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Babe Ruth Dicussion
Topic Started: Aug 3 2006, 08:21 PM (356 Views)
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I'll go with Willie Mays.
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Padres' all-time win-loss racord and pct. (not including '06):
2693-3174 .459

You gotta reach .500 first before talking shit about the Dodgers. Oh, is that why their fans hate L.A.?
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detroittigerfan28,Aug 4 2006
12:52 PM
ha, i love that commercial :lol:

yeah, great commercial.... :P

It's hard to say who the greatest of all time was so hear me out on this:

Greatest arm- clemente (people just stopped trying to get extra bases on him)
Greatest average hitter- Ty Cobb
Greatest power hitter- ruth and mantle (he hit a ball that would have gone 700 ft if it hadnt hit the top of yankee stadium)
Greatest overall hitter- Ted Williams ("the best there ever was")
Greatest legs :lol: (speed)- Rickey Henderson and Lou Brock
Greatest fielder- Cecil... nah, I can't name a greatest fielder because there isn't really an accurate way to measure it (if you read Moneyball then you'll know what I'm talking aboot)

and I'm not gonna attempt to name the greatest pitcher of all time.
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Greatest pitcher is Nolan Ryan in my mind.
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Blindsided,Aug 4 2006
11:22 PM
Greatest pitcher is Nolan Ryan in my mind.

I agree with you, but you could also make an argument for Koufax
with his spectacular stretch in the 60s.
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Babe Ruth was a much better hitter overall than Ted Williams..

Babe has one of the highest BA's of all-time, and his OBP is almost unbelievable.

I don't understand why people just assume that he was a crappy ass hitter that just hit home runs.
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I don't understand why people just assume that he was a crappy ass hitter that just hit home runs.

Oh yea, thats all we think :rolleyes:

;)
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RastaMongoose74,Aug 4 2006
03:34 PM
Again, interesting.

Babe Ruth didn't hit MORE than 60 either.

;)

LOL u didnt get my point, I'm saying if Ty Cobb is better than Babe Ruth he should've hit more than 60 HRs which is how much Babe hit.
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RastaMongoose74,Aug 4 2006
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Again, interesting.

Babe Ruth didn't hit MORE than 60 either.

;)

LOL u didnt get my point, I'm saying if Ty Cobb is better than Babe Ruth he should've hit more than 60 HRs which is how much Babe hit.

:blink:
Than Mark Mcgwire and Barry Bonds are better than Babe Ruth.
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PAUL KONERKO 14,Aug 5 2006
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RastaMongoose74,Aug 4 2006
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Again, interesting.

Babe Ruth didn't hit MORE than 60 either.

;)

LOL u didnt get my point, I'm saying if Ty Cobb is better than Babe Ruth he should've hit more than 60 HRs which is how much Babe hit.

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Than Mark Mcgwire and Barry Bonds are better than Babe Ruth.

They used steroids, I'm talking about Cobb and Ruth here man :rolleyes:
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Cobb could have been a power hitter, he wanted to be a slap singles hitter. One time he said he was going to hit for power for 3 games, so he changed his stance and hit five home runs in the three games, then went back to normal.
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Some stat comparison on Ruth/Williams..


Ruth

Career:
.342/.474/.690, 714 HR, 2217 RBI, 2175 R, 2873 H, 2062 BB, 123 SB

162 Game Averages*:
46 HR, 143 RBI, 141 R, 186 H, 133 BB, 8 SB

* [size0]includes 1914-1918, when Ruth had over 140 AB's only once.


Williams

Career:
.344/.482/.634, 521 HR, 1839 RBI, 1798 R, 2654 H, 2021 BB, 24 SB

162 Game Averages:
37 HR, 130 RBI, 127 R, 188 H, 143 BB, 2 SB

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Ruth is clearly the better hitter. Sure, Ted has him in a few stats, but Ruth can't lead everything.

I see lists that are supposedly backed up with SABRmetrics - which are extremely difficult to accurately apply to the statistics of of players around before Bill James began to take stastistical analysis to a new level - that attempt to say that Cobb or Bonds is a better hitter than Ruth. Williams and Hornsby are also names thrown out there quite a bit.

To me, it's almost like the Jordan situation in basketball. It's seems like saying he's not the best of all-time is the cool thing to do, but there's no doubt that he is.


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whoever said that Nolan Ryan was the greatest pitcher ever needs to get their head examined. :rolleyes:
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RastaMongoose74,Aug 6 2006
01:06 PM
Some stat comparison on Ruth/Williams..


Ruth

Career:
.342/.474/.690, 714 HR, 2217 RBI, 2175 R, 2873 H, 2062 BB, 123 SB

162 Game Averages*:
46 HR, 143 RBI, 141 R, 186 H, 133 BB, 8 SB

* [size0]includes 1914-1918, when Ruth had over 140 AB's only once.


Williams

Career:
.344/.482/.634, 521 HR, 1839 RBI, 1798 R, 2654 H, 2021 BB, 24 SB

162 Game Averages:
37 HR, 130 RBI, 127 R, 188 H, 143 BB, 2 SB

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Ruth is clearly the better hitter. Sure, Ted has him in a few stats, but Ruth can't lead everything.

I see lists that are supposedly backed up with SABRmetrics - which are extremely difficult to accurately apply to the statistics of of players around before Bill James began to take stastistical analysis to a new level - that attempt to say that Cobb or Bonds is a better hitter than Ruth. Williams and Hornsby are also names thrown out there quite a bit.

To me, it's almost like the Jordan situation in basketball. It's seems like saying he's not the best of all-time is the cool thing to do, but there's no doubt that he is.

Don't forget that Ted Williams missed 5 years of his absolute prime to serve the American military.
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knuckleballer28,Aug 6 2006
06:59 PM
RastaMongoose74,Aug 6 2006
01:06 PM
Some stat comparison on Ruth/Williams..


Ruth

Career:
.342/.474/.690, 714 HR, 2217 RBI, 2175 R, 2873 H, 2062 BB, 123 SB

162 Game Averages*:
46 HR, 143 RBI, 141 R, 186 H, 133 BB, 8 SB

* [size0]includes 1914-1918, when Ruth had over 140 AB's only once.


Williams

Career:
.344/.482/.634, 521 HR, 1839 RBI, 1798 R, 2654 H, 2021 BB, 24 SB

162 Game Averages:
37 HR, 130 RBI, 127 R, 188 H, 143 BB, 2 SB

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Ruth is clearly the better hitter.  Sure, Ted has him in a few stats, but Ruth can't lead everything.

I see lists that are supposedly backed up with SABRmetrics - which are extremely difficult to accurately apply to the statistics of of players around before Bill James began to take stastistical analysis to a new level - that attempt to say that Cobb or Bonds is a better hitter than Ruth.  Williams and Hornsby are also names thrown out there quite a bit.

To me, it's almost like the Jordan situation in basketball.  It's seems like saying he's not the best of all-time is the cool thing to do, but there's no doubt that he is.

Don't forget that Ted Williams missed 5 years of his absolute prime to serve the American military.

And Babe Ruth was a pitcher for four years..

At least Williams' time away from the game didn't hurt his 162 game averages.

Ruth played in 2,503 games. Williams played in 2,292. Take Ruth's time as a pitcher into consideration and its fairly even.
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Babe Ruth Used a very Heavy bat even most major league players wouldnt use today.Even the great Mark McGwire said he wouldnt use Babes Bat.
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