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Topic Started: Jul 30 2017, 10:02 PM (381 Views)
Joel
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I've been enjoying watching everyone play. Seems that Julie is a flip flopper??

Zeke and Todd need to keep winning I feel.

Zeke / Todd
Diane / Rudy
Julie

Julie looks like she's going to have to make a choice... if ZTDR are in a F4...and Julie is the next boot....one of those duos need to pull her in and make a F3 because it would give them a better chance to make the FTC. I see Rudy pulling her in to take out TZ.
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Sierra,Aug 15 2017
11:43:50 PM
You're stuck with me again now dude!

So I might as well feed you.

:D

And yeah, you should know by now, short as our alliance was,
I never betrayed you.

HAHAHA! I only said that in the moment because I thought that you'd voted me out :lol: I have no hard feelings and was really hoping you'd go on a winning streak! I'm sad that you're here but excited at the same time because you're part of the fun pact! :D

Oh, and I brought you something...enjoy!! ;)

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Joel,Aug 16 2017
09:27:27 AM
I've been enjoying watching everyone play. Seems that Julie is a flip flopper??

Zeke and Todd need to keep winning I feel.

Zeke / Todd
Diane / Rudy
Julie

Julie looks like she's going to have to make a choice... if ZTDR are in a F4...and Julie is the next boot....one of those duos need to pull her in and make a F3 because it would give them a better chance to make the FTC. I see Rudy pulling her in to take out TZ.

Yeah, Julie appears to be the one playing both sides of the fence, and she's doing a great job of it. Her game excites me. I'm having a hard time understanding Zeke and Todd's strategic game, because it seems that Julie is calling the shots and they are ending up on the right side of the numbers. If I were in Julie's shoes, I would try to take out whichever of Zeke or Todd don't win immunity tomorrow, because it's clear that they are both gonna be threats for the final immunity challenge. I wouldn't be surprised to see Julie in the final three with Rudy and Diane if Todd and Zeke don't win the next challenges.
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I agree, Ozzy, and with what Joel said, too. One duo will want to bring in Julie to take out the other, but the thing is, while Rudy will want to be that majority...he hasn't won any immunities while Z/T have been clean sweeping the heck out of them. (except for the one I won, toot toot.) haha sorry. Anyway, unless Rudy can get lucky enough to have a challenge only he can win next time, then he may use Julie for majority to vote whichever one of Z/T doesn't win the next challenge, and then flip on her after that assuming it's a final 3. If it's not, and I'm Rudy...I'm praying whichever of T/Z is left doesn't win the final immunity and taking Diane to final 2.

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hahaha Ozzie, you know the way to my heart.

cats and bacon!
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I will probably cover a lot more of this when I answer Brobst's questions (and any questions you guys have too, please feel free to ask wherever!) and I am in a hurry and typing this as I think !!!

but...

as for where things stand with those Final 5.

Diane and Rudy are a pair.
Todd and Zeke are a pair.
Julie and Todd are a pair.
Julie, Diane, & Rudy were a threesome at one point, (maybe a foursome with Adam) but somewhere during the game Julie decided her allegiance to Todd was stronger.
I don't know if that happened before or after she was part of Team Pink (are you really a part of something if you are a double/triple/quadruple? agent?! )


I knew from the beginning of her alliance with Rudy and Diane.
But I thought that after Rudy and Diane switched to Dublin after (the whole thing with Dave and Adam went down) that Julie would want to stay with Cirie, Brooke, Amanda and me (Sierra) because we had the numbers.

I worked super hard to keep those numbers together while she was picking and pecking at our seams from the inside.

When we merged, I thought that bringing in Ozzie was a wonderful thing because Amanda and Brooke both seemed really tight with Ozzie and from the little I spoke to him pre-merge I liked him. (or ermmm, like You , Ozzie, since I guess this is in your thread! :D )

At that point I still wasn't sure about Cirie and if I could trust her since I hadn't gottten to speak with her much yet, but I thought that Julie was With us and we would have the numbers for sure.

For the longest time I thought that Julie was Rudy's henchman. That Julie took out Ozzie because Rudy wanted her to. (and I find it interesting that she told Brooke something different than she told me about Ozzie... Julie showed me a quote of an exchange between Ozzie and Rudy where Ozzie was asking Rudy if they could "work together") At the time, my first thought was, "why is RUDY sending this to you if you are with Team Pink?!
But at that point I was just trying to survive as long as I could by trying to piece my alliance back together and I Needed Julie for the numbers to work.

