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9/11 tape released
Topic Started: May 16 2006, 01:09 PM (1,524 Views)
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Please stay on topic and don't flame. Thank you.
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My uncle works in Washington DC. He could actually feel his building shake when it happened. He was evacuated, and he could see people running away from the Pentagon. When he asked one of them what happened, they said that a plane just flew into the Pentagon. Are we just supposed to forget about the eye witness accounts of people like this?
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I saw this slide show a long time ago of the Pentagon attacks. Not sure if anyone seen it but it made me believe there was no plane. In one of the images there is a perfect circle in the one of the walls. Now a plane can't do that. And it shows the lawn in front of the pentagon it's perfect. Now no way a plane could fly that low without hitting the grass. There is a lot more in it also. If I find it I will post it here.

Edit: This is what I was talking about. Pentagon Attack
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goredsox1211,May 17 2006
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I saw this slide show a long time ago of the Pentagon attacks. Not sure if anyone seen it but it made me believe there was no plane. In one of the images there is a perfect circle in the one of the walls. Now a plane can't do that. And it shows the lawn in front of the pentagon it's perfect. Now no way a plane could fly that low without hitting the grass. There is a lot more in it also. If I find it I will post it here.

Edit: This is what I was talking about. Pentagon Attack

Anybody can make up fake quotes and pretend they know what happens when a plane hits a building.

Oh yeah, if this was some government conspiracy why would Osama Bin Laden say he did it?
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Even in the face of incontrovertible evidence....wow. :blink:
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And what about Loose Change. Are we supposed to believe a plane crashed in that hole in Penn? (Flight 93)

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-5...&q=loose+change
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eye95,May 17 2006
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Even in the face of incontrovertible evidence....wow. :blink:

Where is your evidence? You have typed what you believed. Show me these logs. They are presenting more evidence than I have seen you presenting.
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natefizzle,May 17 2006
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goredsox1211,May 17 2006
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I saw this slide show a long time ago of the Pentagon attacks. Not sure if anyone seen it but it made me believe there was no plane. In one of the images there is a perfect circle in the one of the walls. Now a plane can't do that. And it shows the lawn in front of the pentagon it's perfect. Now no way a plane could fly that low without hitting the grass. There is a lot more in it also. If I find it I will post it here.

Edit: This is what I was talking about. Pentagon Attack

Anybody can make up fake quotes and pretend they know what happens when a plane hits a building.

Oh yeah, if this was some government conspiracy why would Osama Bin Laden say he did it?

Yeah I was thinking the quotes were fake too. But the images aren't. They freeze the vid at one point and it does look like a object larger than a missle. But I want to know about the perfect hole!
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I can't believe we are even arguing about this.
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Element,May 17 2006
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Where is your evidence? You have typed what you believed. Show me these logs. They are presenting more evidence than I have seen you presenting.

What evidence have you posted?? You have posted the classic "evidence" of conspiracy-theorists: questions. The passenger manifests are a matter of public record. The take-offs (and lack of landings) of the crashed flights are a matter of public record.

Sorry, but I am out of this convo. I will lose all respect for those who push wacko conspiracy theories if I continue to read those posts!
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Element,May 17 2006
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Where is your evidence? You have typed what you believed. Show me these logs. They are presenting more evidence than I have seen you presenting.

What are you Dale Gribble all of a sudden?

I don't see why anyone needs evidence that the series of events took place on 9/11.
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Because I don't see a plane in any of these pictures, and they weren't airbrushed out...

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Miller was among the very first to arrive after 10:06 on the magnificently sunny morning of September 11. He was stunned at how small the smoking crater looked, he says, "like someone took a scrap truck, dug a 10-foot ditch and dumped all this trash into it."


And what about WTC-7? That was a free fall.

The truth is out there, and I don't think our government is telling us what it is, whatever it is.

You know how easily they could quite all these theories? Show the full tape from the top of the hotel, the people working in the hotel knows it showed the whole thing...

Eye, I haven't seen these records, care to post them. The evidence I posted was Loose Change video, some very good points, Also the link goredsox1211 posted.
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If i am correct the Pentagon is 5 or 6 stroies tall. If i am futher correct the plane hit where third story about? When a plane crashes it usally breaks up into pieces plus the roof caved in over it.
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What about this....

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I'll help you out by posting an anti-conspiracy theory thread...
http://perspectives.com/forums/view_topic....um_id=87&page=1

They claim it was a landing gear, which could be possible, but I think a missile going through the 3 rings of the pentagon is much more possible than a landing gear...


Only a theory, but the fact remains that we don't know for sure what really happened.
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why would the government do this, i mean the Twins Towers can't be a fake. Why do this what happened to all the people that where on the plan did the government kill them? what about the airport where they in on it?
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Well this site has a lot I never seen yet. A lot of plane debris. Pentagon

I don't know what or who to believe.
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goredsox1211,May 18 2006
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I don't know what or who to believe.

Right now it is very up in the air. I could go either way. The only thing I disagree with it believing that it was a terrorist attack 'because the government said so'.
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goredsox1211,May 18 2006
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Well this site has a lot I never seen yet. A lot of plane debris. Pentagon

I don't know what or who to believe.

Just do your own research. The manifests are out there--with the hijackers on them. Photos from other angles are out there, not just ones focusing on a single hole and captioned with typical conspiracy theory "proof": a silly question.

Unfortunately, wacko conspiracy theories are "fun" to some, regardless of how toying with 9/11 affects others, so the Internet is full of this bilge. However, if you look hard enough, rational compilations of true and verifiable facts make the truth easy to see.

Just remember, questions are not proof.
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eye95,May 18 2006
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Just remember, questions are not proof.

Yeah, but there is no way you can prove beyond a doubt that a hijacked plane hit the pentagon w/o video evidence. (Just like you can't prove that the conspiracy theories are right, but it is something to consider)
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No one can prove ANYTHING beyond a doubt. Can you prove the holocaust beyond a doubt? No. But, it happened. The standard of proof you are requiring for what obviously happened is ridiculous. Yet, the standard of proof you are putting forth is to ask silly questions like asking what made one single hole when bodies lie beneath the rubble thousands of times the size of that one, insignificant hole.

We have enough first-hand information about what happened on 9/11 so that any reasonable person knows what happened. Try to go to Ted Olson and tell him that his wife didn't die in the plane that crashed into the Pentagon. I hope he wouldn't deck you.

Anyway, I shouldn't have re-entered this discussion. I won't return this time. The only further reaction I can have to it would be completely uncivil. I have already removed some ugly things I had said in this post. So, I'm gone, now, while there is a speck of respect left.
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