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Topic Started: Aug 3 2006, 12:55 PM (241 Views)
TheBabe714

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Web gems doesn't make a player defensively good. Truth is, everyone has some web gems. Range is the best thing to evaluate Short Stops on. His isn't bad, but he's no better than Miguel Tejada defensively. He's a totally overrated Short Stop.

"RF: Range Factor ((PO + A) * 9 divided by innings) ZR: Zone rating. The percentage of balls fielded by a player in his typical defensive "zone," as measured by STATS, Inc."

http://mlb.mlb.com/NASApp/mlb/mlb/stats/ml...3173&statType=1

Look at Tejada, they are just about the same. Then you include the web gems that Jeter makes and Tejada doesn't, then Jeter is the 2nd best clutch hitter in the game, and that is already enough to say Jeter is the best. Then, if you want to, you could say he is a better leader than Tejada.

Come on, that's typical Yankee fan. There's no evidence to back up that statement. Jeter makes web gems and Tejada doesn't? Really, that's new to me. Jeter is a clutch hitter and Tejada isn't? Where's the proof...

All in the games, my friend...
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De Rosa, Carpenter, and Isringhausen? Why would you choose them?

Have you seen their stats?
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Chris Carpenter

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De Rosa, Carpenter, and Isringhausen? Why would you choose them?

Have you seen their stats?

Well then what about Carpenter?
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TheBabe714,Aug 3 2006
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Web gems doesn't make a player defensively good. Truth is, everyone has some web gems. Range is the best thing to evaluate Short Stops on. His isn't bad, but he's no better than Miguel Tejada defensively. He's a totally overrated Short Stop.

"RF: Range Factor ((PO + A) * 9 divided by innings) ZR: Zone rating. The percentage of balls fielded by a player in his typical defensive "zone," as measured by STATS, Inc."

http://mlb.mlb.com/NASApp/mlb/mlb/stats/ml...3173&statType=1

Look at Tejada, they are just about the same. Then you include the web gems that Jeter makes and Tejada doesn't, then Jeter is the 2nd best clutch hitter in the game, and that is already enough to say Jeter is the best. Then, if you want to, you could say he is a better leader than Tejada.

Come on, that's typical Yankee fan. There's no evidence to back up that statement. Jeter makes web gems and Tejada doesn't? Really, that's new to me. Jeter is a clutch hitter and Tejada isn't? Where's the proof...

All in the games, my friend...

That's not fair to say. I really doubt you've seen every game Tejada has played. Unless you watch them both an equal amount of time, you are in no position to make a judgement with no stats to back it up.
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rf - Ichiro
3b - David Wright
ss - Alex Rodriguez
dh - David Ortiz
1b - Albert Pujols
lf - Manny Ramirez
cf - Andruw Jones
2b - Chase Utley
c - Joe Mauer

sp - Johan Santana
sp - Francisco Liriano
sp - Roy Halladay
sp - Pedro Martinez
sp - Ervin Santana

rp - Aaron Heilman
rp - Scott Linebrink
rp - Scot Shields
rp - Fransicso Rodriguez
rp - Jonathan Papelbon

BENCH

Travis Hafner, dh
Carlos Beltran, of
Derek Jeter, ss
Lance Berkman, 1b/of
Miguel Cabrera, 3b
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Why are hearign Jeters name in the running for MVP this year and not Tejadas?
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Web gems doesn't make a player defensively good. Truth is, everyone has some web gems. Range is the best thing to evaluate Short Stops on. His isn't bad, but he's no better than Miguel Tejada defensively. He's a totally overrated Short Stop.

"RF: Range Factor ((PO + A) * 9 divided by innings) ZR: Zone rating. The percentage of balls fielded by a player in his typical defensive "zone," as measured by STATS, Inc."

http://mlb.mlb.com/NASApp/mlb/mlb/stats/ml...3173&statType=1

Look at Tejada, they are just about the same. Then you include the web gems that Jeter makes and Tejada doesn't, then Jeter is the 2nd best clutch hitter in the game, and that is already enough to say Jeter is the best. Then, if you want to, you could say he is a better leader than Tejada.

Come on, that's typical Yankee fan. There's no evidence to back up that statement. Jeter makes web gems and Tejada doesn't? Really, that's new to me. Jeter is a clutch hitter and Tejada isn't? Where's the proof...

