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War on "Terror"
Topic Started: Sep 23 2006, 10:31 AM (678 Views)
Mars
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This is it, the big thread.

As you know the allied forces have been fighting in Iraq for several years. There are also smaller numbers of troops in Afghanistan.

This is for serious discussion on your opinion of the events that are taking place now, and have taken place on the war front in the past.

Disagree, agree, your opinion will be respected and well, argued against. (code for flame). Remember people, no one liners of "Bush sucks." DETAILED CONVERSATIONS. If you can't handle it, that's fine. Go play on the SPAM thread. (Which rocks).

I'd give my opinion but I am leaving right this second, so keep it clean.
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Hahah. Mars, creating a serious thread, *sigh*, finaly!

I would like to open with teh aproximate US military budget in Iraq.

$80+ [conservative estimate] million US a week. Over a 4 [or three?] year period. Do the maths. But the money surely cant ALL be going to the troops, hell most of them didnt have proper body armour at the start of the war, and most of them are doing their third year in the war. So where IS the money going?

Weapons of mass destruction? What weapons of mass destruction? Oh the hundreds of nucleur warheads stocked by the US?

War for oil? Probably not, oil production and prices have just5 gotten worse since the war started.

Seniour Bush had some brains in him, he knew if he attacked Iraq it would go on for ages, blowing budgets etc. Unlike his idiotic son, like his father before him.

George got the seat of the president because his dad pulled strings, and has kept it through FEAR.

Hell, the majority of Americans DONT vote, so where IS the democracy in the war against 'terror'? The one thats made terrorist attacks rise since it started?

Mars, type your opinion. Even if your late foo! otherwise ill end up talking to myself.
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lumpy
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Sep 23 2006, 10:34 PM
So where IS the money going?

Perhaps to pull the United States out of an $8+ Trillion debt?

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War for oil? Probably not, oil production and prices have just5 gotten worse since the war started.


Of course not. The US government isn't even affiliated with the oil companies other than throwing taxes at citizens for buying gasoline from them. The "oil crisis" is just a bunch of bullshit that greedy investors have been nagging the oil companies' CEOs to fabricate so they can stuff their pockets with our hard-earned money.

And technically, there are two wars in the middle east. The war on terror and the war in Iran (though it's more of a political battle) to keep them from obtaining the means for nuclear energy in fear of the creation of nuclear weapons.

I have more to add, but I'm too busy to post it right now.
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lumpys right... the gas prices are, if anything, an effect of the war.


personally, after watch loose change, i think that it was wrong to do this in the first place

i dont think we should be fighting someone else's war, dieing for someone elses cause.. its okay to step in if they treaten the world.

and there are easier ways to pay off 8 trillion dollar debt, lumpy... like selling alaska. lol

thats pretty much what i have to say, i have looked up alot of stuff; i hardly have time... but i still have an opinion on some stuff... i eagerly await you guys getting more time to post.
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lumpy
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Sep 26 2006, 11:42 AM
lumpys right... the gas prices are, if anything, an effect of the war.

I reccomend you re-read my post. It's not a direct effect, the oil companies are trying to make it look that way for an excuse to raise prices, but it really isn't.

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i dont think we should be fighting someone else's war


In what way is this someone else's war? All bush is doing is trying to put a democratic government in Iraq just so he can keep our troops stationed there. Iraq would be much better left off on their own because our interference with their affairs will only lead to the deaths of more and more Iraqis. They are the targets because they are turning democratic, the last thing Saddam loyalists and anarchists want. Loose change did bring up some interesting points, but we are still in the war as we speak. Was the war unjustified? Probably. Did we notice all this 9/11 conspiracy crap right off the bat? No, not immediately. We need to concentrate on the present, dealing with the war in the Middle east issue before we complain to the government about all the people it killed on 9/11 and whether it was staged solely on making the War in the middle east seem the right thing to do.

The 8 trillion dollar debt is insignificant next to this issue. And selling Alaska would mean America will be giving up 663,267 square miles of precious wildlife preservation areas so some other country can tear them down and make us pay for the oil they harvest from it.
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Sep 26 2006, 08:03 AM
not a direct effect, the oil companies are trying to make it look that way for an excuse to raise prices, but it really isn't.

i know i said IF ANYTHING, meaning it is not really that at all...

i know they arent direct, and my alaska joke was just that, a joke.


and about someone elses war, it is my opinion we dont need to help them set up a democracy
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Sep 27 2006, 11:25 AM
a nice post.... and i agree with most of it.

i watched loose change, and found it was mostly pointless crap that restated stuff over and over again, going way too far with some of their leads... some of it was good stuff though, BUT VERY LITTLE.  i will read the article when i have more time, mars.


i agree mars, we should have never gone into iraq... MAYBE afganistan, i really dont know, but not iraq.

Afghanistan was just a stress relief to show the people that the government was pissed. Nothing came out of Afghanistan apart from blowing the hell through the Taliban (relatively unrelated group) and a few boring cave adventures.
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i never really follow up on any of this news stuff, but i do keep tabs on major stuff, so your input is really all i have, lol.

but going into iraq seems so stupid in my head. someone tell me in not insane what i ask, what is bush doing?
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Sep 27 2006, 03:00 PM
i never really follow up on any of this news stuff, but i do keep tabs on major stuff, so your input is really all i have, lol.

but going into iraq seems so stupid in my head. someone tell me in not insane what i ask, what is bush doing?

Clutching at straws.
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Sep 27 2006, 03:00 PM
what is bush doing?

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c. all of the above
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After watching a documentary on 9/11 or 11/9, I believe that the US were indeed right in sending forces to the Middle East. I mean seriously you must take action and rid the Taliban. And this is what the allied forces did and are doing. As Mars always says, commit an evil to rid a greater evil
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What happened in Afghanistan has been a collosal cock-up. We went in, shot the hell out of the place, got rid of the Taliban. But like a weed, if you don't firmly uproot it, a few weeks down the road it'll spring back, more pissed off than ever. Now that we've all had our watchful eye on the gigantic mistake that is Iraq, the Taliban has come back into power and is now fighting our measly amount of soliders left there for the sake of it. Both those fights are wrong and should never have gone ahead. The true masterminds behind the tragic events of September 11th are either still at large or dead as a result of neither Iraq or Afghanistan.
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What i meant was that there intentions to go their were correct. Now what their doing down there (In our case up there) i have no idea so I cannot argue there.
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Wrong again.

If by "their" you mean the U.S. Government, definitely wrong. Their "intentions" are entirely different from what we hear, which is called "lies."

They invaded Afghanistan under the banner of destroying Al Queda via their alleged connections with the Afghani Taliban. The Taliban waved the finger so we crushed them. They popped back again and are now pillaging the country as usual.

Iraq was invaded for the purpose of destroying Weapons of Mass Destruction that the government claimed to have "irrefutible evidence" indicating their existence. Another dodgy reason was the toppling of Saddam Hussein, evil dictator and enemy of freedom. It didn't help that Iraq still had some weapons the US SUPPLIED THEM with to fight in the 80s. Bush said we had to nab Saddam, as he was clearly an evil terrorist.

The final result, as of today was: The capture of a dictator with no ties to Al Queda. The backwards "liberation" of a country now worse off than when engaged in dictatorship. Tons and tons of hatred from terrorist groups all around the world. Red faces from Bin Laden's smug videos, rubbing our faces in failure. Billions of dollars in debt and over SEVENTY THOUSAND CORPSES.
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