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| eye95 | Jul 13 2006, 04:30 PM Post #21 |
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Gorilla...'nuff said
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If the US were in the grips a despot who killed Americans that disagreed with him, many of them en masse, and if that foreign country you are asking about invaded, threw him out of power, and allowed us to reestablish our democratic republic, I'd welcome them with open arms and join them in whatever fight remained for them to face. |
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| kyyankgrrl | Jul 13 2006, 04:34 PM Post #22 |
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You ignore the fact that during the 1980s, the U.S. was ALLIES with Iraq and supporters of Saddam. The crimes he is on trial for were committed in the 1980s - so are we going to also try Ronald Reagan posthumously? Middle Eastern nations do not like the United States because of our blanket support for everything Israel does, plain and simple. I am always amused when people point out that Saddam was abusing the Kurdish minority. Does that mean another country would have been completely right to have invaded the U.S. in the first half of the 20th century, when blacks were routinely stripped of every imaginable right and lynched while the U.S. government looked the other way? Regarding Korea and Vietnam - we went in to protect an ally (South Korea and South Vietnam, respectively). World War II was a war against the spread of Nazism and Fascism. What ally was Iraq threatening? And what is this war preventing the spread of? Please don't say "terrorism" - I don't think the British people who died in the railway attack a year ago, or the Indian people who were killed just a few days ago, would buy that argument. It is hard to "force" other nations to respect you when you have become a "bully" nation, as the U.S. has. Other nations may fear us and, accordingly, they will strike out against us when they can. That is what "terrorists" do - they know they cannot match our military might, but they will strike when and where they can, in smaller numbers. And other nations will never respect us as long as we show total disregard and disrespect for them and their customs. |
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| KillerK | Jul 13 2006, 05:20 PM Post #23 |
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Yes we were allys with Sadam but we did not know what he was doing and what crimes he was doing as we do know. Also we needed the oil because back then we did not have the allies we do today so we turned away and let Sadam do his crimes. And yes it was a mistake and today we know it was and we are holdinmf a trial for it. Yes, but plain and simple Israel is probaly the most civil and greatest nation in the middle east. And what i get is you think we should turn are back on a long time allie so other Middle Eastern countries will like us more? Yes they would have hads the right to invade us. Problem was nobody cared. Everyone around the world had slaves and no one would step up and protect the slaves rights stopping everyone from using slaves. Yes it was wrong to have slavery and almost every country in the world knows that. You just basically ruined your whole argument with that staement. You said has the U.S never goes to war unless they hve something the opther country wants and i gave you 3 wars. Now you changed your mind saying we were helping are allies which you were just arguing about??? So your saying we should just let the Middle East produce nuclear weapons so we dont seeem like bullies? Im sorry but im not one to sit here and let other countries produce nuclear weapons when were number 1 on there hit list. Sucide bombs, killing innocent civilians, mass produce terror weapons, kill religious (sp?) groups because the leader doesnt like them, training men to hate and kill america any chnce they get, and threating other countries those are all customs to ou? |
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| kyyankgrrl | Jul 13 2006, 05:43 PM Post #24 |
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The U.S. knew exactly what Saddam was doing. We looked the other way because Iraq was also at war with Iran, and we hated Iran more than Iraq, so we gave Saddam a free pass to do as he wished. Again with the rose-colored glasses....just because Israel is our ally does not mean everything Israel does is right. Did I say we should turn our back on them? No. But we should not also sanction everything Israel does to the Palestinian people. Slavery ended in other parts of the world (Europe) long before it ended in the United States. It even ended in the northern United States long before it ended in the south. Many people knew it was wrong, but it was also profitable. So it is almost funny to me that now, with that kind of history of trafficking in humans, the U.S. is now attempting to become the world's morality police. No, my argument is the same - the U.S. enters wars to further its own agenda. South Korea and South Vietnam were our allies primarily because of our need to establish bases in that part of the world. When they were threatened, our need to have a toe-hold in every part of the world was threatened. Our agenda had little to do with protecting the South Korean or South Vietnamese people from the spread of Communism....it was to protect OUR markets, plain and simple. Perhaps we should look at why Middle Eastern nations are desperate to create/procure nuclear weapons....maybe they feel threatened by US? Maybe the U.S.'s unprovoked invasion of Iraq has made them all feel vulnerable to a U.S. attack? And let's not forget....for all the dire warnings and threats we make about other countries using nuclear weapons....only ONE nation has EVER actually used them....wanna take a guess? |
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| YankeeFan | Jul 14 2006, 12:55 AM Post #25 |
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Honestly I don't feel like making a long post, I will tomorrow, but since when was it a BAD thing for a country to make any kind of strategic move that would "further its own agenda"? |
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| YankeeFan | Jul 14 2006, 12:57 AM Post #26 |
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Also it was pretty much a gamble with Iran/Iraq. Look at who we allied with in World War II. The nation/power that we ended up being in conflict with for decades to come. Sorry that it isn't as simple as sitting around pretending everythings going to be OK if we just talk about it. Never worked, never will work. Choices have to be made, sometimes they aren't the best in the longterm, sometimes they are. It's called taking risks and I'd sure as hell take a risk rather than sit around and watch myself diminish into a country that means absolutely nothing to the world. (See socialist Europe) |
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| kyyankgrrl | Jul 14 2006, 03:07 AM Post #27 |
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When that country is North Korea, apparently. |
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| KillerK | Jul 14 2006, 11:12 AM Post #28 |
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Yes we did but that was what in the 80's? We now know it was a mistake and we need to correct that mistake and stop Saddam and his followers from doing it and that is what this whole war is about!!! Im not saying everything that Israel does is right. Every country does something wrong. But one thing you seem to not relize is Israel has been at war with Palestians for years and killing happens in wars. Palestians have done the same things with Jews from Isreal its all apart of war. So your argument is that since the U.S did something wrong with slavery back in the 1800's that its alright for other countries to do something just as bad? Was Slavery wrong? Yes If Britian invaded us trying to stop slavery would it be rigbht? Yes "So does the U.S have the right to stop other countries NOW from doing stuff just as bad? Yes Your aryment is changing so much on this topic its hard to keep track. First you said "The U.S never enters a war unless they want something from there country" then you said "we went in to protect an ally" now your saying "we went to war to gain bases in Korea" WTF? Soemthing to point out, in case you never learned this during Vietnam and Korea there was soemthing called the Red Scare that communism would soon dominate the world. And in case your didnt know both North Korea and North Vietnam were communist and when they North Korea attacked South (are ally) we helped protect them. When North Vietnam attacked South Vietnam (are ally) we also went in to protect them. I dont know why are they? Maybe its its beause they were born hating America? Maybe they were raised shoating "death to america" after prairs. And one thing i would like to point out is that the Middle Eastern nations never started to hate America until there leaders who were born as hating America gained power and scpread there hatred way to the citizens. So maybe its because they have such a hatred for us that they want to destroy us in every was possiable with using such bombs. So because we used a Nuclear weapon on Japan its alright for middle astern countries to start making them and making threats to America? |
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