Then Julie played the same tactics to get Amanda and Brooke to doubt Cirie. Again at that point, I was hoping we could stick together and patch things up so we could keep the numbers. and Again I thought that Rudy was the one behind it.

So I kept making it my mission to get rid of Rudy as the biggest Strategic threat
and Todd as the biggest Challenge Threat.

What I didn't know was that Julie's first alliance and allegiance was to Todd.
As Julie herself said to me many times, she was "playing the middle ground" leaving her options open. But I am not really sure if she WAS playing the middle ground or was doing everything she could to get herself and Todd to the end. I used to think that Julie was Rudy's henchman but it seems as more is revealed and watching the moves Julie makes that it has always been Todd. Whether he will follow through and take her to the Final 2 or 3? I wouldn't if I were him. He was and is a challenge threat but Julie played the "I'm doing it for us in the long run" game like a master.


In that last round Rudy, Julie, Diane and I were ready to take out Zeke to split up that pair.
It was Rudy and Diane's best interest to split them up and Julie was probably wanting to do the same since she wants to take Zeke away from Todd so that Julie can take his place.

But Zeke won immunity. Rudy then wanted to take out Todd as the Challenge threat and of course that had been my plan all along so I was fine with that. But Diane and Julie are both protecting Todd as I think they Both think he will take them to the end.

So there was no way we would have enough votes to take out Todd.
I tried a last second effort to turn the tables on Julie since I knew she was going to vote for me and had chosen Todd over me again again.

But I am guessing Rudy and Diane didn't want to risk a split vote since they knew that Todd, Zeke, and Julie were all voting for me.

So, here I am!
:D
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Brooke
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That explains a lot, and creeps me out a little, too. It also explains why Todd almost completely stopped talking to me, and sent Zeke to "check in" instead...

Just thinking how she was really playing the whole time when I thought she was genuine at least, I get it's a game and the point is survival (and she's absolutely doing that) but man...

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Brooke
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Aww, I found this little dude to make me happy again! All better.

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Sierra,Aug 16 2017
01:29:30 PM
For the longest time I thought that Julie was Rudy's henchman. That Julie took out Ozzie because Rudy wanted her to. (and I find it interesting that she told Brooke something different than she told me about Ozzie... Julie showed me a quote of an exchange between Ozzie and Rudy where Ozzie was asking Rudy if they could "work together") At the time, my first thought was, "why is RUDY sending this to you if you are with Team Pink?!

I don't recall asking Rudy to work together...if I did, I said it to try to keep him at bay. I *think* that I know the message that she's talking about. After Bubba was voted out, I was under the impression that Joel was going and Rudy had been decided as the backup if he won immunity, and I told Rudy that I'd let him know what was going on...so I told him, and that apparently backfired against me, but I thought that I should try to make some amends if I were hoping to try to vote the same way for a couple rounds. Lesson learned!
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Ozzie, I don't think it backfired on you.
I think Julie had planned to vote you out to make her other alliance stronger.
I think she sent me that quote after the fact to try and prove that she did it to "save Team Pink" and that she was "actually doing it FOR us" in her words.

But yes, it was an actual strategy to use others words against them in a "let's you and him fight"

as demonstrated again by what Julie shared with Brooke and Amanda about what she said Cirie was saying to Rudy.


Again, I thought that Rudy was behind that strategy... He might have been, or it might have been Julie all along.

After she voted Brooke out, Julie said something to the effect of
"Brooke was not all sweetness and light and she wanted you and Amanda gone"



then she also threw in "Brooke found the secret advantage and never told you even though she knew you were looking for it"

(ARGGGG okay, That one hurt a bit because I spent countless hours clicking those damned shamrocks, tabbing through them, looking at source code... It would have saved me a bunch of time to quit looking!)
the only thing I responded to Julie about that was, "that's weird. if she found it, why didn't she use it?"
I figured out once I got here and started reading threads, it was because Brooke truly thought she was safe that vote and was completely blindsided!

But after that I knew that Amanda and I were in trouble and that there was no way I could really trust Julie again.

But if you guys (Ozzie, Joel, Cirie, & Brooke) are wondering why Amanda and I still voted for Rudy on the next vote, it was because it was the only thing I could think of that would save BOTH Amanda and I. If we could get Julie or Zeke to vote with us against Rudy then we would have enough votes to both stay. Splitting the vote like they did wouldn't have worked because Rudy would have been the one with 3 votes, not Amanda or I, so it wouldn't matter who Brooke gave the secret advantage to. Then we would deal with Julie later.

