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Captain Marvel; to buy or not to buy?
Topic Started: Jul 3 2008, 04:33 AM (4,096 Views)
Don Diego
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and Bats it is on Amazon North as well - the are pretty good at delivering Kino, Olive not so much
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Nice, thanks guys, it's in my cart.

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Pre order price at Amazon is now down to $19.99.
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Outie, Kino is having a sale right now and CAPTAIN MARVEL is only $14.978 on Blu and $10.97 on DVD.


https://www.klstudioclassics.com/product/view/id/4600



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Batman, postage by Kino to Canada is $10 for first item. I don't know what Amazon would charge you or if their offer of free postage if you spent over $20 with them would apply.
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Thanks, Outie, we get free shipping for orders over $100, and with the great prices in this sale, I easily exceeded that. Appreciate the concern.

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First review of the Captain Marvel serial Blu-Ray: http://www.dvdbeaver.com/film6/blu-ray_reviews_77/adventures_of_captain_marvel_blu-ray.htm
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I think all the serials had different deals with the studios - so that Columbia kept the Batman serials (and Congo Bill, Vigilante, and others, as well as Quality's Blackhawk) as part of their contract but the more valuable Superman properties reverted to National Comics. (And Captain America reverted whatever Timely/Marvel was called then.) DC never owned the Captain Marvel serial and can't even use the name without Marvel Comics permission so they certainly couldn't stop the release of the Blu-ray if they wanted to. Whether Marvel could is a matter of conjecture, I s'pose.
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But DC put the original Captain Marvel comics out of business when they won the lawsuit that said the character was a rip-off of Superman. The latter-day Captain Marvel that Marvel owns has little relationship to the original character. See this Wikipedia article: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Captain_Marvel_(DC_Comics)
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All true, but DC can't call their Captain Marvel Captain Marvel because Marvel comics picked up the trademark. The 1970s Shazam! series was called that for that reason.
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But DC still owns the character as created in Whiz Comics, whether that character is called Captain Marvel or Shazam. Not only did they put the original comic out of business but in 1972 they acquired the rights to character from whatever remained of Fawcett. The name is one thing, the character is another.
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But DC has no rights whatsoever to the serial or even its title. The "character in the serial whose name they can't use"? They'd get laughed out of court. They can't even claim that the release of a 1941 film would harm their rights to do a current film - they can't DO a current film of Captain Marvel, only of "Shazam!" Marvel is doing a Captain Marvel film, they'd have a much better chance of tying this up in court if they wanted to flex their muscle (well, Disney would, anyway) but why would they? In any case, I simply don't think anybody cares. If the release of the serial sells a few more Shazam! comics, DC would be happy. I assume their version of Cap'n Marvel is still around in some form.
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I have heard their is a Shazam film under development. So the character may live on in the movies.
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FYI - As of 2011, DC Comics has officially changed Captain Marvel's name to Shazam. "Captain Marvel", as we all know him, is officially dead.

Marvel Comics took advantage of DC's forced retirement of the Big Red Cheese to create their own Captain Marvel in 1967 and have maintained the copyright on that name ever since.

I've never read an original Captain Marvel book, but do know of their popularity at the time. I've always wondered what things would be like now if Fawcett had won that lawsuit.


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All true, but DC can't call their Captain Marvel Captain Marvel because Marvel comics picked up the trademark. The 1970s Shazam! series was called that for that reason.
DC can and did (until 2011) use the name Captain Marvel for the character they bought from Fawcett. That was never the issue.

The problem was Marvel Comics took advantage of the fact that Fawcett allowed their TRADEMARK on the title Captain Marvel to lapse. By publishing and continuing to publish a comic book entitled Captain Marvel, Marvel Comics was able to claim this trademark. This also explains why, after killing their original version of Captain Marvel in the early 1980s, Marvel Comics created the African-American Captain Marvel and published several one shots about this character - they HAD to do this in order to avoid having their trademark lapse.

All of this is why DC has always published the title as Shazam or some variant; this is also why they had to remove the blurb "the original Captain Marvel" from the covers of the comics they published in the 1970s. But even in that period, the character was officially known as Captain Marvel.

Now it's true that Marvel can't use the character attributes of Fawcett's/DC's Captain Marvel/Shazam, nor can DC use the character attributes of Marvel's Captain Marvel. But DC can (if they choose) continue to use the name Captain Marvel for their character - they just can't use that name as the title of any comic book, TV show (hence why the kiddie show from the 1970s was also known as Shazam), or movie. That latter point - as DC tries their hand at an extended universe - is probably the main reason why DC gave up the ghost and renamed the character as Shazam a few years ago. Can you imagine the fun it would be for WB's marketing dept to create a campaign for a movie featuring a character named Captain Marvel without being able to use that name?

The links below explain this:

http://c4sif.org/2011/09/how-copyright-killed-superboy-and-captain-marvel/
https://www.newsarama.com/6759-an-oral-history-of-captain-marvel-the-lost-years-pt-3.html
Edited by wasass, Aug 28 2017, 02:19 PM.
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