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Topic Started: Feb 24 2006, 12:15 AM (372 Views)
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I suuport the Patroit act too! If you dont talk terrorism on the phone or on the puter you got nothing to be worried about.The Patroit act and wiretapping is to track down sleeper cells who are trying to attack us again.Im telling you this much if we ever have another 9-11 style attack again on american soil you can bet our nuclear program will take off.
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Exactly, we can't cut those guys any slack or there'll be another 9-11. Bush is doing a good job.
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Its Liberals who think we should bow down to france and keep our civil liberties.The reason why we were attacked in the first place was because of bill clintons administration.He was so soft on the middle east. Get this,,On the first WTC Attack What did clinton do? NOTHING!!! The Attack on the US Embassy in Sudan What did clinton do? NOTHING!!! The Attack on the USS COLE What did clinton do? NOTHING!!! But remember clinton attacked kosovo and bosina? and milovich DIDNT EVEN HAVE WMDs!! What was the pupose on attacking kosovo and bosina? Milovich wasnt even a threat to the US or Britian.And get this Remember Kathleen Allbright catered to North Korea and tell them ,,Were give you food,Medicene if you promise not to build nuclear weapons. And Kim Jung said oh ok!!!! He was laughing at his feet while he still continue to build nuclear weapons. And now north Korea has them thanks to left wing liberal named bill clinton.Lets face it it.If John Kerry Won he would allow IRAN get away with building nuclear weapons.This is why we cant AFFORD the Democrats ever be in power again.Cause the world is at stake.
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Slobodan Milosevic was an ethnic cleanser (you know, like that Hitler fella). We helped stop him from wiping out an entire population from the face of the planet. The first WTC attacks planned by people living inside of Saudia Arabia (and most of the hijackers from 9/11 were also Saudis) but no U.S. President is going to mess with the Saudi Royal family. You're kidding yourself if you think Bush would have messed with them. And Republicans in the 80's are one of the reasons Iraq ended up the way it was. We allied ourselves with Hussein and Iraq against Iran (remember those videos of Rumsfeld shaking hands with Hussein around 1985?). The only weapons that Iraq had were ones that we had sold to them to use against Iran. I have no problem defending my political views, but to view the political world as "Liberals" and "Conservatives," is wrong. There are faults with both ends of the spectrum. But don't dismiss Clinton as being an idiot for defending a race of people against an inpending Holocaust. I'm frustrated with Clinton myself - he's one of the most intelligent Presidents we have ever had, there's no denying that. He just decided to use his brains on, shall we say, less productive endeavours.

Oh, and it was Madeline Albright.
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And jimmy carter was responsible for the uprising of JIHAD! Jimmy Carter gave weapons to osama bin laden to help beat the soviets when they invaded afgainstan.I Rather buy OIL from the SOVIETS then from OPEC.OPEC is manulplating the oil prices for PURE GREED. Lets face it if we let the soviets alone and let em do what they want we wouldnt had an 9-11 attack.And i blame the Left wing liberals who allowed terrorism to get stronger.The Red army wouldnt allow the muslims to preach their religion.Plus osama bin laden might been jailed,, imprisonment or even executed by the red army.Its Liberals who cant stand the russians just like JFK played fire games with em.Nixon had the right idea talk peace with russia and china.Liberals rather test china and the russians.If the USSR still exsisted today OPEC wouldnt be pushing for high oil prices cause the soviet union would be occupying all them arabic countries.
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And jimmy carter was responsible for the uprising of JIHAD!


You're kidding, right? Have you ever taken a course on Islamic history? Bin Laden didn't receive aid from the US until around 1983-84. Do you know who was president then? It wasn't Carter. The US, along with Pakistan, were funneling money into his "MAK" army to fight against the Soviets, but did it discreetly since it would open us up to attack from the USSR.

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OPEC is manulplating the oil prices for PURE GREED.


As opposed to our own Exxon/Mobil who recorded record profits this year despite soaring gas prices? That's greed. You have to understand that most of the Middle East is a frickin' desert. People lived miserable lives there until oil was discovered. It's their only natural resource, and have to maximize its value while it lasts. Capitalism at its finest, you might say. There is a Saudi expression: "My father rode a camel. I ride in a car. My son flies in a Jet. His son will ride a camel." They realize that oil isn't going to last forever and need get as much out of it while it's here. Don't blame OPEC. Blame people who drive SUV's.

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If the USSR still exsisted today OPEC wouldnt be pushing for high oil prices cause the soviet union would be occupying all them arabic countries.


Then why are oil prices so high now when WE are the ones occupying "all them arabic countries?"

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Lets face it if we let the soviets alone and let em do what they want we wouldnt had an 9-11 attack.