That was actually the first time in this entire game where I outright lied. I went to Rudy and Diane and told them that Amanda and I were pissed at Julie for what she did to Brooke (that part was True!) and that we were going to vote for Julie. (when we were going to vote for Rudy instead)
Then I told Julie and Zeke that we were voting for Rudy, (which was true) but telling Rudy and Diane that we were voting for Julie (which I did tell them) hoping one or both of them would choose to vote with us rather than against us.

But Rudy told Julie that I said I was voting for her so she told me later she panicked and voted for Amanda.

I replied that I had Told her I was going to tell Rudy I was voting for her, even though I wasn't going to. and she said, "oh. I missed that part in such a hurry, I went back and looked at it, you are right, I am sorry."

Hmmm, Maybe. Or maybe she really just wanted us gone so I would stop targeting Todd.

Anyway, I think that catches everyone up on it from my point of view.

I am not Mad at any of them, they played the game well and did what they felt they needed to so they could Survive.

But I will be very interested to see who shows up here next!


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Wow, Julie will say anything...

The part about the advantage is true, and I'm sorry I didn't tell you, that was dumb. I only ever told Ozzy and Julie about that stuff. I trusted her way too much, but she started getting weird with me back on l limerick and made an excuse for everything that happened that didn't sit right w me. I feel pretty silly now, but she is playing dirty. Idk what part of me telling her I wanted the boys gone f8 to f6 means I was trying to get you and Amanda out.
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Brooke,

Can you tell me which shamrock it was that you clicked on? LOL...

To me...it seems that maybe Julie is the master strategist in the game...she seems to be amazing at pitting people against each other to hide and find herself moving forward. She's with Todd....but she's also a number for Rudy/Diane.... she looks to be playing a great game..

in MY eyes...she should take this chance and vote out Todd/Zeke next because I feel her best chance is with Rudy and Diane.
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Brooke,Aug 16 2017
01:19:56 AM
Sierra! I'm sad you're here, but not shocked :( still sad though. Let's open a cat cafe!!! <3 seems Julie flipped hard. I am surprised Todd didn't win that, but he is trading immunities w zeke lately huh? Can we compete along with the challenges in the jury house? That was a fun one.

Yeah, I am bummed but if I have to be here at least it is in Great Company!
A cat cafe sounds fun! I ant wait to kick back a bit after I get all of these questions answered.
Then time to eat, rink, and PLAY!!,

And yeah, doing the challenges without the nerves would be great!
All of the challenges have been fun, but I hate that I and my desktop computer are so damnned Slowewwwwwwww!
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Sierra
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And yes Brooke!!
Which thread contained the mythical shamrocks?!

I am just glad that there actually were some and that I was just late to find them (what else is new?) rather than just on a snipe hunt!
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Brooke,Aug 16 2017
06:23:28 PM
Wow, Julie will say anything...

The part about the advantage is true, and I'm sorry I didn't tell you, that was dumb. I only ever told Ozzy and Julie about that stuff. I trusted her way too much, but she started getting weird with me back on l limerick and made an excuse for everything that happened that didn't sit right w me. I feel pretty silly now, but she is playing dirty. Idk what part of me telling her I wanted the boys gone f8 to f6 means I was trying to get you and Amanda out.

Brooke,
I went back and checked. I misspoke.
Julie didn't say that you wanted me and Amanda out.
She said you wanted me and Zeke out.

And said that you were never Team Pink you were always Team Brooke.


I like to think All of us were both TeamPink And Team Ourselves.

Obviously the game is Survivor and ultimately you want Yourself to be the one to get to the end.

It's the How you get there that varies!

And Julie's way is interesting and might just work.
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Wow! Very interesting info, Sierra. I think Julie bonded with Todd the night before Ozzy got voted out. I know she was strategizing with him the night before. I find it surprising that she developed such a close bond with him in such a short time.

I never did understand why she wanted you/ozzy out so bad. She gave me the same reasoning, that you were going to turn on limerick and you were planning to jump sides. I figured you probably had some plans moving forward and werent gonna just take limerick to the final 6 to then possibly go out first ya know? Lol. Everyone i would hope is talking to everyone and copy/pasting conversations didnt sit well with me either. That should have been a huge red flag for me about Julie, but i never saw how it would benefit her to get rid of me. But that was before i knew she had alliances with literally everyone. Lol

Yes, she is indeed playing a masterful but dirty game. It is definitely interesting and exciting. The old school survivor fan in me doesnt want to ignore the part where you need to get the people you voted out to vote for you in the end, where how you get to the end is as important as just getting there. I guess we will see if she gets there first. Lol

I love the cat and bacon pic! My two favorite things! Is the cat cafe open? Ill have to check!
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