Welcome Guest [Log In] [Register]
Welcome to Die Hard Baseball. We hope you enjoy your visit.


You're currently viewing our forum as a guest. This means you are limited to certain areas of the board and there are some features you can't use. If you join our community, you'll be able to access member-only sections, and use many member-only features such as customizing your profile, sending personal messages, and voting in polls. Registration is simple, fast, and completely free.


Join our community!


If you're already a member please log in to your account to access all of our features:

Username:   Password:
Add Reply
Rank 'em; Rank the young pitchers....
Topic Started: Jul 5 2006, 04:44 PM (482 Views)
TheHugeUnit
Come on CC
Admin
GonetoSleep21,Jul 5 2006
11:03 PM
so youre basically arranging them in order from what you see in their stats...

No i just think Felix isn't going to be the hot shot everyone thinks he'll be
Posted Image
Posted Image
Click Here For a Pic of OESH BEAST Montero
oeshbach - on his Italians roots
 
not all italians shit their pants

Rockshu
 
I had a dream where I was playing RF for the Yankees against the Red Sox and Joe Torre was yelling at me in the outfield...Helloooooo erection
Offline Profile Quote Post Goto Top
 
Crushed Optimism
Member Avatar
hella fithy two oh sickness
Members
TheHugeUnit,Jul 5 2006
10:17 PM
No i just think Felix isn't going to be the hot shot everyone thinks he'll be

Mmhmm, and why is that?
Offline Profile Quote Post Goto Top
 
GonetoSleep21
Member Avatar

Members
Look, half the people here has never seen him pitch, so how did you expect them to rank him...

Hernandez could throw gas and reach the high 90s. He has a sharp slider and a good curve...compared to Verlander and Jered, hes far better...both have good-avg stuff...

The problem with Hernandez is his control...If he could gain that, he would be one of the top pitchers in the league...
Posted Image
Posted Image
Posted Image
Offline Profile Quote Post Goto Top
 
Crushed Optimism
Member Avatar
hella fithy two oh sickness
Members
I couldn't agree more. :P

Felix has shown that he can have control, he just has to find it sometimes. Last year he had it.

Felix can throw a 98 MPH fastball, has a nasty curve, great changeup, and also has a slider that he's not allowed to throw. All of these are way above average. He just makes 1-2 mistakes a game, and that costs him big time.

Might I add he's 20? The youngest of ALL of these players here.
Offline Profile Quote Post Goto Top
 
KeepTheFaith
Member Avatar
This ShiT Go!!!!
Members
GonetoSleep21,Jul 5 2006
10:23 PM
Look, half the people here has never seen him pitch, so how did you expect them to rank him...

Hernandez could throw gas and reach the high 90s. He has a sharp slider and a good curve...compared to Verlander and Jered, hes far better...both have good-avg stuff...

The problem with Hernandez is his control...If he could gain that, he would be one of the top pitchers in the league...

How does Verlander have good to average stuff if he was the #1 righthanded pitching prospect in baseball? I think it takes more than that to achieve that.
Posted Image
Offline Profile Quote Post Goto Top
 
GonetoSleep21
Member Avatar

Members
Yeah, how about a team thats in a good streak, a team that comes up with the supporting runs to drive him to 10 wins? Not all of his wins came from dominating games...his stuff is definitley good, but not as good as Hernandez's...
Posted Image
Posted Image
Posted Image
Offline Profile Quote Post Goto Top
 
2002NLChamps
Member Avatar

Members
Hernandez, Kaz, Verlander, Liriano, Erv, Weaver.
Offline Profile Quote Post Goto Top
 
Crushed Optimism
Member Avatar
hella fithy two oh sickness
Members
KeepTheFaith,Jul 5 2006
10:37 PM
GonetoSleep21,Jul 5 2006
10:23 PM
Look, half the people here has never seen him pitch, so how did you expect them to rank him...

Hernandez could throw gas and reach the high 90s. He has a sharp slider and a good curve...compared to Verlander and Jered, hes far better...both have good-avg stuff...

The problem with Hernandez is his control...If he could gain that, he would be one of the top pitchers in the league...

How does Verlander have good to average stuff if he was the #1 righthanded pitching prospect in baseball? I think it takes more than that to achieve that.

Actually, Chad Billingsley was. I don't know what ranking you're looking at...
Offline Profile Quote Post Goto Top
 
2002NLChamps
Member Avatar

Members
Looking at the recent success of Verlander and Billingsly's failure in his one start, I'd have to say Baseball America was off on that one.
Offline Profile Quote Post Goto Top
 
Crushed Optimism
Member Avatar
hella fithy two oh sickness
Members
You can't judge a player by a half a year in the bigs... That's silly. It proves nothing.
Offline Profile Quote Post Goto Top
 
2002NLChamps
Member Avatar

Members
Crushed Optimism,Jul 5 2006
10:54 PM
You can't judge a player by a half a year in the bigs... That's silly. It proves nothing.

Eh, I'm a Dodger hater so I had to throw Billingsly's bad start in there somehow ^_^

But still, I definitely think Verlander is a solid major league pitcher right now and better than most names on the list.
Offline Profile Quote Post Goto Top
 
Crushed Optimism
Member Avatar
hella fithy two oh sickness
Members
2002NLChamps,Jul 5 2006
10:56 PM
Eh, I'm a Dodger hater so I had to throw Billingsly's bad start in there somehow ^_^

But still, I definitely think Verlander is a solid major league pitcher right now and better than most names on the list.