All in the games, my friend...

That's not fair to say. I really doubt you've seen every game Tejada has played. Unless you watch them both an equal amount of time, you are in no position to make a judgement with no stats to back it up.

I showed you stats, and I have seen a bunch of Tejada's games, because I go to Baltimore a lot, and the only games I see are Oriole games and I still say Jeter is better.
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TheHugeUnit,Aug 3 2006
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Why are hearign Jeters name in the running for MVP this year and not Tejadas?

You shouldn't be. Tejada is having a better year anyway. You have to understand that the people making up these rumors are Yankee fans...
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You shouldn't be. Tejada is having a better year anyway. You have to understand that the people making up these rumors are Yankee fans...

Umm its on Sports Center.... and how is tejada having a better year? because he is hitting about 10 more home-runs?
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TheBabe714,Aug 3 2006
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Web gems doesn't make a player defensively good. Truth is, everyone has some web gems. Range is the best thing to evaluate Short Stops on. His isn't bad, but he's no better than Miguel Tejada defensively. He's a totally overrated Short Stop.

"RF: Range Factor ((PO + A) * 9 divided by innings) ZR: Zone rating. The percentage of balls fielded by a player in his typical defensive "zone," as measured by STATS, Inc."

http://mlb.mlb.com/NASApp/mlb/mlb/stats/ml...3173&statType=1

Look at Tejada, they are just about the same. Then you include the web gems that Jeter makes and Tejada doesn't, then Jeter is the 2nd best clutch hitter in the game, and that is already enough to say Jeter is the best. Then, if you want to, you could say he is a better leader than Tejada.

Come on, that's typical Yankee fan. There's no evidence to back up that statement. Jeter makes web gems and Tejada doesn't? Really, that's new to me. Jeter is a clutch hitter and Tejada isn't? Where's the proof...

All in the games, my friend...

That's not fair to say. I really doubt you've seen every game Tejada has played. Unless you watch them both an equal amount of time, you are in no position to make a judgement with no stats to back it up.

I showed you stats, and I have seen a bunch of Tejada's games, because I go to Baltimore a lot, and the only games I see are Oriole games and I still say Jeter is better.

The stats you showed me are invalid. Errors? I know it's a lot to comprehend because it's new to you guys, but zone and range matter much more than errors do.

Think about it. Range and zone measure how much ground the players cover and how many balls the player get to compared to the normal SS zone. If you're not getting trhe balls you should be getting, that makes you a bad defensive SS, thus you have a a bad zone/range factor.
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You shouldn't be. Tejada is having a better year anyway. You have to understand that the people making up these rumors are Yankee fans...

Jeter=

.356 BA, 8 HRs, 67 RBIs, .926 OPS, 142 hits, 9 errors

Tejada=

.328 BA, 19 HRs, 77 RBIs, .894 OPS, 144 hits, 13 errors

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Umm its on Sports Center.... and how is tejada having a better year? because he is hitting about 10 more home-runs?

Sure. You tell my why Jeter is having a better year. He's hitting way over .300, has almost 20 homeruns, and 77 RBI on a BAD TEAM. He's also slugging .515. Maybe Jeter has a better batting average, but who cares? The OBP are almost the same, and he's slugging way less than Tejada. The only thing Jeter has to offer are stolen bases.
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144/439 75 19 77 4 .328
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what would you rather have?
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what would you rather have?

DEREK JETER!
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what would you rather have?

The first one.

Tell me why you think Jeter is having a better season?
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Ok, we'll go ahead and take this there.
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TheHugeUnit,Aug 3 2006
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Umm its on Sports Center.... and how is tejada having a better year? because he is hitting about 10 more home-runs?

SportsCenter is on ESPN.

If ESPN had a collective MVP ballot, it would go as follows..

1. Jeter
2. Giambi
3. Rodriguez
4. Mussina
5. Rivera

I think they actually employ someone in that office to remind them occasionally that other teams exist.
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RastaMongoose74,Aug 3 2006
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SportsCenter is on ESPN.

If ESPN had a collective MVP ballot, it would go as follows..

1. Jeter
2. Giambi
3. Rodriguez
4. Mussina
5. Rivera

I think they actually employ someone in that office to remind them occasionally that other teams exist.

ESPN likes the Red Sox more then the Yankees.
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