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| Cartoons Vs Video Games; The reasons children kill | |
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| The B-Man | Dec 1 2007, 11:24 PM Post #31 |
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Interesting topic. I'll toss my 3 1/2 cents in. 1.I think the main thing as others have said is bad or just plain lazy parenting. ! was guilty myself of sitting my kid in front of the boobtube and letting her watch hours of Tom and Jerry , Woody Woodpecker etc. while I went about my business. 2. I agree that alot of these games are violent as hell but there is not much difference between this and my day of sneaking into an R rated horror when I was 11. I do think that when a kid goes to buy a game they should be carded. Hell,I got carded buying beer last week. The parents should get a quick preview of what they are buying if it's a gift. 3 There are guys my age and older whom I work with that spend hours a day after work killing thugs,cops,aliens,orcs,hookers,Iraqis etc. I guess thats how they de-stress. I lift wts twice a week or drink a few beers and watch stupid people get hacked up in B-movie blood baths. 4.If you really think about it the "good old days" are mostly an illusion if you lived in the burbs or cities. There were very few families like the Cleavers,Andersons or Nelsons. They are mostly fond memories of a few things when we were young and ignorant (ignorance is bliss) to help balance the bullshit of modern life as an adult. I still have a nice memory almost 40 years old of playing with a couple hot wheels,a handful of h.o soldiers on a saturday afternoon and the aroma of my moms roast beef and gravy cooking in the oven. A brief period in time that was nice but now is still nice but rather pointless. 5. You could go and blame kids acting out on horror movies,"satanic" metal,rap,insecurity and peer pressure. Face it,kids were are and will always be cruel little assholes .Kids have shot kids for a $150 pair of Nikes or wearing a hat wrong(gang bullshit) 6 Back in the mid 70's I was just a little twerp in H.S who got picked on alot. I started to carry a 5" blade in my boot or jacket. I got in a hassle with a kid one day and enough was enough. I went back to my locker for my blade. It took 2 mins. When I went back to where the kid had been he was gone. If he hadn't left I would have sliced him. If I had access to a gun I probably would have shot him. It wasn't video games,music , movies or anything else than being tired of all the shit. 7. Columbine. My niece was a fairly new math teacher at that school when it happened. Two of her students were shot. 8. Nothing stays the same and yet it does. It's just more complex and fast paced. It happens with every generation. Thats why it's the norm to have both parents work full time because it's just too damn $$ to live in most areas not to. 9. My older sister was one of those moms who would not let her kids watch Tom and Jerry, The 3 Stooges,pro wrestling or the Simpsons ect because it was too violent. Mr Rogers was almost pushed on them. They still antagonized and beat the crap out of each other. I'm sure theres more but It's late and I'm getting sleepy,very sleepy
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| Inspector Carr | Dec 2 2007, 04:04 AM Post #32 |
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BMan..I think your description actually sums up my theory about the good old days far better than I wrote in an earlier...Although I have some rather wonderful memories as a child they are in fact just that...Memories...However we view those memories thru the eyes of a child...our parents, grandparents were stressing out to problems pertinent to the day, and many times we as children were not privvy to these adult things (Remember many of were raised with the children should be seen and not heard theory) As I had stated the Good old days do circulate around people and family more than items. If someone is feeling kind of down and want to buy an old copy of Famous Monsters or a Batman comic from the early 60's and want to plunk down enough cash for it then Ione can and if it offers someone either theraputic comfort or joy then it is truly worth . the good old days with friends and family that have moved on, perhaps that neighborhood I once lived in that has slid downhill. well that is gone and no amount of money can bring back those things that we refer to as the good old days...and then again we have viewed these things through the eyes of a child and carefully fine tune our memories to edit it into a perfect little promo reel in our heads....Don't get me wrong but there is no one on the planet who's life mirrored the sitcom family of the early late 50's or 60's. it is a carefully packaged product. My Good old days are wide and varied and are in fact great memories for me. from going to see Pinnochioon the big screen with my mother one afternoon when I was 5. to me it was a magical day. but if I took a trip back and was able to see it as a person outside the fishbowl, in may in fact just be a lady with her son going to see an old cartoon....but if I wish to believe the magic...that is my choice just like anyones choice...the good old day in "1992" buying tickets for my son and his friend to go to a Smashing Pumpkins Concert (of which I attended) yes magical even for a man in his late 30's. the birth of my granddaughter (who I have yet to see because she lives in Europe).. or the day I rolled my truck six times in a snow storm in 1995 turning it into scrap metal and by some grace of god climbed out of the truck with only a cut on my hand (from one of the broken windows that all blew in on me) that was not a Good old Day but just a simple Good Day in the big picture> Good Old days happen every day....what happens today by tomorrow could qualify as a Good Old Day.... Hell as wacky as it may sound one of us here someday if god forbid this little micro nitch called in the Balcony were to close up it's tent for whatever reason perhaps one perhaps some would refer to the days on In the Balcony as "the good old days" and in closing good cyber friends I must be off to open my restaurant....I wish you all a wonderful Sunday and BMan your 3 and a half cents was well worth the read my friend...... till next Kevlar thong and all.....The Inspector..... |
