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You know what's getting sad about MLB fans
Topic Started: Jul 10 2006, 08:42 AM (187 Views)
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Yes this is about steroids so don't read on if you don't wanna hear anymore about it.

Some try to justify the use of steroids. They say stuff like "yeah well Barry may have use steroids, but he still needed to have good hand-eye coordination" etc. etc.

It's almost like they're in denial. Let's just face it, the home run records of the last several years are not legit. I cringe every time I hear someone say, "Well juiced or not you have to respect Barry Bonds' accomplishments!" Why? Why do I have to respect his accomplishments? HE CHEATED. We all know it, why should we ignore it and just applaud the guy when he gets to 756? that's like if someone cheats their way through High School and never learns anything, someone going "well cheating or not, you have to admit he's an intelligent guy!"

It's scary to me that people are on the verge of just accepting steroids.
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it is true though

I dont like steriods and i dont like athletes who use them


but Barry Bonds is an exceptional player


no amount of steroids can make you into the only 500-500 player in ML history

hell there isnt even a player with 400 homers and 400 stolen bases

steroids obviously enhanced his performance, the evidence being his 73 HR season

but he's still the greatest hitter of the last decade
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Tribesman23,Jul 10 2006
08:46 AM
it is true though

I dont like steriods and i dont like athletes who use them


but Barry Bonds is an exceptional player


no amount of steroids can make you into the only 500-500 player in ML history

hell there isnt even a player with 400 homers and 400 stolen bases

steroids obviously enhanced his performance, the evidence being his 73 HR season

but he's still the greatest hitter of the last decade

Right...Because of steroids.

He's not legit, end of story. This is exactly what I'm talking about. I don't give a damn how exceptional of a player he is. HE. CHEATED. Therefore his entire career should be disregarded. You can not reward him for cheating.
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I agree he cheated and his stats have been inflated as a result

but a guy like Bonds needs talent aswell to do what he did


he could have been as great as he is today without steroids

it just makes you wonder why did he do it.

he didnt need PED
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Tribesman23,Jul 10 2006
08:56 AM
I agree he cheated and his stats have been inflated as a result

but a guy like Bonds needs talent aswell to do what he did


he could have been as great as he is today without steroids

it just makes you wonder why did he do it.

he didnt need PED

He wouldn't have 700+ home runs without steroids and probably wouldnt still be playing today.
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he would have 700

but he'd certainly have 600


and he would still be playing today


his body and knees as a mess as a result of steroid use
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Barry Bonds was already a guaranteed hall of famer before he got on the juice. He started doing them in after '98, when he already had 3 MVP's and 411 homers, so he easily would have gotten to 500, maybe 600. And he would still be the only 500/500 of all-time. I'm not defending him, but you have to be fair.
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Yea, no doubt about it, he is making the HOF before he used steroids. Steroids only gives you muscle, you need quick wrists, a good eye, and good hand-eye coordination to hit HR's, steroids only gives you that little extra boost. He would definitly have 500 HR's, enough to get him into the HOF.
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KeepTheFaith,Jul 10 2006
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Barry Bonds was already a guaranteed hall of famer before he got on the juice. He started doing them in after '98, when he already had 3 MVP's and 411 homers, so he easily would have gotten to 500, maybe 600. And he would still be the only 500/500 of all-time. I'm not defending him, but you have to be fair.

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JustJenks5,Jul 10 2006
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Yes this is about steroids so don't read on if you don't wanna hear anymore about it.

Some try to justify the use of steroids. They say stuff like "yeah well Barry may have use steroids, but he still needed to have good hand-eye coordination" etc. etc.

It's almost like they're in denial. Let's just face it, the home run records of the last several years are not legit. I cringe every time I hear someone say, "Well juiced or not you have to respect Barry Bonds' accomplishments!" Why? Why do I have to respect his accomplishments? HE CHEATED. We all know it, why should we ignore it and just applaud the guy when he gets to 756? that's like if someone cheats their way through High School and never learns anything, someone going "well cheating or not, you have to admit he's an intelligent guy!"

It's scary to me that people are on the verge of just accepting steroids.

I don't recall Barry Bonds being caught with steroids. Innocent untill proven guilty. That's how I'll always stand with the steroid issue.
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^^I agree with Thomehomie (I just found out you're natefizzle lol)
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And the fact remains....Bonds is not the only player in MLB using or who has used performance-enhancing substances. In fact, it's probably easier to count the players who HAVEN'T used anything....I think it's probably 75% or more who have used performance-enhancing substances (and I'm talking steroids, HGH, EPO, insulin, any of them).
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yea he cheated, but he was a good player.. but seriously think about how many balls would not go over the wall if he didn't take steroids..
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kyyankgrrl,Jul 10 2006
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And the fact remains....Bonds is not the only player in MLB using or who has used performance-enhancing substances. In fact, it's probably easier to count the players who HAVEN'T used anything....I think it's probably 75% or more who have used performance-enhancing substances (and I'm talking steroids, HGH, EPO, insulin, any of them).

Yes he is not the only player to take them, but look at what he did with them. He broke records. HUGE records. He had seasons that you would think was impossible for a human.
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This thread is a perfect example of what I'm talking about.

It doesn't MATTER if he was already gonna be a hall of famer. He cheated, and therefore his career should be disregarded. If Pete Rose can't be in the hall of fame, barry bonds sure as hell shouldn't be.

And to those like natefizzle saying "innocent until proven guilty", just stop, you're killing me with that BS. Nobody goes from hitting home runs in the 40's to hitting them in the 70's and then mysteriously right back down again in today's game. It just doesn't happen without roids, sorry. He did them, you know he did them, end of story. And besides, it shouldn't be too long before he is proven guility.
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Jenks, I agree with you, Bonds is a cheat. Even though without the steroids he was a potential 500/500 player, he still choose to cheat, and because of that we don't know exactly which of his statistics are valid. For all we know without the roids he could have suddenly gone downhill and never gotten 500 homeruns.

The truth is he choose to cheat and give himself an unfair advantage over other players. He doesn't deserve to be in the Hall of Fame, but sadly, unless he's taken off the ballot he'll get in anyway. Do we really want a cheater to grouped with players like Williams, Ruth, Gehrig, DiMaggio, and others. Players who achieved what they did without cheating and haven't cast a shadow over the game.

Like thomehomie said, Bonds hasn't been proven guilty yet, so I doubt anything can be done until there's solid proof or a confession, but for those that have been proven to have taken steroids then take them off the ballot and retire them with an asterick.
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