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Deadbeat dads
Topic Started: Jun 21 2006, 07:32 PM (839 Views)
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Why is dads always added to the end of deadbeat? Why not mothers.

Fact - 10% of fathers in washington don't pay child support they have to pay.
Fact - 80% of mothers in washington don't pay child support they have to pay.

Deadbeat dads? I think not.


Why I'm I pissed about this? Look up 'child support' on Wikipedia. I got the link right here.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Child_support
Go to the section on "Dead-beat" parents. Notice on how under that it says Main article: Deadbeat dad

That just pisses me off.

http://www.geocities.com/capitolHill/5910/.../Deadbeats1.pdf

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Overwhelmingly it is mothers, not fathers, who are walking
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“By allowing a faithless wife to keep her children
and a sizable portion of her former spouse’s
income,” writes Bryce Christensen, “current child-support
laws have combined with no-fault jurisprudence to convert
wedlock into snare for many guiltless men.”


Child support is so corrupt it isn't even funny.

Guess how much Washington State made in PROFIT from child support last year? This is profit, as in with all the expenses paid.

$9 MILLION

That is unacceptable. And nothing will be done about it until people say something about it. Perry Manley was one of those people. He died for his cause. He called out the Washington state courts. Everytime, he was right, the court said he was right, but they always dismissed his case. Then he called out Judge Zilly. And Judge Zilly dismissed a claim against himself! Is that even legal?

This is unbelievable.

RIP Perry Manley. Killed one year ago yesterday.
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Why is dads always added to the end of deadbeat? Why not mothers.


Because it FITS.

Newsflash: It's a heckuva lot easier to cut a check ONCE A MONTH than raising a kid 24/7. Men would know that if they ever had custody of their kids. But you know what? When men DO have their kids, they dump them on their own mother, sister, girlfriend, female neighbor, etc.

Answer me this: Have you ever heard a woman refer to "babysitting" HER OWN KIDS? Men say that crap ALL the time.

And I don't think we want to discuss WHY women are walking away from these sham "marriages" to unfaithful, selfish, self-absorbed abusers and losers.
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To make money....

Women, as well as the state, make money on child support and alimony.

Is it better to pay a ton of your annual income to some gold digger, or to put the child in a day care with that money, and still have money left over to spend on themselves?

If women actually took care of those kids, then you would have a case, but it is too often the case that the women stick them in day cares, and spend the money themselves.

Child Support. Alimony. 18 years of financial ruin.
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Overview Statistics from the Support Providers: 2002 report. (excerpts; I put the link at the bottom if you want to read more)

According to Support Providers: 2002, the average annual amount of financial support was $5,200, about 10 percent higher than the inflation-adjusted level of support in 1997 ($4,700).

About 60 percent of support paid ($24 billion) was made by the 5.7 million providing exclusively for children under 21 who lived outside the household, averaging $4,200 for the prior 12 months.

About 2.1 million providers contributed support to people other than minor children, including parents (36 percent), adult children (27 percent), other relatives (23 percent) and spouses or ex-spouses (11 percent).

Other Child Support Highlights:

A large majority (84 percent) of child-support providers were men.

About 6-in-10 child-support payers supported one child, about 3-in-10 made financial payments for two children and 1-in-10 supported three or more children.

About two-thirds (67 percent) of child-support providers were non-Hispanic whites, about 16 percent were blacks, 2 percent were Asians and Pacific islanders and another 2 percent were American Indians and Alaska natives. About 14 percent were Hispanics (of any race).

About half of people who provided child support were under 40 years old.

Male child support providers paid an annual medium of $3,600 for support of their children. Female child support providers pad a medium of $2,400 annually for support of their children. The most prevalent type of custody arrangement was the mother having both legal and physical custody (28%). The median amount of support paid in this type of custodial situation was $3,600 per year. The second most common custody arrangement was joint legal between both parents with the mother having sole physical custody(20%). The median amount of child support paid in these arrangements was higher at $4,800.

Child support provider's median family income was $42,000.

http://singleparents.about.com/cs/childsup...dsupportsta.htm

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Median income of $42,000....but pays an annual medium of $3,600 in child support?? Who's making out like a bandit here?

Most day care centers where I live run at least $80 a week....at 52 weeks a year, you do the math.
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There are so many women that get along as gold diggers. That is the major factor why many mairrages end to me. There are also other factors like not enough sensitivity.

The reason males get blamed is because when a women does something bad, people automatically pity her, or at least females do. Naturally the male will agree to avoid conflict with the female. When a male does it, they ae jackasses in this world that have ruined our name like MJ and others. Women are not completely to blame but they need to get some of this blamed on them.

women are great for other things tho. ;)

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Statistics About Domestic Abuse

DID YOU KNOW THAT:

Approximately 95% of the victims of domestic violence are women.
(Department of Justice figures)
Every 9 seconds in the United States a woman is assaulted and beaten.

4,000,000 women a year are assaulted by their partners.