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| rodney | Dec 2 2007, 05:57 AM Post #33 |
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It's hard to explain. I love the idea of nostalgia, in fact, like everyone, I get nostalgic myself for my yout'. I also obviously have a love for the 40's and 50's, which is fueled by my interest in radio and movies. You know what really bugs me about parents now? They never give kids time to just PLAY. People that I work with have their kids signed up for an activity literally every night! Soccer, Scouts, baseball in the summer, football in the fall, basketball in the winter, and these things take up tons of time! These kids have more appointments and obligations than many adults! Sure they say that it's character building and whatnot, but I can't help but suspect that it's also an excuse to get a free babysiter in the evenings sometimes. Maybe if parents let their kids be kids instead of "junior adults" and retain a bit of innocence things would be a little better. |
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| Laughing Gravy | Dec 2 2007, 06:09 AM Post #34 |
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Well, much of this is generalities. I think parents of every generation have had a lot to worry about, and I think parents of every era since the flapper era have blamed "the kids going bad" on something or other. Before that, probably. As far as I'm concerned, so long as you (a) make sure your kids can read, and that they do so; (B) keep the lines of discussion open with them and encourage them to talk to you and to know about what's going on in the world, and © force them to watch B&W movies once in a while, they'll be fine. |
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| thadk | Dec 2 2007, 09:36 AM Post #35 |
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My parents signed me up for kiddie soccer and baseball leagues when I was like 6. I showed such a vain disinterest that they never did so again. So I guess they were OK. |
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| Greypilgrim | Dec 2 2007, 08:00 PM Post #36 |
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Now that you've reminded me.... I think those "Little Miss..." 'beauty pageants' ought to be outlawed. And the people who support them and promote them out to be strung up by their most delicate body parts and shot. Those contests take the innocence from little girls and allows manic mothers to live vicariously through them dressing them up and putting make-up on them in ways that make them look like cheap whores. No wonder there are pedophiles watching these 'shows' like a hungry wolf watches a herd of sheep. Parents should NOT put kids in competitions that aren't mentally healthy for all concerned. But then there are parents who don't know or give a rat's ass if their kid DOES show some apptitude for something and think they should do everything possible to support that talent whatever it is. I'll use my frighteningly dysfunctional family as a bad example: I wanted to take art lessons when I was a kid, cause my teacher thought I had potential to be an artist (we're talking 8-9 years old). My teacher talked with my folks, gave them pamphets for art schools and teachers in the area. Everyone smiled, looked happy, and shook hands and laughed, and went on our separate ways. When we got home, my Dad gave me a yelling and a beating for "starting trouble", "rocking the boat" and "costing them money they didn't have for 'stupid' art lessons" and "making them look foolish in front of the teacher"......I hadn't said a word at all during the meeting. They refused to think about it and threw the pamphets in the trash without even loking at them. End of subject. When I went back to school, I told the teacher what happened. He apologized for putting me in that position, and said to not give up hope. A few years later, a friend of mine had the same offer and HIS Dad did everything in the world that he could so his son could have the advantages that he never did. He even took out a second mortgage on his house to do it. When I mentioned it to my Dad, well.................it didn't endear me to him anymore than I was (which wasn't much) already. And so I got another beating cause he thought I was trying to make him look cheap, stupid, and uncaring. He needed MY help? I thought he was doing well enough on his own. Well enough of that. But you get the idea. Fast forward to today....... My daughter likes to draw. I buy her art supplies. If one day says she doesn't want to draw anymore, I'll stop buying the stuff for her. She likes to read a lot. I buy her books. If she tells me she doesn't want to read anymore, I'll stop buying books for her. I'll support her interests, but I won't force her into doing something she doesn't want to because I think she should. It's HER life, HER decisions. And I'll back her up 1000%...yeah, I said one THOUSAND per cent. As beautiful as she is, she will NEVER appear in ANY "Young Miss" beauty contest. She doesn't have to because HER Dad tells her every day how beautiful and smart she is. And that's ALL I have to say about THAT!