Verlander is good, we're not taking anything away from him. But this is an elite class of names, these young guys are. Nonetheless, Verlander is still something special.
Offline Profile Quote Post Goto Top
 
Marlinschamps03
Gangsta
Elite Members
Liriano
Weaver
Kaz
Verlander
Hernandez
Santana

in that order.
Posted Image

Hanley Ramirez doesn't make errors--the ball is just afraid of him.
Shadez was the first man to walk on the moon... with sunglasses on.
In rookie ball, he drove a ball to deep centerfield, only to be informed he had been traded on his way to first base. So, he sprinted to the wall and robbed himself of a homerun.
He can turn a man to stone just by looking at him without his shades.
Was pointed at when Babe Ruth supposedly called his shot.
The June 24th game between the Marlins and Yankees was not, in fact, called by rain as was previously reported. Hanley had plans. And by plans we mean a date. With a girl. A babe if you will.
jaysdude
 
My mouth is a sperm bank
Offline Profile Quote Post Goto Top
 
goredsox1211
Member Avatar

Members
My list is the best hands down
New bruins forum. Old one crashed.
Posted Image
Posted Image
Posted Image
Offline Profile Quote Post Goto Top
 
KeepTheFaith
Member Avatar
This ShiT Go!!!!
Members
Crushed Optimism,Jul 5 2006
10:48 PM
KeepTheFaith,Jul 5 2006
10:37 PM
GonetoSleep21,Jul 5 2006
10:23 PM
Look, half the people here has never seen him pitch, so how did you expect them to rank him...

Hernandez could throw gas and reach the high 90s. He has a sharp slider and a good curve...compared to Verlander and Jered, hes far better...both have good-avg stuff...

The problem with Hernandez is his control...If he could gain that, he would be one of the top pitchers in the league...

How does Verlander have good to average stuff if he was the #1 righthanded pitching prospect in baseball? I think it takes more than that to achieve that.

Actually, Chad Billingsley was. I don't know what ranking you're looking at...

Oh, I seem to remember at the beginning of the season one of the sources said Verlander was the 2nd best pitching prospect behind Liriano, I'll try and dig up a link for you.

edit: ok I just looked around a little. the Baseball America list has him 2nd, one spot behind Billingsley, and the Sporting News list has him second, one spot behind Papelbon.

And to gonetosleep about Verlander just having good stuff, funny, because Baseball America describes it as "dominant".
Posted Image
Offline Profile Quote Post Goto Top
 
GonetoSleep21
Member Avatar

Members
Everyone has their own opinions
Posted Image
Posted Image
Posted Image
Offline Profile Quote Post Goto Top
 
zackboomer
Member Avatar
DHB's Greatest Member
Members
goredsox1211,Jul 5 2006
06:01 PM
Ok heres mine.

1. Francisco Liriano
2. Jonathan Papelbon
3. Scott Kazmir
4, Justin Verlander
5. Felix Hernandez
6. Jered Weaver

I don't see Papelbon on that list....
Offline Profile Quote Post Goto Top
 
KillerK
Member Avatar
Manningham > Ginn
Members
1. Jon Papelbon
(He won't get worn out faster thus him being able to have his dominent pitches in the future)

2. Justin Verlander

(hitting will give you more runs not making Verlander a better pitcher. The hitters arent the ones who go out there and get the low 3 ERA. Plus this guy won't be put into the drivers seat two fast so he won't have pressure on him like Kazmir and the Rays)

3. Liriano

(Will have Johan Santana to help him but will be put into the drivers seat with Johan putting pressure on him which im guessing might make him not produce)

4. Felix Hernandez

(His stuff is good yes but his team is bad and when he makes mistakes he pays for them and gets losses for them because his team can't rebound)

5. Ervin Santana

(Should learn from the best of them but his consisant ERA to stay around a mid 4 scares me away)

6. Scott Kazmir

(Being on a bad team will greatly hurt his win total and him being pushed to the number 1 spot likely next season puts a ton of pressure to perform)

7. Jared Weaver

(Reminds me way too much of his brother to put him any higher)
[align=center]
This is my sig,
enjoy.
[/align]
Offline Profile Quote Post Goto Top
 
BlueJaysfan
Member Avatar

Members
Liriano
Kazmir
Paplebon
Verlander
Hernadez
Santana
Weaver
Offline Profile Quote Post Goto Top
 
Crushed Optimism
Member Avatar
hella fithy two oh sickness
Members
A friend of mine posted these stats on my site and I just wanted to share them with you.

Francisco Liriano:2.43 xFIP 10.40 K/9 4.70 K/BB
Scott Kazmir:3.72 xFIP 9.71 K/9 2.95 K/BB
Justin Verlander:4.66 xFIP 5.61 K/9 2.09 K/BB
Ervin Santana:4.96 xFIP 6.41 K/9 2.30 K/BB
Felix Hernandez:3.47 xFIP 8.51 K/9 3.16 K/BB
Jered Weaver:3.96 xFIP 8.37 K/9 6.20 k/BB*

That's xFIP.

These stats suggest that:

1. Justin Verlander has been VERY lucky.
2. Liriano is a god.
3. Felix Hernandez has been REALLY unlucky.
4. Kazmir wasn't really lucky or unlucky.
5. Weaver's small sample size was VERY VERY VERY lucky.
6. Santana was pretty lucky.

So since almost all of you are judging on this year's stats, this is how you would rank them by xFIP:

1. Liriano
2. Hernandez
3. Kazmir
4. Weaver
5. Santana
6. Verlander

And xFIP is WAYYY better than ERA.

Offline Profile Quote Post Goto Top
 
1 user reading this topic (1 Guest and 0 Anonymous)
Go to Next Page
« Previous Topic · MLB · Next Topic »
Add Reply