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Deadbeat dads
Topic Started: Jun 21 2006, 07:32 PM (843 Views)
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#1 - Child support system is corrupt. They make the man pay, because they know they are more likely to pay.
#2 - Yes, men don't want to have their ex be the only parental figure in their childs life. Guess why ***** men have been a dime a dozen in Washington? Becuase they have no father in their life.
#3 - The system can easily be abused by women. No pre-nub, the can get they man all they want. Victim = The husband and the child.

The child loses no matter what. The best solution is not to have the men just sent child support checks. Children need to have both parents. If you agree with this, check out The Other Parent (TOP) @ TOPrights.org

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The Other Parent was founded on the belief that children need both parents. We believe, in the absence of abuse or neglect, both parents have an equal right to legal and physical joint custody of their child. We also believe that both men and women should be held to the same financial obligation for care of their child. We have dedicated ourselves to serving the best interests of all children by advocating equality and accountability in the family court system.

We work toward this goal by providing information, referrals and support services to non-custodial parents. The Other Parent recognizes and works against bias in the system, but supports all parents who put their child first and want to protect their rights and relationship with their child, regardless of gender.


Well I see I'm not going to convince Kyy of anything. I'd like to hear what the rest of you think though...
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You knew when you started this topic with me around, it was like tossing raw meat into a lioness's cage!! :lol:

Why are there no fathers in so many children's lives? Because so few men are MEN. Grabbing tail everywhere they go without a second thought about the consequences. Here's a novel idea: MEN, GROW UP!!! If you're not ready for the consequences of unprotected sex, KEEP [IT] IN YOUR PANTS!!!

A nice concept, "equal financial obligation". How about we first start with EQUAL PAY?? When men start making 75 cents for every dollar women make, I'll be able to hear you a lot better.
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Folks, this is Politics. We keep the discussions at a higher standard here to promote civility. Please make your points without using profanity. Please refrain from using even disguised profanity. Thank you.
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kyyankgrrl,Jun 22 2006
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How about we first start with EQUAL PAY?? When men start making 75 cents for every dollar women make, I'll be able to hear you a lot better.

Oh, don't start with me on that. Maybe when they stop putting out 'stats' that compare women's average yearly salary with Men's yearly salary without taking into consideration hours worked, overtime, postion, ect.

Maybe if women actually worked hard, it would be a different story. Men come in early, and leave late. Women come late and leave early.
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Then real reson dads get called deadbeats is because the image of the male has gron from the man working at the factory to support his family to the lazy bum who doesnt wor, sits around and beats his wife, and the dad who leaves his family in divorce.

News Flash 66% percent od divorces that happen are called for and arranged by Women. If the women decides to leave i say screw child support let me raise my own god damn child. Im not the one who leaves with my kid and forces me to pay her money. Let me get my own child and ill raise it myself im sure with all the "extra" cash im getting for being a man ill have more then enough money.

Now kkyankgirl raised up the issue of unprotected sex and keeping are parts in are pants. Did you ever view the issue of leading on? Ims ure not 100% of sex is men coming home and forcing the women to have sex with them. So maybe they couls say no. Or did we need to argue the fact that the word No doesnt work anymore?
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KillerK,Jun 22 2006
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News Flash 66% percent od divorces that happen are called for and arranged by Women. If the women decides to leave i say screw child support let me raise my own god damn child. Im not the one who leaves with my kid and forces me to pay her money. Let me get my own child and ill raise it myself im sure with all the "extra" cash im getting for being a man ill have more then enough money.

Now kkyankgirl raised up the issue of unprotected sex and keeping are parts in are pants. Did you ever view the issue of leading on? Ims ure not 100% of sex is men coming home and forcing the women to have sex with them. So maybe they couls say no. Or did we need to argue the fact that the word No doesnt work anymore?

So if a woman leaves an abusive marriage, she should lose custody of her children because she's the one walking out??? I don't think so.

You bring up a good point about "leading on". Man oh man, the day men learn to say "no" is the day I sprout a fluffy tail and wings!!! :lol:
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eye95,Jun 22 2006
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Folks, this is Politics. We keep the discussions at a higher standard here to promote civility. Please make your points without using profanity. Please refrain from using even disguised profanity. Thank you.

Sorry Eye....just got a little heated up. Won't happen again!!
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Oh, don't start with me on that. Maybe when they stop putting out 'stats' that compare women's average yearly salary with Men's yearly salary without taking into consideration hours worked, overtime, postion, ect.

Maybe if women actually worked hard, it would be a different story. Men come in early, and leave late. Women come late and leave early.

I won't even ask where you got those ideas from. Probably from your favorite website, I-Hate-Women.com. :lol:
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You keep going on about abuse. You honestly believe that all divorces are because of abuse? Get real then.
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KillerK,Jun 22 2006
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You keep going on about abuse. You honestly believe that all divorces are because of abuse? Get real then.

No. I think most divorces happen because the 2 people shouldn't have gotten married in the first place. But abuse - physical and emotional - are factors in most divorces, IMO.
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And the man is always at fault for them fighting? I think not
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No, I never said that. It takes 2 people to fight. But if a fight becomes physical, men have a clear advantage. Until they fall asleep, of course. *boxer*
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But most fights do not become physical it just the girl blobbering on about soem stupid thing like not taking out the garbage before work.
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Can't imagine that....most guys like taking the garbage out, it gives them a chance to check out their female neighbors without getting caught....
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Yeahi know manuel labor really excites us yippee :rolleyes:
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Any excuse to check out other females when your wife/girlfriend isn't around....
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Now why would i use taking outt eh trash as an excuse when i could walk outside myself? Maybe its becaue we dont feel like getting in another useless argument started by are wife/girlfriend.


BTW Your sterotypical statements dont make any sense since you have now facts all men or even a majority check out there neighbor when taking outt he trash
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You're right, I have no stats or numbers to back that up. Why, I'm totally wrong....men NEVER cheat, only women do.

I have never met a man in my entire life who did not use any and every excuse he could to check out other women....no matter how "happy" he claimed to be in his marriage/relationship.


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kyyankgrrl,Jun 22 2006
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Element,Jun 22 2006
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Oh, don't start with me on that. Maybe when they stop putting out 'stats' that compare women's average yearly salary with Men's yearly salary without taking into consideration hours worked, overtime, postion, ect.

Maybe if women actually worked hard, it would be a different story. Men come in early, and leave late. Women come late and leave early.

I won't even ask where you got those ideas from. Probably from your favorite website, I-Hate-Women.com. :lol:

Here, this is written by a women. Maybe you will be able to understand it.

http://www.ncpa.org/pub/ba/ba392/

Another one.

http://www.npri.org/issues/issues99/i_b040799.htm
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I read them both and you know what I found out?

#1 - Men NEVER make their family their priority....which explains why it's so easy for them to walk out on them.

#2 - Therefore, women should be financially penalized for not making the almighty dollar the most important facet of their life.

#3 - The articles completely ignore the suffocating, overwhelming pressures society puts on women to marry and have children. As a woman who has chosen to do neither, I speak from first-hand experience.

A case in point: How many unattached women do you know who wear rings on their left hand, third finger?

I do.
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