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| The Batman | Dec 2 2007, 09:28 PM Post #37 |
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Good work, Thad, ya got him started again. :rolleyes:
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| Greypilgrim | Dec 3 2007, 03:03 AM Post #38 |
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"Zarkov to Flash Gordon....Come in Flash!"
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At my age it doesn't take much...........WHIPPERSNAPPER!! :rolleyes: :lol:
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| Inspector Carr | Dec 3 2007, 04:35 AM Post #39 |
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You should have secretly drew the pirate or turtle on the back of those matchbook covers and mailed it in..... I think it is important to allow children to experiment with different things (art, Music, sports) if they are interested it will stick. if not they have been exposed... of course I would draw the line at say....An In home Crystal Meth lab...
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| Greypilgrim | Dec 3 2007, 05:11 AM Post #40 |
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"Zarkov to Flash Gordon....Come in Flash!"
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Yeah....That's where giving your child the 'Gilbert Super Deluxe Chemistry Set', may NOT be such a good idea. But my tirade was mostly just what you said...let it be the CHILD's idea to do something and not the parent's. Let THEM figure out where they want to go, what they want to do in life. If we didn't live the lives we wanted....tough. Let the kids live their lives they way they want to....within reason. And let's support and encourage them. Oh, and by the way, I DID do what you said about drawing those pictures for those correspondence schools... and THEY cost an arm and a leg, also. I can STILL do a good pirate! :lol: |
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| KanSmiley | Dec 3 2007, 07:10 AM Post #41 |
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I know on occasion we all disagree with the way our adult children handle their own children...our grandchildren but my two daughters both encourage their kids to do just what the Inspector advocates. Let the kids experiment with all sorts of things...within reason. My daughters and their husbands encourage softball, soccer, karate, baskeball, band, dance, piano, music whatever the kid wants to try. They have but one rule. If you truly want to try something you will stick it out one semester, one school year, or one season whatever it is. They will not let them quit after two or three practices. That has been the rule now for several years. And, more importantly they don't force them into any activity the child has no interest in. They all play soccer but if any on of the four grandchildren truly did not want to play soccer they would not have to just to please mom or dad. One child has participated in soccer for six years, in dance for seven years but quit piano after one year. They tried clarinet and is now in her fourth year. I believe if the child knows going in they can't quit after two or three times they have a different attitude about starting something and they get a better idea about the area they are trying. At this point I don't know if any of my grandchildren will truly excel at any of the endeavors they have tried but I do know they have a lot of support from their parents. |
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| Greypilgrim | Dec 3 2007, 09:55 AM Post #42 |
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Well, at least in their 'senior' years, they won't have regrets about not having the chance to try something they'd always wanted to, but didn't or couldn't for some undue reason. I still have regrets that I didn't learn the guitar. But I'm left-handed and they didn't know how to train lefties when I was a kid. I know, that didn't stop Paul McCartney!! But I DID finally go to art school under my own power--and money. Of course, I had to sell EVERYTHING I owned to do it. It was only one year that I was able to afford to go, but it was well worth it. It was The Joe Kubert School of Cartoon and Graphic Art, Inc., in Dover, N.J. and I had a blast. Maybe I didn't turn out to be a professional like some of my classmates did, but I learned a lot and got to shmooze with some Comic Art professionals. My daughter found some of my old stuff recently and sneaked them into school to show her art teacher. She told me later that the guy was amazed that I hadn't had anything published. He told her that I was really good. Yeah, like an art teacher would actually KNOW about art!! :lol: :rolleyes:
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