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| Topic Started: Tuesday May 5 2009, 09:54 AM (1,010 Views) | |
| PSUSyr5 | Tuesday May 5 2009, 09:54 AM Post #1 |
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Not sure why I didn't post this last week...but here it is now. From espn.com:
So, he mentioned Pitt, Rutgers and Syracuse, each of which are Big East teams. Of course, the obvious choice would be Notre Dame, but that probably would be less likely to happen than getting someone to walk on Neptune. Is he right? Secondly, who should the Big Ten go after (maybe one he didn't list)? Finally, assuming they would take a team from another conference, how would you realign the conferences? |
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| WeatherManNX01 | Tuesday May 5 2009, 06:10 PM Post #2 |
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I'm not going to say that the Big Ten needs a twelfth team. But if they were go get one, I am not going to be against it. I find it to be a "go with the flow" sort of thing. Now, I have to agree that the Big Ten is at a disadvantage by being on hiatus for weeks while other conferences play on. Personally, though, I've always been against the conference championships. I find it to be one more item for the hype machine. Of all the teams to join, I would vote for Syracuse or Pitt. Both teams used to have strong relationships/rivalries with Big Ten teams, but those are no more. In fact, it'd be a good move for Pitt in terms of TV viewership. Get this - Pittsburgh (and thus Pitt) does not get Big East football games on the Big East network. They do, however, get all the glory of Penn State and its coverage on the Big Ten Network. |
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| PSUSyr5 | Wednesday May 6 2009, 02:58 PM Post #3 |
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I agree with you on most things here. Yeah, Big Ten doesn't need a 12th team (would they then call the conference the Big Dozen?), but it does make sense. I mean, they already don't have a round robin schedule, and are the only major conference that doesn't have either round robin or a title game. Having the layoff as big as it is (which will be fixed a little bit by having byes into the schedule sometime in the future) definitely hurts as well. I'm also against the conference title games, but again, if it's not going to be round robin, at least there's a way to make it so teams don't get a conference title just because they just so happened to not play a power team. As far as I know, there isn't a true network called the Big East network, it's simply ESPN regional tv that happens to have Big East games. At least that's my understanding. The team I believe Big Ten should go after is Temple. First off, it gets the MAC back down to 12 teams which makes more sense than 13, at least for football. Temple is a full member of the Atlantic 10 and I don't know too much about that conference, except that they also have more than 10 full members. That said, I believe the team most likely to go would be Syracuse. They were ready to bolt for the ACC years ago, but a funny thing happened: they didn't get an invitation, BC did. If they were ready to leave then, they'd probably be ready to jump now. Syracuse doesn't really have a Big East football rival...maybe Pitt, but that's about it. They play West Virginia for a trophy, but no way is that near the rivalry of Pitt-WVU or even Cinci-Louisville. If it's Temple, no real restructuring of conferences needs to be done. If it's Syracuse (or Pitt or Rutgers or any other Big East school), then we might just see another conference shake up like the ACC raid and the following Big East restructure created years ago. Probably not as big as the ACC/Big East thing, but still I'd imagine quite a few conferences would be impacted. |
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| WeatherManNX01 | Wednesday May 6 2009, 07:30 PM Post #4 |
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Well, as you know, I've been all about the Big Ten having a round robin schedule - it's entirely workable if they eliminate two cupcake games. They'd still have two cupcakes plus round robin. Add the magical 12th team and they could still have one cupcake and round robin (or add a thirteenth game instead of a conference championship - yeah, I know, never ever going to happen). I know they want to keep the cupcakes for easy wins, but it would also add to the conference's credibility to have more wins against quality opponents instead of low I-As and I-AAs (and the occasional DII). This is true - I found this out after posting when I went to look it up. However, I have it on good authority (my brother attends Pitt) that they see considerably more Penn State games than they do Pitt - even when Pitt is at home. That's just wrong. Temple is a team I had not considered. I know Penn State and Temple have a rivalry of sorts. And the biggest thing I'd be looking for would be balancing the conferences. I-A football needs to have everyone on the same page - in-conference games, out-of-conference games, schedules, weeks in the season, etc. And balancing the conferences would be of help to some of those, particularly in schedule as I outlined above. The other option somewhat combines my idea and yours - move Syracuse to the Big Ten and move Temple to the Big East. |
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| PSUSyr5 | Thursday May 7 2009, 08:27 AM Post #5 |
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You know,they definitely could balance conferences right now. There are 120 teams, which means in theory there could be 6 conferences of 20 teams each. Split them each into 2 divisions of 10. Have each divisional opponent play each other for 9 games, and then schedule 3 other games. Conference championship games would be the top team from the given divisions. Conference champions get one of the automatic BCS spots. Big problem would be what to do when teams move up to FBS from FCS or D2. But even without that, this 20 team conference thing wouldn't happen any time soon. |
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| WeatherManNX01 | Friday Dec 11 2009, 09:49 PM Post #6 |
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Full article. |
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| PSUSyr5 | Thursday Dec 17 2009, 09:11 PM Post #7 |
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Big Ten is looking toward expansion...Full article ...but Notre Dame is not interested. Full article So, I've heard Missouri, Pittsburgh and Rutgers are possible candidates. If I was the Big Ten, I would take a look at Temple as well. I'm not sure if Pitt would leave the Big East or if Missouri would leave the Big 12, and I'm not sure if Rutgers really adds anything to football or the other sports. Temple has been on the rise in football (they are going to a bowl game this year), and have a fairly decent basketball team (won the last 2 Atlantic 10 tournaments). It would also resolve the awkward situation of having 13 football teams in the MAC. |
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| WeatherManNX01 | Friday Dec 18 2009, 06:24 PM Post #8 |
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My top vote is for Pitt, second for Temple. I think Pitt has a very desireable program to have in the conference, and it would create a great rivalry with not only Penn State but Ohio State as well. Temple also for their location and their rising program. For Missouri, I have a hard time believing they'd leave such a strong conference, and I'm not sure the Big 12 would let them get away so easily. Rutgers is just kinda...there. I have no strong feelings for Rutgers, which to me is as good as a "no" vote. And just an aside - if we manage to lure Missouri away from the Big 12, I suppose the two conferences could just switch names and logos.
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| PSUSyr5 | Friday Dec 18 2009, 08:02 PM Post #9 |
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Well, I doubt the Big 12 would not pick up another team if they lose Missouri or any other team. The big thing against getting Missouri from the Big 12 would be that there really aren't any big rivals in the Big Ten for them. There's Illinois, but I doubt that matches anywhere near to what Iowa State, Kansas, Nebraska and Oklahoma are for them. One other thing I didn't think about was stadium size. The smallest one is Northwestern's at just over 49,000. I doubt the Big Ten would want a team that has a smaller stadium than that. So you can probably already rule out Cincinnati (35,000) and Louisville (42,000) unless part of the deal is either gets an expansion to the stadium. Since Pitt and Temple play at NFL stadiums, I'd imagine stadium size wouldn't be a problem for either. The rivalry thing mentioned for Missouri may be part of what keeps Pitt in the Big East. Though, if rivalries were everything, Penn State would have joined the Big East (Pitt, Syracuse, Temple[at the time], Virginia Tech[at the time] and West Virginia) and not the Big Ten (Ohio State and...um...Michigan? and...um...yeah) in the 90s. |
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| PSUSyr5 | Monday Feb 1 2010, 08:24 PM Post #10 |
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Rumor has it Pitt will move to the Big Ten. The Big Ten and Pitt have each denied the rumors, so take it as you will. |
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