In the United States, a woman is more likely to be assaulted, injured, raped, or killed by a male partner than by any other type of assailant.

Every day, 4 women are murdered by boyfriends or husbands.

Prison terms for killing husbands are twice as long as for killing wives.

93% of women who killed their mates had been battered by them. 67% killed them to protect themselves and their children at the moment of murder.

25% of all crime is wife assault.

70% of men who batter their partners either sexually or physically abuse their children.

Domestic violence is the number one cause of emergency room visits by women.

The number-one cause of women's injuries is abuse at home. This abuse happens more often than car accidents, mugging, and rape combined.

Up to 37% of all women experience battering. This is an estimated 566,000 women in Minnesota alone.

60% of all battered women are beaten while they are pregnant.

34% of the female homicide victims over age 15 are killed by their husbands, ex-husbands, or boyfriends.

2/3 of all marriages will experience domestic violence at least once.

Approximately 1,155,600 adult American women have been victims of one or more forcible rapes by their husbands.

Over 90% of murder-suicides involving couples are perpetrated by the man. 19-26% of male spouse-murderers committed suicide.

Abusive husbands and lovers harass 74% of employed battered women at work, either in person or over the telephone, causing 20% to lose their jobs.

Family violence kills as many women every 5 years as the total number of Americans who died in the Vietnam War.

http://www.letswrap.com/dvinfo/stats.htm

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Silly women.....why on earth would they walk out on such great marriages??? :rolleyes:
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Median income of $42,000....but pays an annual medium of $3,600 in child support?? Who's making out like a bandit here?

Most day care centers where I live run at least $80 a week....at 52 weeks a year, you do the math.

Washington state Child Support Calculator...

http://www.alllaw.com/calculators/Childsupport/washington/

Let's try one child. $2,000 for non-custodial parent monthly. $320 in day care fees per month (80x4) No money made by the custodial parent.

Monthly child support payment = $$747

12 months in a year. You do the math. (Almost 9 grand)
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Median income of $42,000....but pays an annual medium of $3,600 in child support?? Who's making out like a bandit here?

Most day care centers where I live run at least $80 a week....at 52 weeks a year, you do the math.

Washington state Child Support Calculator...

http://www.alllaw.com/calculators/Childsupport/washington/

Let's try one child. $2,000 for non-custodial parent monthly. $320 in day care fees per month (80x4) No money made by the custodial parent.

Monthly child support payment = $$747

12 months in a year. You do the math. (Almost 9 grand)

Gee....what about when the kid wants to eat? Or wear clothes? And heaven forbid they want presents on their birthday or Christmas.
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This isn't about Domestic Violence, but whatever...

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Coochey endlessly pumps out figures from the Straus et.al (1980) study. For example, he states that "one in three households would experience some degree of domestic violence but in half the cases the woman would be the perpetrator" and he uses this finding to substantiate the claim that violence is gender-neutral. Furthermore, PEN suggest that "only studies which are likely to prove useful in the future are those which, like those developed by Straus et.al in the USA, do apply exactly equivalent methodologies to both female and male experience of domestic violence". Dunn paraphrases Straus et.al (1980); "In about half the cases of mutual battering, women were the instigators--the ones who slapped, slugged or swung weapons first. Male violence against passive wives occurred in one quarter of the incidents; in another quarter of the incidents women were the violent partners who attacked non-violent spouses." Straus et.al conclude in their study that "women not only engage in physical violence as often as men, but they also initiate violence as often".



http://www.xyonline.net/Maleviolence.shtml
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This isn't about Domestic Violence, but whatever...




http://www.xyonline.net/Maleviolence.shtml

I think the operative phrase there is "cases of mutual battering".

But back on topic.....after child care, the custodial parent (i.e. woman) is left with approx. $400 for food, clothing, shelter, and medical care for the child. Oh yeah, she's living high on the hog alright.
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$400 a month of the fathers paycheck....

That is 37.5% of the fathers income. Instead of making $42 grand, he is making $33 grand. That could be used towards a car, anything.

+ add in alimony. Big money in Washington and California. State icon is the vagina.
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$400 a month of the fathers paycheck....

That is 37.5% of the fathers income. Instead of making $42 grand, he is making $33 grand. That could be used towards a car, anything.

+ add in alimony. Big money in Washington and California. State icon is the vagina.

That is far less than what he would be spending if he was an on-site parent.

Such a typical male response....a married woman I work with remarked that her husband recently got a new job, much higher paying, and all he can talk about is the new motorcycle he wants to buy, an older car he wants to customize....never mind that he is also a FATHER. Do men ever WANT to support their children? It is appalling that a judge must FORCE men to do so.

An old East Indian expression: "A dollar to a man is a dollar to a man. A dollar to a woman is a dollar to her family." I got that from a book, "The War Against Women," by Marilyn French.
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Perry Manley fought to support his children. Not in monetary support, but being there for his children. Everytime he went to the courts, he was denied part time custody. Parenting a child is a two parent job. Man and a women. Not a man paying a women to take care of the child.

