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Topic Started: Aug 20 2017, 07:45 PM (152 Views)
Brooke
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That's fair. Makes it really confusing though, if that's true, why you'd say you'd vote for Diane to win. How you just said that makes it sound like she's just being directed and isn't thinking on her own at all, but everyone else has visibly worked really hard in one way or another. It will all come down to final tribal and if she makes it there, what she tells us. I really want to hear from her about everything, because she's such a puzzle to me.
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Brooke,Aug 20 2017
09:51:12 PM
That's fair. Makes it really confusing though, if that's true, why you'd say you'd vote for Diane to win. How you just said that makes it sound like she's just being directed and isn't thinking on her own at all, but everyone else has visibly worked really hard in one way or another. It will all come down to final tribal and if she makes it there, what she tells us. I really want to hear from her about everything, because she's such a puzzle to me.

You must not have carefully read my last post to your question. I said my vote was undecided and it would come down to answers to questions. Playing this game is not all about big moves. It's about the right moves to get to the end.
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Brooke
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Sorry I didn't mean that like it was set in stone, it was something you did say, but I don't think any of us believe that you would be unfair and you're absolutely right.
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Brooke,Aug 20 2017
09:55:45 PM
Sorry I didn't mean that like it was set in stone, it was something you did say, but I don't think any of us believe that you would be unfair and you're absolutely right.

And to be absolutely crystal clear what i said was:

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I'm not the petty bitter juror type but if she brings Diane to the end, she'll probably lose.


How that was construed as I was voting for her I don't know. Julie has burned a lot of bridges and she should have a lot of 'splaining to do before everyone just hands her the title of sole Survivor. I expect us all to ask very tough questions to both Julie and Diane if they are the Final two just as I would if it is Julie/Todd or Todd/Diane.
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Brooke
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I'm not sure how else to say that that wasn't what I meant. I don't believe that you have decided on anyone, please don't take it that way. Poor choice of words on my part, it must be a full moon, but if we can get past the wording, my point was just that I didn't see her as a strong player, and my question to you was if Diane and Julie (or Diane and literally anyone honestly) were to be sitting next to each other in the end, and you DID vote for Diane, what the reason would be at that point just then when I asked. That's how I took the conversation and to then hear you say that Diane just does what Julie tells her and didn't vote Zeke for reasons of her own contradicts how you were talking her up the other night, which made me happy for her that she was playing a good game behind the scenes, rather than not much like I assumed just because I didn't know enough.

Anyway, that's all I meant. I never thought that you had decided on anyone, we're all in the same boat together, gathering information heading into the final and getting our questions together. There's no one in this game at any point that would have had an easy ride to a win, you're 100% correct there. :)
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Hahaha. I'm a stickler for semantics LOL. No worries. I'm just trying to get to clarity for the other jury members that read our exchanges.

When I say Julie is controlling the game that means she is convincing everyone that the vote they want to make is their own idea even if she first tells them the vote they want to make. She doesn't actually tell anyway. she discusses until they make the right decision. I guarantee you she has solid reasons for Diane to vote for Zeke if Diane appears to want to go off the reservation. What she may say could be patently false but they will believe her regardless.

The point I was trying to make is from another perspective Diane has been playing an admirable game even if it has not been filled with big moves. Todd and Diane are actually on par with each other and their games have both been very different from Julie's but they all three made it to F3.

The things I have said about Julie controlling the game are my interpretations and is not an advocacy for her. I have strong misgivings about how she has betrayed so many people along the way. She still has to prove that she is actually more worthy than whoever is her remaining opponent at the end.
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Brooke
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It's been a very very long day and I'm admittedly probably a little grouchy, so I'm sorry if I came off wrong.

BUT, after all that, it seems we're in total agreement there. It did sound like many of your statements for one person or another were in support of them rather than just talking points, but then that's the trouble with reading words and not hearing them. It's a tricky dance, but you're an excellent partner and I'll dance with you any time <3
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Likewise cara mia. Then dance we shall! I think it may be a few more minutes before Zeke shows up.

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It looks like Zeke bailed and went straight to his hut for some shuteye. Thanks for the dance Sweet Cheeks. You definitely are an excellent partner. Shall we hit the lights and make our own exit?
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Brooke
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One more dance and I'll be ready for sleep ;)

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Interesting twist.
Actually I think the power just switched to Diane.

I think both Todd and Julie want to take Diane to the final 2.
I don't think Todd and Julie are loyal enough to each other to risk handing over the title to the other.

I think both Julie and Todd think they can beat Diane in the Final 2.

