides in that technology, you know.) All seriousness aside, I'm willing to cut parents who make an effort to keep an eye on their kids some slack, but the majority of them (and they all live on our street) apparently skipped that session of Parenting 101. We have a gathering of street--and I'll use the word "hooligans," only because it's fun to say--hooligans outside our house every night turning their boomboxes and car stereos to "11" and generally instigating a social hour because it would seem they're not welcome in their own homes. My folks and I turn to one another and cry out in unison: "Where the hell are these kids' parents?"
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I get weary of hearing about how great everything was in the "good ol' days" and how the world is going to hell in a handbasket all because kids play video games and watch Spongebob. It's simply ludicrous.


Way back on the first page when I made my post about kids sitting in front of the computer playing games I didn't mean to imply that video games were the sole reason for the violence of youth today. I would say it is a small part of a much bigger overall problem of societal failings today. I am like greypilgram in that I am not going to get into an argument over my thoughts and ideas. There are many, many problems swirling around our youth of today. Divorce rate, young teenage girls having babies out of wedlock, a school dropout rate that seems to be climbing, the idea of living today because you will die tomorrow. Back in the day young people were bombarded with the cold war, nucelar war, etc. Today they are constantly bombarded with the idea they will all burn up with global warming. I don't know if global warming is real or not but I do believe that the world is in constant climate change. Thirty years ago the conventional wisdom was an ice age was coming in the next ten years and we were all going to freeze. It didn't happen. Fifty year ago Lucy couldn't even say "pregnant" on her TV show...she was in a motherly way. Today very young children can see how she got in the a motherly way up close and personal. Enough of this I believe there are many, many factors in play when it comes to the problems of our youth of today and as rodney says it isn't all video games.

Now to the "good old days" There were many problems facing a person in every day life in the 40s and 50s when I was growing up. Too many to go into a deep discussion now. I would just say that as most people get older they start yearning for a simpler day and time. When you could go shopping all day and leave your house unlocked and know it would be safe. When you went to school you knew you didn't have to worry about some kid bringing a weapon to school and shooting people. I was near high school graduation before I knew what the hell a condom was. Today kids in a middle school in Massachusettes can get condoms from the school nurse. The worst thing I had to worry about when I was in high school was whether or not dad was going to let me use the family car for a date on Saturday night. I didn't own a car until after I had graduated from high school. Sometime I will have to tell you how I managed a date on Saturday night when dad would not let me use the family car.

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Don't apologize or explain your opinion Smiley, that only lessens its impact on others. Stand by what you said and understand that it's okay to give a voice about ANYTHING that you believe in passionately.

You stated some good points by the way.

And about Dad not letting you have the car when you have a date....been there/done that.

You'd be surprised the many 'make-out-PLUS' places you can find just by walking around town! :o

I know I was..but my date was already a.....ummmm....."veteran" of many "bivouac maneuvers"!! :lol:

The problem with the condoms in Mass. is that they're being given to 11 year olds, and people aren't sure whether they're supposed to prevent children of that age to use to keep the girls from getting pregnant, OR it's giving those same aged kids the GREEN light to HAVE sex!!

Like I said, I HAVE an 11 year old daughter, and I WAS 11 at one time, and I KNOW what I did at that age (:rolleyes: :D :P) , and being a father, I am SO not comfortable with that knowledge. :(

Its a "Do as I say, not as I did" thing.

Ain't easy being a grownup... :(

Your sowing oats at an early age soon comes back to take a big bite out of your ass!! :o :(
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Dec 1 2007, 09:02 AM
Today that sense of right or wrong is totally lost on many children and they don't give a damn about consequences and just do it.

A truer statement has not been spoken in this thread.
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Dec 1 2007, 03:57 PM
"I felt just as you do when I was your age too, but you'll change your mind as you grow older, just wait and see."

OK, this statement could rival the one above for most true. This one gets more and more true each year, for me. You'll find out when you get older, Rodney.
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thadk
Dec 1 2007, 05:56 PM
Maybe we should add in Japanese anime too... that shit

Again, another contender.
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thadk
Dec 1 2007, 07:53 PM
anime...It's a blight on the tastes of animation students at most schools...

That is very good news, indeed. That "art form" can't die off fast enough.
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