Deadbeat dads do exist, as well as mothers that don't care, but there are parents (yes, that includes dads) that care about their kids.
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IN REMEMBERANCE OF PERRY MANLEY

I met Perry Manley at a DADS meeting one evening years ago. He was full of knowledge, energy and he had an enthusiasm that drew you to him, especially if you believed in equal parental rights.

When I met Perry he was homeless and lived in a shelter in downtown Seattle. While he lived this life he was always positive, well kept, and never fell into the traps many in his position do. I watched Perry pull himself up and give himself a better life. Perry went out and got a good job. Shortly thereafter he also found his own apartment. We lent Perry a computer and he linked himself with others nationwide. He also was extremely proud of re uniting with his daughter after many years.

Perry and I continued to meet and work on the agenda of parents rights. Through Perry I met many other great supporters of our cause. Perry was the one who introduced me to BJ Shea and got us on the air at what was then The Buzz 100.7FM. BJ is still a tremendous supporter today and can be heard mornings on KISW 99.9FM. Perry and I stayed up until midnight one night to file the class action suit against the State of WA for parental rights. Perry was also there for the start of The Other Parent and championed our cause at many events handing our flyers and educating by answering questions. Perry was always on the move for this cause and had made friends with folks across the country.

What I will remember most about Perry was his determination and his caring nature. He wanted to right the wrongs in the family law arena and worked tirelessly looking for a way to wake others up to fight the injustice. I also remember how gentle he was when he interacted with my son. My son met him when he was four and remembers him to this day. Though Perry didn’t see my son often, he saved him things like a Seahawks football and collected the new quarters from the states for him.

One day after Fathers day in 2005, June 20th, Perry died for what he believed in. After fighting for years in every legal way possible and being denied from our unjust family court system, Perry for reasons only he knows, took a desperate stand and lost his life.

That day I lost a friend and the cause for equal parental rights lost a tremendous supporter. I still miss talking to Perry and I think of him often.


You have a cold stone heart if you don't care for this guy.
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My brother fought for custody of his son. And every weekend his son was with him, my brother would play a few video games with him, then leave to hang out with his buddies....leaving his son with my bro's 2nd wife.

My nephew fought for custody of his kids....and when he has them, he plays with them a while, then they invariably end up with their grandmother.

Shall I continue?
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IN REMEMBERANCE OF PERRY MANLEY

I met Perry Manley at a DADS meeting one evening years ago. He was full of knowledge, energy and he had an enthusiasm that drew you to him, especially if you believed in equal parental rights.

When I met Perry he was homeless and lived in a shelter in downtown Seattle. While he lived this life he was always positive, well kept, and never fell into the traps many in his position do. I watched Perry pull himself up and give himself a better life. Perry went out and got a good job. Shortly thereafter he also found his own apartment. We lent Perry a computer and he linked himself with others nationwide. He also was extremely proud of re uniting with his daughter after many years.

Perry and I continued to meet and work on the agenda of parents rights. Through Perry I met many other great supporters of our cause. Perry was the one who introduced me to BJ Shea and got us on the air at what was then The Buzz 100.7FM. BJ is still a tremendous supporter today and can be heard mornings on KISW 99.9FM. Perry and I stayed up until midnight one night to file the class action suit against the State of WA for parental rights. Perry was also there for the start of The Other Parent and championed our cause at many events handing our flyers and educating by answering questions. Perry was always on the move for this cause and had made friends with folks across the country.

What I will remember most about Perry was his determination and his caring nature. He wanted to right the wrongs in the family law arena and worked tirelessly looking for a way to wake others up to fight the injustice. I also remember how gentle he was when he interacted with my son. My son met him when he was four and remembers him to this day. Though Perry didn’t see my son often, he saved him things like a Seahawks football and collected the new quarters from the states for him.

One day after Fathers day in 2005, June 20th, Perry died for what he believed in. After fighting for years in every legal way possible and being denied from our unjust family court system, Perry for reasons only he knows, took a desperate stand and lost his life.

That day I lost a friend and the cause for equal parental rights lost a tremendous supporter. I still miss talking to Perry and I think of him often.


You have a cold stone heart if you don't care for this guy.

With all due respect, I'll believe in the concept of "equal" parental rights when a man dies in childbirth.
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Shall I continue?

With your fake relatives?

Why would anyone fight for custody if they don't care?
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With all due respect, I'll believe in the concept of "equal" parental rights when a man dies in childbirth.

What are you talking about?
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With your fake relatives?

Why would anyone fight for custody if they don't care?

Men fight for custody not because they want to actually raise their own children. Men fight for custody to PREVENT their ex from having custody of them, IMO.

Re my other post: My point? There is no "equality" in the risks of child-bearing. So why do men want "special rights" when it comes to paying child support for the children they created OF THEIR OWN FREE WILL??
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