That is a completely absurd statement and you know it. I'm surprised that you as a conservative are arguing against Ronald Reagan. He certainly didn't "let Russia do what they want." HE was in charge when Bin Laden was being helped by the CIA. HE was in charge when we gave the Iraquis weapons they used against us in two different wars.
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At the time the above posts are talking, I don't believe (could be wrong) that Bin Laden was are enemy, and I don't think either sides thought otherwise. At the time the Soviets were a huge threat. Letting them do what they want the whole world would be over by now. They would have control of all of Asia and Europe in one huge Union. I'm sure the US wouldn't take it sitting down and control the rest of the Americas. It pretty much would have been chaos, probably a nuclear war which isn't good. So I wouldn't say at the time it was dumb to give the army Bin Laden was in help, I would say whatever made them hate us is the problem, which I believe is when we pushed Sadam back in 91.
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steveox,Feb 26 2006
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I suuport the Patroit act too! If you dont talk terrorism on the phone or on the puter you got nothing to be worried about.The Patroit act and wiretapping is to track down sleeper cells who are trying to attack us again.Im telling you this much if we ever have another 9-11 style attack again on american soil you can bet our nuclear program will take off.

You really don't see the potential for abuse in random wiretapping of American citizens?

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You really don't see the potential for abuse in random wiretapping of American citizens?

Its not random, and any abuse would be the same as if they were sitting next to you on a bus or something and overheard your conversation.
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You don't see it being used against political enemies? You don't see it being used during an election to gain insight into the opponent's plans and strategy? You don't think people do that sort of thing? Look up "Nixon" "Watergate" and "1972 re-election". Not to mention the government's fondness for "tracking" people they just don't like (i.e., Martin Luther King Jr., etc.).

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kyyankgrrl,Feb 27 2006
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You really don't see the potential for abuse in random wiretapping of American citizens?

Who is advocating random wiretapping of American citizens? Where in the Patriot act does it call for this random tapping?
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Does the "Patriot" Act prohibit random wiretapping? No. And the potential for abuse is mind-boggling.

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Does the "Patriot" Act prohibit random wiretapping? No. And the potential for abuse is mind-boggling.

Yes but the potential abusers are the employees at NSA and if they talk about what they hear they will be fired immediatly. I do see your point they could tap important Democratic figures, (almost every military and government agent is Republican), but again they can't tell anybody without putting their jobs and perhaps be crimally charged for abuse.
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Jeb Bush, G Dub, John McCain are all just as good as the other, they're all part of our "dynasty" I was talking about, the dems won't be in office for another 18 years or so.
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kyyankgrrl,Feb 27 2006
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Does the "Patriot" Act prohibit random wiretapping? No. And the potential for abuse is mind-boggling.

The Patriot Act does not allow random wiretapping, so that is not a problem with the Patriot Act. If someone were to disregard the law and randomly tap, he could as easily do it with or without the Pariot Act. So, bringing up the Patriot Act as though it could cause random tapping is specious.
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I was talking about, the dems won't be in office for another 18 years or so.

18 Sounds about right, but i don;t think Jeb will get in
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. Blame people who drive SUV's.

Then why dont congress introuduce a tax break for people who drive economic cars like NO TAXES on Small Cars but if you buy an SUV youll pay a 25% FEDERAL SALES TAX Thats 25% more than sticker price so you can build more bridges & roads.Plus Cut the GAS TAX then Only people who drive SUVs pay taxes.



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If the USSR still exsisted today OPEC wouldnt be pushing for high oil prices cause the soviet union would be occupying all them arabic countries.


Then why are oil prices so high now when WE are the ones occupying "all them arabic countries?"


Because we are a free nation.Communist Nations tell you what you can and cant do.Like if Soviets occupy those middle east nations OPEC wouldnt excist plus you cant pray to allah or read the koran cause the kremlin doesnt allow it.

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Lets face it if we let the soviets alone and let em do what they want we wouldnt had an 9-11 attack.


That is a completely absurd statement and you know it. I'm surprised that you as a conservative are arguing against Ronald Reagan. He certainly didn't "let Russia do what they want." HE was in charge when Bin Laden was being helped by the CIA. HE was in charge when we gave the Iraquis weapons they used against us in two different wars.


Nope Read it again,,Jimmy Carter gave weapons to osama bin laden not reagan.And if Soviets occupy all these arabic nations terrorist wouldnt be delvoping and Al Queda or islamic jihad wouldnt excisted cause the KGB would be executing every arab who partispates in illegal activies.
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So let me get this right.....Steveox, you're a hard-core Conservative praising the style of government Ronald Reagan dubbed the "Evil Empire"?

And for the record, the U.S. not only sold weapons to Iraq in the 80s, the U.S. ALSO sold weapons to IRAN....remember a little scandal called the Iran-Contra Affair? You know, we sold weapons to IRAN and funnelled the money to TERRORISTS (the Contras) seeking to overthrow the Nicaraguan government. How noble.

Stop blaming everything on liberals. Republicans have occupied the White House for 18 of the past 26 years. So if you think this world is so messed up, you need to look in the mirror.
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