Therefore I believe Julie and Todd will vote each other out, making the only vote that matters,
Diane's.

So Diane will get to choose who she sits next to at the Final 2.

I really am not sure which way she will go.
She might want to sit next to Julie hoping that with Julie putting so many of us here, we will vote for Diane.
Or Diane may want to sit next to Todd and discuss how Todd won the challenges but didn't do much else strategically that she didn't also do. And how she ended up in the final two without Needing to win challenges. .

But I could be completely wrong and there will be a round robin at which point what?
They have to draw rocks?

Regardless, it will be fun to watch !
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Hey guys! sorry i missed the party last night. I fell asleep early and never woke back up so i guess i needed some extra shut eye. That looks like a super cool challenge and i cant wait to try it on a desktop. Its kinda disappointing that it was essentially a guarantee that no one would win with the 60 second thing. And additionally with no immunity for the final 3 round!

I had figured immunity would be a major influencer in how the game plays out from here and also why i have been so surprised that todd and zeke have not been targeted until now with them being such immunity beasts. It seems this makes the path for julie to get to the end much easier without immunity to maneuver around.

IMO all have played masterfully, albeit with different styles. Thats what makes this game so intriguing. Theres a lot to consider, including challenge performence, info that trickles in with each new arrival, final tribal council performence etc. etc. I will definitely be looking at all facets as we go along.

I think we are on the same page Rudy. I think Julie has played a great strategic game, but one facet she has completely ignored is the jury. Getting to the end playing a loyal game is something I really respect and in many cases, requires as much skill or more than playing a deceitful game. Again, this is just one aspect to consider. I expect Todd to be joining us next but we will have to see. I think all 3 players remaining have a shot at the title, depending on how everything unfolds. Theres still a bit of game left to examine yet.

From my experiences with Diane, she has definitely played a very deliberate, thoughtful and mostly loyal game which i greatly respect. I really dont know much about Todd's game so Im looking forward to zeke shedding some light about his experiences playing with him. In my interactions with him, he seemed very friendly and easy to talk to and he seems to be playing a very intelligent game, similar to Diane.

It really could go any way for me at this point, which makes this game so interesting and exciting!
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Sierra
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Nice analysis Cirie!
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It will be intriguing. Can't wait for Wednesday to see how it falls out!
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Sierra,Aug 20 2017
11:54:45 PM
Interesting twist.
Actually I think the power just switched to Diane.

I think both Todd and Julie want to take Diane to the final 2.
I don't think Todd and Julie are loyal enough to each other to risk handing over the title to the other.

I think both Julie and Todd think they can beat Diane in the Final 2.

Therefore I believe Julie and Todd will vote each other out, making the only vote that matters,
Diane's.

So Diane will get to choose who she sits next to at the Final 2.

I really am not sure which way she will go.
She might want to sit next to Julie hoping that with Julie putting so many of us here, we will vote for Diane.
Or Diane may want to sit next to Todd and discuss how Todd won the challenges but didn't do much else strategically that she didn't also do. And how she ended up in the final two without Needing to win challenges. .

But I could be completely wrong and there will be a round robin at which point what?
They have to draw rocks?

Regardless, it will be fun to watch !

OMG Sierra- You are in my brain!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Get out! LOL
This is exactly what was going on. I did have that power - but, after pleading with Todd - the power was really in his hands. After getting his obligatory thanks for reaching out to me, let me think about it....there wasn't any other PM to me...he had made his choice & decided not to be up front about it..

SO, I decided to stay with Julie and vote out Todd- thinking I'd use the ammunition that she screwed over most of you and never stayed loyal, which was my approach. I also felt if Julie did vote out Todd - he might respect me more that I went out of my comfort zone and took a risk with him in hopes he would communicate with you that I was playing my own game.

At this point, I'm really hoping Todd bring some clarity to his game. He's a giant mystery to me.
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Cirie,Aug 21 2017
11:29:29 AM

From my experiences with Diane, she has definitely played a very deliberate, thoughtful and mostly loyal game which i greatly respect. I really dont know much about Todd's game so Im looking forward to zeke shedding some light about his experiences playing with him. In my interactions with him, he seemed very friendly and easy to talk to and he seems to be playing a very intelligent game, similar to Diane.

Thank you, Cirie.
I was working on jury management as soon as I hit the merge. I do think Julie felt as if whoever she took to FTC she'd be sitting with someone who would follow her lead, making it as if she outshined the other player- no matter who it was. If Zeke would have won immunity at F4- Todd would have been voted out, not me.
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